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WiseJoeyD
Posted - 2008.07.03 15:59:00 - [1]
 

Minmatar is a pretty cool guy, he blobs all day and doesn't afraid of anything.

./discuss

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 18:18:20
When the people who are running the militia finally learn that it's stupid forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice, maybe then some people will join.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:39:00 - [3]
 

At least it wasn't me who completely missed it this time.

WiseJoeyD
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:50:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join.


oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO!

vent / TS > eve voice.

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:52:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 16:53:09
Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 16:52:36
Originally by: WiseJoeyD
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join.


oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO!

vent / TS > eve voice.


Actually, I'm not feeding the troll.

WiseJoeyD
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:59:00 - [6]
 

Whether or not im a troll doesn't matter, the point is amarr have turned into the underdogs, our numbers cannot match the minmatar blobs that are constantly on patrol.

we have the highest VP per pilot than any other faction though (which means jack when the real objective is system sovereignty).

Winters Chill
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.07.03 16:59:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Winters Chill on 03/07/2008 17:00:32

Originally by: WiseJoeyD
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join.


oh noes, we have to download something to help coordinate better!?!?! AHHH IT'S TOO HARD TO DO!

vent / TS > eve voice.



Ohh noes I'll have to use eve voice!!!! I can't!!! Imma scared of change waahhhh.

Seriously though, you would think when asking some players to click "join audio" so hard you had asked them to finish thier brussle sprouts or they won't get pudding. You can practically see them try to hold back the bile.

And if your really lucky they go on a massive monolog about why eve voice "sucks". The best one is it can't be used at downtime, at which point I look at the handy eve clock and see downtime is 14 hours away...

I've literally seen people lie about eve voice because they are so terrified of change.

"doesn't work...I have vent though"
"yes lets get 30 people to download vent because you turn your nose up at adaquate ingame voice program..."

Eve voice is perfect for faction warfare. Don't like it, leave and join a proper alliance and use a proper voice program I'm sure you'll get a few boyfriends that way.

Edit: I however will happily feed the troll, here trolly trolly.


Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:06:00 - [8]
 

eve vice is the pwn in FW...

ppl dont have to set up vent or TS and it works perfect (as much as i have used it)

+ you can set it up to show who is speaking or spoke last... so no confusion :)

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:10:00 - [9]
 

I love vent, however I also find eve-voice rather easy to use and PERFECT for FW fleets. If you make your people go OOG and install a third party ap over right clicking and hitting "join audio", no wonder you're getting creamed. Nobody wants to waste time doing that stuff, use the in game voice, it's easier, works with broadcast windows, and everyone already should have it.

Gharr Rhinn
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:15:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Riho
eve vice is the pwn in FW...

ppl dont have to set up vent or TS and it works perfect (as much as i have used it)

+ you can set it up to show who is speaking or spoke last... so no confusion :)


Indeed, Eve voice is awesome for FW. In the time it would take to get an entire fleet onto Vent or TS, you could already have a fleet up and talking with Eve Voice.

Plus it just seems more secure, then giving a bunch of ransom people access to your vent/ts server. Not to mention the integration into the UI. Pretty slick. The sound quality is pretty impressive as well.

JonnyKay
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:15:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: JonnyKay on 03/07/2008 17:18:23
gotta love the hijack on this thread. its gone from the OP stating that minny severely outnumber amarr to discussing which voice programs to use. The 2nd poster claims that amarr have literally half the number of pilots that minny have because of the choice of voice program used in most fleets?
10/10 for hijack

I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? ;S But yeh, eve voice is suprisingly good.

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:18:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 17:18:07
Originally by: JonnyKay
gotta love the hijack on this thread. its gone from the OP stating that minny severely outnumber amarr to discussing which voice programs to use. The 2nd poster claims that amarr have literally half the number of pilots that minny have because of the choice of voice program used in most fleets?
10/10 for hijack

I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i quite frankly wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame? ;S


Recheck my post I never even mentioned a number let alone half. While you're right it was a slight derailment, it's one of the reasons why Amarr can't get their act together. It's the main reason why I left.

Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:20:00 - [13]
 

Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also.

And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it.

Hud

JonnyKay
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:21:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: JonnyKay on 03/07/2008 17:22:11
(to Slanty McGarglefist) - sorry, i may have put a few words into ur mouth, but im sure we both know amarr have half the number of minny.

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:23:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Slanty McGarglefist on 03/07/2008 17:23:12
Originally by: JonnyKay
(to Slanty McGarglefist) - sorry, i may have put a few words into ur mouth, but im sure we both know amarr have half the number of minny.


It's okay, not a problem. 300 was typically the norm that was online at any given time. Not sure if that means anything overall though as I haven't joined the other factions.

Hurtado Soneka
Caldari
Vindicare Temple
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:32:00 - [16]
 

so this is basically about you leaving your FW brothers to certain doom because your too cowardly to fight on in the face of superior numbers and cant adapt to a new voice program?

evolution = adapt or be extinct, damn some people dont even make it to the front lines before being dropped Laughing

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:36:00 - [17]
 

I hope Amarr get what they deserve for trying to ram a certain playstyle down all the other players' throats... No one likes being told what to do, especially not in a videogame. I doubt anyone who lives in empire and loves the freedom of an NPC corp is going to give a **** about your orders.

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:44:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Asuka Smith
I hope Amarr get what they deserve for trying to ram a certain playstyle down all the other players' throats... No one likes being told what to do, especially not in a videogame. I doubt anyone who lives in empire and loves the freedom of an NPC corp is going to give a **** about your orders.


That's fine, totally fine. If they dont wanna Join in, it's up to them. What else would they do though? Fly around blindly, getting ganked at every turn? Sounds awesome yeh

Karok Vilneram
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:47:00 - [19]
 

The Amarr militia that keep trying to defend TS/Vent, and force people to use it, and then wonder why no one joins them, reminds me of the felon that keeps breaking the law and trying to figure out how he keeps ending up in jail.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
When the people who are running the militia finally learn that forcing people to use Vent or TS instead of EVE-Voice is stupid, maybe then some people will join.

OMG no kidding! The Amarr people refuse to use EVE-voice. Half the fleet can't talk to one another, no wonder they're losing so bad.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Andraine
Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also.

And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it.

Hud


I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets.

Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ?

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:51:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Karok Vilneram
The Amarr militia that keep trying to defend TS/Vent, and force people to use it, and then wonder why no one joins them, reminds me of the felon that keeps breaking the law and trying to figure out how he keeps ending up in jail.


You can't "force" anyone to do anything. Tbh we get very good sized gangs in TS, and it's been effective. It's also good for the, god fobid, "social" side of the game.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: JonnyKay
I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame?

They are speaking up in-game. You're not listening though, because you're using third party out-of-game voice chat.

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:56:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Andraine
Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also.

And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it.

Hud



I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets.

Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ?


Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. Laughing if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it.

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 17:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: JonnyKay
I dont hear anyone complaining in militia chat or fleets about the use of vent or ts, and i wasn't aware of any problem. Mayby people should speak up more ingame?

They are speaking up in-game. You're not listening though, because you're using third party out-of-game voice chat.


Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go!

Slanty McGarglefist
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:07:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Hudsonn
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Andraine
Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also.

And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it.

Hud



I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets.

Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ?


Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. Laughing if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it.


Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:13:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Hudsonn
Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go!

That's because they got sick of the militia and quit.
Amarr militia has a problem of too many would-be emperors and too few team players. Half the players in any fleet declare themselves fleet commander and they all insist that you use their personal TS or Vent server. Do the other militias have this problem?

Karok Vilneram
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:16:00 - [28]
 

I use Vent when I was in a corp.

It is awesome and I love it. But it was an organized group of people that are pretty much the same most of the time. Not a rag tag group of people that you have to get to DL a program and install it and then give them the server info and password and then the possibility they could be a spy.

I use Voice in FW and its awesome I love it. Plus I like how it tells me who is speaking right in game. It has a lot of great functinoality and it SUPER easy to get ANYONE in on your chat. And it is more secure as you don't have to tell anyone your vent password.

Just realize that Voice is the choice for FW fleets.

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:36:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Originally by: Hudsonn
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Originally by: Andraine
Eve voice sucks bad and totally works different on everyone's clients. It crashes a lot of peoples EVE, plus if you do crash for what ever reason, you're totally cut off from your gang. At least on TS you're still on comms if the client crashes. TS/vent gangs probably cut down on spies also.

And as for "you don't need comms".... LOL yeh right....ok....but understand that 99% of those compitant gang pvpers wont be in your gangs without comms. It doesn't even take much effort, so try it.

Hud



I suggest these people send in petitions then; I've had nothing but success with EVE Voice, especially in some large minnie FW fleets.

Perhaps people should try it again after this weeks Patch ?


Yup, there has been petitions. Doesn't matter anyway tbh, TS/vent is superior is other ways as well. it's not really a big deal, i dunno why people get so upset about it. Laughing if you dont wanna use TS, don't use TS. Simple. Don't cry about it.


Well it kinda is a big deal in a way since if you split up the militia, you're effectively crippling your strategies.


That's pretty much rubbish as half the militia dont know what their doing anyway.

Hudsonn
Point Blank.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.07.03 18:43:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Hudsonn
Nope, its seems they complain about it on the forum instead. Way to go!

That's because they got sick of the militia and quit.
Amarr militia has a problem of too many would-be emperors and too few team players. Half the players in any fleet declare themselves fleet commander and they all insist that you use their personal TS or Vent server. Do the other militias have this problem?


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Someone needs to step and lead gangs, people who know hat they're doing. If everyone was running around doing what they wanted, the amarr milita would be a lot worse than it is now. It just so happens, these people who know what they're doing (how to organize and move fleets , tactics etc) some from experienced player bases where the common form of comms is TS/Vent servers.

There's no one person in charge of these milita's, but you have to be as organized as possible.......even more so becasue amarr have the smallest milita.


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