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Caffeine Junkie
Alpha-Strike
Posted - 2008.07.08 02:18:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Ragnar Dannaskjold
Alrighty then... what skills would I need to properly fly a thorax?


Gunnery support skills 4
T2 med drones
Med Hybrid 4
Hull upgrades V (for EANM IIs)
MWD skills
Gallente Cruiser 4

Should get you started.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.07.08 02:28:00 - [32]
 


Thorax PvP absolute minimal skillset

Propulsion Jamming I
High Speed Maneuvering I
Med Hybrids I
Energy System Operation I
Weapon Upgrades I
Hull Upgrades III
Gallente Cruiser III


Of course, don't expect to live that long with just that... actually, expect to get popped almost as soon as you start combat.
The more support skills (gunnery, drones, engineering, electronics and navigation) you have and the higher these above are, the better.

lookingatme
Posted - 2008.07.08 03:08:00 - [33]
 

I remember a 1v1 with a guy who had 2 years on me in SP wise.. he plated his thorax and i had resists on mine (mainly setup to gank/tank...ish) but he had ECM drones and i had HH II's ..i won :). he also had light neutron blaster II's i had heavy neutron blaster II's.

Plate setup sucks.

Heknai
Gallente
Damage Unlimited Inc
AN EYE F0R AN EYE
Posted - 2008.07.11 14:07:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Arcon Telf
Originally by: Spineker
Second this this^




Third that. ---^


did someone already fourth this? if not .... fourth ---^

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2008.07.12 06:20:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Ragnar Dannaskjold
Alrighty then... what skills would I need to properly fly a thorax?


To "properly" fly a Gankerax (as opposed to the less-demanding Platerax, and as opposed to "being able to" fly a Gankerax), you'd want:

DRONES SKILLS
Combat drone operation IV
Drone durability IV
Drone interfacing IV
Drone navigation IV
Drone sharpshooting IV
Drones V
Electronic warfare drone interfacing IV
Gallente drone specialization IV
Minmatar drone specialization IV
Scout drone operation V

ELECTRONICS SKILLS
Electronic warfare IV
Electronics IV
Long range targeting IV
Propulsion jamming IV
Signature analysis IV

ENGINEERING SKILLS
Energy grid upgrades IV
Energy management V
Energy systems operation IV
Engineering V

GUNNERY SKILLS
Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV
Controlled Bursts IV
Gunnery V
Medium hybrid turret V
Medium blaster specialization IV
Motion prediction IV
Rapid firing IV
Sharpshooter IV
Surgical strike IV
Trajectory analysis IV
Weapon upgrades V

MECHANIC SKILLS
Hull upgrades IV
Mechanic IV
Repair systems IV

NAVIGATION SKILLS
Acceleration control IV
Afterburner IV
Evasive maneuvering IV
High speed maneuvering IV
Navigation IV
Warp drive operation IV

SCIENCE SKILLS
Cybernetics IV
Thermodynamics IV
Science IV

SPACESHIP COMMAND
Gallente cruiser IV
Spaceship command IV

These skills allow the ability to fly a fast, tough Thorax with guns and other appropriate modules at T2, deploying T2 scout and ECM drones to good effect, using a nice set of implants. I daresay few Thorax pilots actually have this skillset; by the time they have the support skills, they're already pushing themselves into some other ship class.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.07.12 07:02:00 - [36]
 

By you people's definition, it takes a year of training to properly fly a T1 frigate. Laughing

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2008.07.12 07:10:00 - [37]
 

why fly this when u can fly the drake?

van Uber
Swedish Aerospace Inc
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2008.07.12 07:32:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Gimpb
You could be effective in a blasterthron with BS 3, modest armor skills, and T1 blasters. You certainly don't need anything near BS 5 and T2 guns to make proper use of a BS.


Effective as in "my HAC outdamages your BS"? Sorry but t1 fit lowskill BS are just cannon fodder. Better stick with BC+t2 guns than BS+t1 guns.


Contrary to popular belief you do NOT have to fit T2 guns to pvp in a BS. You will lose a maximum of 8% dmg (but more likely 2-4%) and since you will only use factional ammo, that's about the only shortcoming. Considering the time it takes to train to T2 Blasters or Rails, you can spend that time and SP on far more critical aspects of skills, like being able to utilize a T2 Damage Control. When you have the skills to fit your preferred setup in T2 mods, then you can start training for those T2 guns.

Alex Tremayne
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.12 09:00:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
By you people's definition, it takes a year of training to properly fly a T1 frigate. Laughing


Yes. It does.

That does not however mean that low SP characters should not be flying them in the mean time. If you want into PvP in a frigate, you can fly a tackler on low skills and let's face it you're not going to kill much in a frigate these days anyway. You can make some reasonably impressive low SP PvP cruisers, picking on the 'Rax in this situation is kinda scewing the viewpoint as they are quite skill intensive to fly anyway. Low SP BS are another matter. The ability to use Null/Barrage/Scorch really changes things at BS level and if you're up against guys in BS who can use that ammo you'll be at a notable disadvantage. That's not to say you shouldn't fly BS with T1/named guns, just that you need to be aware of the problems.

Back to your point though, I remember about the time I'd finished training for T2 big guns and I was finally comfortable flying BS into fleet PvP, for the first time in ages, on a whim, I fitted up an Incursus for actual combat rather than as a glorified shuttle. My God it was awesome compared to what I remembered and that's what having all the support skills to 4 or 5 does for you. Ships you remember as being kinda mediocre are suddenly a completely different experience.

So yes it takes a year to be able to fly a frigate properly. Fly them anyway, and cruisers, and BS. As long as you know what you're getting yourself into then don't let others tell you what to fly.

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2008.07.12 10:15:00 - [40]
 

The last time I looked Megathrons cost 83 milion or if you build it yourself even less. The payout of a fully insured Megathron is 105 million. I knows this cause I just lost one. Even with my great battleship, gunnery, dronery and other support skills.

So I say to the OP if you can fly it, fit big guns, a large armour rep and a MWD then go for it. The only way to learn how to fly a ship is to actually fly it and with the death penaly so low just now the best time to learn is just now.

Nicolas Jaweai
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Posted - 2008.07.12 10:36:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Nicolas Jaweai on 12/07/2008 10:39:27
Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Skip the Megathron for a moment, get Gallente Cruiser V, nav skills and some drone skills, buy an Ishtar and join a 0.0 alliance.


First off, the guy who said this... You're funny, I actually had a good laugh at this. You just forgot Mechanic V, Weapon upgrades V, Spaceship Command V, Engineering V, and Assault Ships IV. That's not to mention if your going to fly an Ishtar you had better have some really good drone skills and Heavy Assault Ships to IV at the very least. That also Doesn't include the Hull Upgrades skills so you can fit a half way good tank, or the Navigation skills so you can use a MWD.

The best suggestion I can make is find you some friends or join EvE University for Pew Pew fun. Then you fit up an INEXPENSIVE frigate or cruiser and go have fun. EvE Uni will actually teach you skills you need in everyday EvE, everything from how to move as a fleet to how to make ISK by buying and selling things on the market.

They are usually under a war dec and if not usually take people into low sec to give them a taste of pew pew. So, getting in can be a timing thing, as they don't usually accept members while at war.

Trust what most of the people here are saying, you don't want to just hop in a Mega and go try to pew pew or as some people know it PvP. It will get very expensive very fast as you loose ship after ship. You don't need a ton of skills if your smart, but you need experience and smarts to survive. It is a lot cheaper to toss frigates and cruisers away while learning skills, both PvP tactics and actual skills.

As some would say, you need to learn to crawl before you can walk. You would be suprised at the amount of pirate corps or 0.0 alliances that will take you just as long as you can fly a frigate and have tackling skills.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.07.12 11:55:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Crumplecorn
I will always prefer my 1600mm Thorax, simply because it is lulzy how difficult it is to kill, and it is dirt cheap to fit.


only managed to see one of those in a 1v1 situation, and my harbinger just ripped it apart. he barely got into my armor. Twisted Evil
Of course it would lose to a tier 2 BC. But on the other hand, I once took on a small T1 gatecamp (frigates, cruisers) in one, and of course died, but took out one of their cruisers first. YMMV.

Gonada
The Scope
Posted - 2008.07.12 12:21:00 - [43]
 

fly what ever you want

but


only fly what you are prepared to loose.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.07.12 12:32:00 - [44]
 

I would at least make sure you got t2 tank before using mega in pvp. But what some people here tell is just plain ridiculous. If you go solo in thron imo t2 heavies are pointless, since you will be using hammers/warriors/ecm drones anyway.
And funny people telling you need long range targetting to lvl 4 to fly a gank thorax...

Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.13 00:14:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Gallente BS - at least 4
Large T2 guns - at least 4
All armor skills - 5
All cap skills - 5
All fitting skills - 5
T2 Heavy drones - at least 4
Skills for T2 MWD, cap injector, web and scram
Some other skills.



He said a megathron, not a tmepest.

you want all gunnery skills at 4/5 - caldari navy antimatter means GOOD named guns can do decent dps. Getting about 1mil in drone skills is a must, drone interfacing 4 and heavy drone op 4 for good damage from them. Hull upgrades 5 is a must however.

Most of these will give you a decent megathron setup - vet's in a mega can do sick things, but if you want a 5-6 month solution then go with the above.

DubanFP
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.07.13 00:21:00 - [46]
 

I agree. If you want to superplate a cruiser superplate the Rupture. 1600mm Plate with medium guns and 2x damage bonus? Hell yeah!

Artemis Lumi
Posted - 2008.07.13 01:05:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Artemis Lumi on 13/07/2008 01:17:01
Originally by: Ragnar Dannaskjold
I gave up on mining shortly after getting a procurer (lawl, skipped cruisers) because I realized:

1. Mining is incredibly boring
2. It would take months to be able to fly a coveter/hulk

So I rerolled Gallente so I could pirate/pvp/actually enjoy the game.

Evemon is showing that it would take 10ish days to actually be able to get in a thron, but what skills would I need to be able to fit/fly a blasterthron well?


I started flying a Mega as soon as i got Large Hybrid Turret 4 (modals), with some success... but i already had all gunnery support @ 5, T2 armor tank and maxed cap management skills. It got really nice when i got the T2 large guns, and now i'm working on T2 Heavy Drones.

My navigation skills still suck... and you don't need t2 web, just use the best named.

So... i'd recommend you at least get cap skills @ 4, t2 armor tank (mech / hull up 5 / rep 4 / compensations 3) and at least 3 million SP in gunnery and 1 million in drones.

Ah, and Gallente BS 3 is ok, 4 is better, 5 only if you're going to get to caps/marauders, tbh...

And Thermodynamics, being able to overload modules make a HUGE difference too...

Originally by: Ka Jolo
To "properly" fly a Gankerax (as opposed to the less-demanding Platerax, and as opposed to "being able to" fly a Gankerax), you'd want:


I have those skills and i still fly Thorax a lot. It's a damn good ship. But Vexor is better, imo.

Pteranodon
Caldari
Rekall Incorporated
Posted - 2008.07.14 15:30:00 - [48]
 

Some of you may know my feelings about players who want to rush into a battleship with low skills. That is good-more salvage to go around because if you pvp in one you will get owned-20 million skill points to fly a battlship with skills approaching good-anything less & you are going to have a hard time.

Lets look at your Hulk-it will probably take you 3 months of skilling up-particulary if you want to use deep core strip mining. I fly a hulk so I know this. Lets look at a Dominix-I've been training this for 9 months & i'm not even near where I want to be-I have nearly 5 million skill points in Drones alone for the Dominix & that is still not enough training. Don't rush your battleship training, chill & enjoy the ride because sometimes it is going to get rough & you need to be ready or you will be a pod combatant. Have fun.

Stakhanov
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2008.07.14 17:40:00 - [49]
 

T1 mega can do for everyday piracy , as damage dealers to kill mission runners or intercept juicy ships at gates. T2 tank is a priority if you want to use it in combat , you better train gunnery and armor skills a good bit. Then AWU and T2 guns.

At first , use a rax as your main hunting ship while you get your skills up , and mega as a dedicated damage dealer when you find a tanky target (drake , BS) but watch local threats. Once you have more isk , use a full T2 mega as your main ship.

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
Posted - 2008.07.14 18:35:00 - [50]
 

Hybrid specz @ 5
Armor skills @ 5
MWD skills @ 5
Drone specz @ 5

That's bout it reallyTwisted Evil

Kame Malice
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.07.16 04:41:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Xiaodown
HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


I think you may have mixed up the hi slots for the raven. XD

Boz Well
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.07.16 05:16:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: van Uber
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Gimpb
You could be effective in a blasterthron with BS 3, modest armor skills, and T1 blasters. You certainly don't need anything near BS 5 and T2 guns to make proper use of a BS.


Effective as in "my HAC outdamages your BS"? Sorry but t1 fit lowskill BS are just cannon fodder. Better stick with BC+t2 guns than BS+t1 guns.


Contrary to popular belief you do NOT have to fit T2 guns to pvp in a BS. You will lose a maximum of 8% dmg (but more likely 2-4%) and since you will only use factional ammo, that's about the only shortcoming. Considering the time it takes to train to T2 Blasters or Rails, you can spend that time and SP on far more critical aspects of skills, like being able to utilize a T2 Damage Control. When you have the skills to fit your preferred setup in T2 mods, then you can start training for those T2 guns.


It all depends. If you're using torps/pulse lasers/autocannons, then by not having t2 you lose out on your ability to deal damage at range (javelins/scorch/barrage). Matar pilots aren't saying train t2 for the 8% damage boost so much as they're saying train it so you can use barrage. The same applies for the others. Although some forms of t2 ammo are all but useless, others are practically a necessity. Not to mention it's more than 8% damage bonus. Assuming you're at large energy turret 4, going to t2 gives 8% rof from spec and 5% damage from LET 5. And if you already have large turrets to 5, you can just train t2 guns easily enough. Razz But at least imho, the main advantage for at least a lot of the guns is the ability to use t2 ammo.


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