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KIAInkZ
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:09:00 - [61]
 

OK, couple of things here, and I've got a couple of statements from CDI.

[CDI]Conmen is not a director in CDI and his converstion with Red Paladins was not backed by the CEO's of CDI. He is currently taking a leave of absense from the game, and is still being dealt with internally.

CDI would never demand ISK to mine and are not a pirate organisation. I have been asked by CDI directors to make it known that if a CDI member has demanded ISK for mining then please submit evidence of this to the corporation and the culprit will be expelled from CDI and the PA. This behavior is not condoned by the PA or CDI, and it is highley unacceptable.

As for the FU/PA stuff, there's nothing really to say on that, it's all being sorted and is a MASSIVE misunderstanding that we have appologised for repeatedly and are working tirelessly to make things right.

I cannot stress enough that the PA is a strictly anti pirate organisation who do a lot of work making space lanes safer in our regions and others for the people of EVE. The many good things that our organisation does seems to get shadowed by a single incident.

We have a lot of members and make sure we deal with people appropriately. However, being a large organisation we can't solve things instantly and ask for people's patience whilst we try and find out what is going on, and gather evidence and information.

I am concerned this is turning into a witch hunt, and request that people listen to all facts before making their minds up about things.

CDI directors don't read or post on these forums, hence information travels slowely between them and here.

I'm not claiming wrong doing hasn't been done, but please wait for facts before accusing an entire corporation or alliance for the actions of one or two people out of hundreds.

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:23:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/05/2004 19:39:41
Inkz: just contact me for a copy instead of me spamming the forums with it.

Sun Ra
Minmatar
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:31:00 - [63]
 

Comon Inkz they aint gonna just come out and say they demanded 15mil for mining

olyyy
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:43:00 - [64]
 

Hell, finaly some forum war with something different than CA Wink

I love the mp3 btw Laughing

Marichek
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:45:00 - [65]
 

DBP...you had the log posted, but edited it out! plz put it back!Very Happy


DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2004.05.18 19:49:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/05/2004 19:50:25
Originally by: Marichek
DBP...you had the log posted, but edited it out! plz put it back!Very Happy




No can do, I was asked to remove it by request of the corporation in question.

It will be passed to Inkzy if he asks for it in-game instead.

dbp

Shia Dai
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.05.18 20:07:00 - [67]
 

My only question here is why does Fade Union continue to eat PA cAKe? I don't get it . . . there is overwhelming evidence of piracy on the PA's behalf, SIX Fade capital ships were destroyed, and yet the PA continues to take what the PA chooses to give it, and swallow willingly.

When is the Fade Union gonna grow some nads and declare yourselves free from being the lapdog of PA? Fade has come a long way since we subjected you to imperialistic rule. You are strong now, yet you still bow to the whims and wishes of the Phoenix Alliance.

It's time for the Fade Union to take sides in this affair, you can't have it both ways. Either join up with the "good guys," i.e., Jericho and RKK, or join the Dark Side with us pirates and the Phoenix Alliance, at which point you should be shooting at them anyway Twisted Evil.

Oh ya and referencing my previous topic on alignments, I think clearly and undeniably the Phoenix Alliance have shown themselves to be neutral-evil. They don't care if they operate in or outside of the law, and their only care is what benefits them.

One last comment,

For those of you who say "oh but don't blame us for the actions of only ONE of our alliance mates!" What do you think people would say if New York State tried to distance itself and disclaim responsibility for the actions of the U.S.? Just an example. You are all responsible for your fellow alliance members' conduct, especially so where your leadership refuses to take measures designed to prevent/correct it.

Shia

KIAInkZ
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.05.18 20:07:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: KIAInkZ on 18/05/2004 20:09:07
Yes, please pass to me in game.

Shar Gath
Caldari
VVS Corporition
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.05.18 21:52:00 - [69]
 

ppl, I really dont understand why any of PA members even bother to read any of those forums, this thread or another, not to mention writing anything in here. Maybe this is entertaining but only once or twice... Let those funny ppl spend their lives on teh forums, there is nothing they can do in game anyways. This is just incredible how you all hate PA just beacouse you can do nothing about it Laughing But this is rather a 5 year old kid attitude.....

Blacklight
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.05.18 21:57:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Shar Gath
This is just incredible how you all hate PA just beacouse you can do nothing about it Laughing But this is rather a 5 year old kid attitude.....


Shocked

No comment needed.


crice
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:17:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Shar Gath
ppl, I really dont understand why any of PA members even bother to read any of those forums, this thread or another, not to mention writing anything in here. Maybe this is entertaining but only once or twice... Let those funny ppl spend their lives on teh forums, there is nothing they can do in game anyways. This is just incredible how you all hate PA just beacouse you can do nothing about it Laughing But this is rather a 5 year old kid attitude.....


So your speaking for the PA? Please confirm.

Notferr
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:20:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Notferr
I am forming the I HATE ALL POLITICS - ALL LAWYERS AND WEASELS MUST DIE Corp. Our ticker will be IHAP-ALAWMD.

The office of CEO will be determined buy who can get the drunkest fastest, and who can sing the best version of the 'Men in Tights' theme song while drunk.

Also, all pilots will be forced to fly Bestowers unless you are that week's CEO, in which case you can drive an Ibis.

Taxes are 100% and is used to buy homeless people we can beat into bloody pulps at our discression.

Who wants in?


Crice, you in?

Klydor
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:23:00 - [73]
 

Whats next, are you going to start monitoring eve players phone calls to get even more records to post to cause flame fests on the forums? Despite not caring what happens with the two alliances in question, I think its a bit low to record meetings without at least getting all their permissions.

It reminds me of the time a certain person hacked into a certain corps website in order to get personal details which they then posted everywhere. That was just as low.

PS I havn't listened to the convo and have no intrest in doing so. Alliances bore me.

crice
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:26:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Notferr
Originally by: Notferr
I am forming the I HATE ALL POLITICS - ALL LAWYERS AND WEASELS MUST DIE Corp. Our ticker will be IHAP-ALAWMD.

The office of CEO will be determined buy who can get the drunkest fastest, and who can sing the best version of the 'Men in Tights' theme song while drunk.

Also, all pilots will be forced to fly Bestowers unless you are that week's CEO, in which case you can drive an Ibis.

Taxes are 100% and is used to buy homeless people we can beat into bloody pulps at our discression.

Who wants in?


Crice, you in?


I hate politics! I don't jump on bandwagons though. I have many "friends" in the PA.

Notferr
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:27:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: crice
Originally by: Notferr
Originally by: Notferr
I am forming the I HATE ALL POLITICS - ALL LAWYERS AND WEASELS MUST DIE Corp. Our ticker will be IHAP-ALAWMD.

The office of CEO will be determined buy who can get the drunkest fastest, and who can sing the best version of the 'Men in Tights' theme song while drunk.

Also, all pilots will be forced to fly Bestowers unless you are that week's CEO, in which case you can drive an Ibis.

Taxes are 100% and is used to buy homeless people we can beat into bloody pulps at our discression.

Who wants in?


Crice, you in?


I hate politics! I don't jump on bandwagons though. I have many "friends" in the PA.


DAMNIT! We needed a Bestower fleet commander!

Halseth
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:29:00 - [76]
 

This matter and its subsequent sources are now being dealt with from within the Phoenix Alliance. I must now humbly ask for the galaxies patience and restraint with their opinions until final words on this are distributed by myself.



And yes I am back, and not very happy about it. Evil or Very Mad

crice
Caldari
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2004.05.18 22:32:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Halseth
This matter and its subsequent sources are now being dealt with from within the Phoenix Alliance. I must now humbly ask for the galaxies patience and restraint with their opinions until final words on this are distributed by myself.



And yes I am back, and not very happy about it. Evil or Very Mad


Thank you Halseth. Welcome back.

Shia Dai
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.05.18 23:05:00 - [78]
 

Sounds to me like good journalism buddy.

Propehcy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.05.19 00:31:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: KiaInkz
This behavior is not condoned by the PA or CDI, and it is highley unacceptable.


WTF does that mean? You're anti-pirate, but don't condone piracy? Which is it?


Aerick Dawn
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2004.05.19 00:35:00 - [80]
 

John Kerry? :)

Propehcy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2004.05.19 00:43:00 - [81]
 

LOL


Darken Two
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.05.19 02:00:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Propehcy


WTF does that mean? You're anti-pirate, but don't condone piracy? Which is it?




Huh? WTF does that mean?

Gothic Beauty
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.05.19 02:08:00 - [83]
 

Are u all nuts?

Editing a chatlog is so simple, hell, its only a .txt file, everybody could do that.

Not to accuse anybody here of faking truths, but why in general are chatlogs in the forums here considered as a proof?

Sorry, i dont get it...

Reassor
Gallente
The Wolf Brigade
Posted - 2004.05.19 03:17:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Gothic Beauty
Are u all nuts?

Editing a chatlog is so simple, hell, its only a .txt file, everybody could do that.

Not to accuse anybody here of faking truths, but why in general are chatlogs in the forums here considered as a proof?

Sorry, i dont get it...


yeah and thats a good point:P
i can make chat log where DBP are askin for 15mil per day for mining in tribute .... thats not hard to make:P

Shia Dai
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.05.19 05:01:00 - [85]
 

If I understand correctly, its the way in which Cao Cao produced the chat log that speaks to its authenticity. Far as I know he didn't even know it had been saved until Tbone from Rev0l explained to him how to go and fetch it since it auto-saves. He then within minutes emailed it over.

Also if you just look at it, you can tell it isn't faked. It's pretty easy to spot a faked conversation.

Shia

Reassor
Gallente
The Wolf Brigade
Posted - 2004.05.19 05:13:00 - [86]
 

im not sayng that sum1 make a fake chatlog im only sayn that chatlog isnt good as a evidence:P

Grimster
Minmatar
Reikoku
Posted - 2004.05.19 09:12:00 - [87]
 

Then I guess the people concerned will be contacted for verification rather than just relying on a chatlog.

Let's just leave things in the hands of the PA, I'm sure justice (depending on the findings) will be carried out.


Artegg
Gallente
Operation Ferocious Lemming
Posted - 2004.05.19 10:17:00 - [88]
 

What i don't understand is that people can not see that Conmen is not a director of CDI, he does not speak for CDI blah blah blah. Surely that is enough for people to realise that this was not a CDI action. If the chat log had been involving SHARK or Krullz then it would have meant something but as it did not it is totally worthless.

As DBP said i had a chat log of him saying they would attack RONA for isk. Do I really think they would NO (even if i did start the convo with DBP can i ask you a serious question what ........)

Some chat in this game need to be taken with a pinch of salt na forget that a lorry load of salt. This post is all about the enemies of the PA trying to destroy them from the inside because they can not do it anyother way. This makes Artegg SadCrying or Very sad

Also as inkz said the CDI leadership do not post on the forums or even read them, guess what they play the game not the forums and i think a lot of people posting in this thread could and should take a leaf out of their books

Artegg Out

Grimster
Minmatar
Reikoku
Posted - 2004.05.19 10:53:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Grimster on 19/05/2004 10:57:03
Originally by: Artegg
What i don't understand is that people can not see that Conmen is not a director of CDI, he does not speak for CDI blah blah blah. Surely that is enough for people to realise that this was not a CDI action. If the chat log had been involving SHARK or Krullz then it would have meant something but as it did not it is totally worthless.


Yup, but the thing is the contract was taken up by a 3rd party and hostilities were initiated by them, monies for mining also collected, that's like DBP saying to me:

"Get your buddies in MF to attack >insert corporation here< but it's nothing to do with us if anyone asks"

Regardless of whether the person in question is the leadership of the corp or not, that person is still representing the corporation, the same as a corporation is a representative of an alliance.

If they had any sense they would have done it through an alt or OOG and left CDI out of it.
I mean who in their right minds would be so unsubtle as to associate his own corporation with this kind of mess without a. wishing harm to his own corp or b. having the backing of the corp leadership?

Quote:

Some chat in this game need to be taken with a pinch of salt na forget that a lorry load of salt. This post is all about the enemies of the PA trying to destroy them from the inside because they can not do it anyother way. This makes Artegg SadCrying or Very sad



I would agree, this is a sad situation, but IMHO the PA leadership needs to quickly jump on "suspected problems", and if wrongdoing is discovered take appropriate action in order to maintain the credibility I'm sure they deserve.

Quote:

Also as inkz said the CDI leadership do not post on the forums or even read them, guess what they play the game not the forums and i think a lot of people posting in this thread could and should take a leaf out of their books



Only usually read/post when at work and can't play due to damned firewall.Evil or Very Mad Play plenty when at home though, and let's face it the forums are the best way of finding out what's going on in EvE with just a little filtering. Wink

Toodle Pip

Notferr
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2004.05.19 12:43:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Aerick Dawn
John Kerry? :)


ROTFLMAOLOL

Laughing


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