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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 15:37:00 - [1]
 

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Election booths opened today across the Republic as citizens began to vote for their new parliament and prime minister. With all the tribal parties rallying behind Maleatu Shakor's bid for premiership, the outcome seems foretold. This has not dimmed the resolve of the populace to go out and vote, with vast numbers already queueing up at public voting booths to show their support.

No opponents have stepped forward to run against Shakor, making this the first uncontested election in the history of the Minmatar Republic. Public support for the lone candidate is high, although dissenting voices have been heard from several democracy activist groups, who have been vocal in their opposition to the arrangement.

"It's ridiculous," said Sastia Langon, spokesperson for the Minmatar Process League. "It's a subversion of all that we've been laboring to build in this great nation. It's a step backwards for everyone. Who's to say there aren't opponents willing to step up? Who's to say they haven't been intimidated into not running?"

Langon's comments, as with all other public commentary on the issue, have gone entirely unheeded by the extant power structures within the Republic as they gear up for what appears to be not only a regime change but, in the words of one analyst, "a complete restructuring of the government, from the ground up."

Signs and banners are visible everywhere, carrying slogans of support for Shakor. Rallies and spontaneous celebrations have been commonplace in all of the Republic's largest cities ever since liberated Minmatar began to pour into the spaceports.

"There's a mixture of jubilance and hope now," said assembly technician Arnatt Kimkar, who yesterday was reunited with his twenty-two year old son Markus after eleven years apart. "For the first time, it feels like something could happen. You know, something real."


Minmatar brethren!

In the past I have fully supported the democratic tenets of the Republic! But now we are being usurped by a military dictatorship. The days of choosing your own way and voicing your own opinion is coming to an end soon within our great republic. Are you going to stand behind this pupput, Maleatu Shakor? Or are you going to embrace your own destiny, your own freedom, your own future!

I call this election a travesty, a sham, a shameful act of tyranny. We will seal our doom with smiles on our faces! Why? I ask you, Why? How long before our discourse is banned. How long before the power corrupts. Or is the corrupt claiming the power?

I hope that this change that is being forced upon us is for the better but I must be conscientious in my upholding of my core values. Those values can not support a change of government of the magnitude, scope and inherent meaning of the kind being propagated upon this great republic of our race and by our own leaders.

They have betrayed the values upon which we have rebuilt our lives, honor and core fundamental precepts of what is good, right and just. Our ancestors did not throw off the yoke of slavery so that we, their children, could take that same yoke upon our shoulders by misguided and misrepresented choice!

Nay, I say they surly did not. There would be weeping and gnashing of teeth by our mothers mothers and our fathers fathers should they of lived to seen this day. The struggle to throw off this new yoke of servitude and injustice will be long fought and hard won, but I say to you! It shall be fought, it shall be won.

I shall not raise my fist at my brethren except it be the fist of just dissent... I shall not raise my voice against my brethren except it be the voice of reason... I shall not raise my will against my brethren except it be the will of truth.

My fist and my voice and my will shall ever strive for the freedom of the minmatar.

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 15:38:00 - [2]
 

It is a sad day. This day I must turn my back on the Republic.. this day I must proclaim my opposition to the holders of power and the system that is allowing this dictatorship to come to power.

I throw off my chains... I throw off my loyalty and proclaim myself a free agent. I am MINMATAR! and I WILL BE FREE!

Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2008.06.25 15:47:00 - [3]
 

Sky Grunthor, you are mistaken in so many ways.

Do you not remember the last throes of the democratic republic you so praise? Hit squads, detention without trial and suppression of core Minmatar cultural expressions. All in the name of appeasement of the Amarr.

The Elders have returned. We are back on the true path of our people. Celebrate.

MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.25 15:53:00 - [4]
 

I've never supported any government per say, no politician is to be trusted. With this said, my allegiances will remain steadfast. I fight today for the freedom of my people, and not for the advancement of any bureaucrats agenda. On another note, I must lament it's pleasant to be able to engage all the amarrians I please at will, without stargate and station turrets firing on me. It's really opened up my arsenal. YARRRR!!

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:03:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Kade Jeekin
Sky Grunthor, you are mistaken in so many ways.

Do you not remember the last throes of the democratic republic you so praise? Hit squads, detention without trial and suppression of core Minmatar cultural expressions. All in the name of appeasement of the Amarr.

The Elders have returned. We are back on the true path of our people. Celebrate.


You cite terrible travesties to justice and freedom. But I ask you does one injustice, does a thousand, does a million injustices make a different and new injustice now right?

It does not!

We will see how this falls out as the days and weeks go by. We will see if our new leader will maintain democracy, we will see if he rejects it. But I say I stand apart. I will voice my concerns. I will voice my dissent. For freedom is to be held sacrosanct even at the cost of our lives.

The only yoke of slavery that I will submit to is the slavery to the responsibilities of freedom. The only authority I will acknowledge is the authority of a freely chosen government. And that is the crux of the matter. There is no choice when there is no choices.

I am Minmatar. I am free!

Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kade Jeekin
The Elders have returned. We are back on the true path of our people. Celebrate.


Hahaha. Yes, mindless death and destruction.

A wonderful path, not surprising the uncivilized filth from U'K would agree with it.


Jasperus Dolorosa
Amarr
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:10:00 - [7]
 

This is hilarious. The Minmatar start a war that will cost more innocent lives than wretched. As if you didn't free yourself enough, you had to declare war, once again, to "free your people". Who is to say they are your people? Some slaves in the Amarrian Empire simply lack the intelligence to choose what is right for them. Some still are happy with their conditions, others simply better kept enslaved than to be let loose in this three-ring circus that has turned into a hate-driven dictatorship.

Oh no, maybe it hasn't turned into a dictatorship quite yet. But you are seeing what is happening here. Voting for ONE candidate! HAH! This is inept. And as if we are to believe no other candidate would come forth with the guts to grasp their chance to serve the people... How low that brings the Minmatar ideals. As if they broke away from the Amarrians for a reason. I guess not. They decide their own fate. This is a sinking ship, and any Minmatar in their right minds will bail.


Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:16:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 25/06/2008 16:16:32
Sky Grunthor, I understand and respect your misgivings. I also believe that you are wrong again. The democratic republic is not yet disposed of. That the other tribes choose not to field candidates, in the current democratic election, is their own decision.

Your posts reek of alarmist nonsense. If you can back them up with facts then please do so.

A Tribal republic is truer to our soul than the democratic one ever was.

Edit: paragraphs

MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:31:00 - [9]
 

Jasperus, I really would like to know why anyone would bail when we have such great opportunities to shoot at lunatic slavers -who are convinced that enslaving the minmatar people is just- like you.

Jasperus Dolorosa
Amarr
Posted - 2008.06.25 16:52:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: MirrorGod
Jasperus, I really would like to know why anyone would bail when we have such great opportunities to shoot at lunatic slavers -who are convinced that enslaving the minmatar people is just- like you.


It is only going to get worse. Things are going to get blown out of proportion. Admiral Noir had freedom, and he used it to decimate defenseless beings as rememberance of his deeds. Such as your elders are free, and they go and start a universal war that will only serve, as I have mentioned, to end more innocent lives than anything else.

Freeing your people. You are freeing people that will most likely starve from having no money, no shelter, no real governance besides martial law. It is inevitable with the feeble minds they have, they will make brigand groups that pillage because of the fact that they aren't being given their neccessary needs. Even if you plan to give them aid packages, I doubt it will help at all because of your huge war debt you will have to pay off. Not to mention, the inflation will crash to market.

It just isn't worth it. And when I mean bail, why don't you go help your Gallente brethren fight for what is theirs against that war profiteer Heth, or whatever that fool's name is.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.25 17:19:00 - [11]
 

Sky Grunthor, I too am worried about these developments.

I would encourage you to remember though that the Republic is not an entity that exists on its own right, but rather it is a union of the four tribes, and that it is the chiefs of these tribes that have decided to shape the election the way it has been.


Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 17:54:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 25/06/2008 19:56:31
Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 25/06/2008 19:55:46
Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 25/06/2008 17:56:02
Originally by: Kade Jeekin
Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 25/06/2008 16:16:32
Sky Grunthor, I understand and respect your misgivings. I also believe that you are wrong again. The democratic republic is not yet disposed of. That the other tribes choose not to field candidates, in the current democratic election, is their own decision.

Your posts reek of alarmist nonsense. If you can back them up with facts then please do so.

A Tribal republic is truer to our soul than the democratic one ever was.

Edit: paragraphs


Alarmist... yes I fully agree it is alarmist. What other drastic words and spoken thoughts would fully express the concern and worry that plagues me with this change of governance?

A new leader has been chosen... the halls of government are being cleansed and rebuilt... the old guard has been thrown forcibly into the abyss and yet the new guard, has not declared her intentions, her goals, her ideals beyond the trite and triffle of a news broadcast. Why hide what is transpiring in our capitals halls and chambers? Why not disclose the makeup of the government that is to come?

Is this the shouts of a woman who sees a conspiracy behind every move? No... but rather it is an alarm to the lack of communication, to the secrecy, to the shroud that is happening in our government halls!

Freedom does not survive in that environment. Of course I speak alarmist words... there is an alarm to be sounded. Until such time, as said before I am a free agent who will strive for freedom above my loyalties. I will not take up arms against my brethren but I will not stand by without raising my voice in dissent and alarm.

To those Ammar who dine to interject themselves in a Minmatar matter. Your words are like water to me. For they swell my spirit and provide the sustenance of truth that you surround yourself in evil ideals. No man, no woman is ever not free. Though bound by servitude to you their deserves are freedom and choice. You and your Caldari friends who support your evil empire shall fall from within as all evil empires fall. For evil is destroyed from within and it destroys utterly.

It is right and just to war with you at any time while you still hold any man, woman or child in slaveries yoke. And so again we have taken up arms, we have again begun pursuing the justice that our brethren in servitude deserve.

I am Minmatar. I am free!

* fixed the gender reference. Thank you for the correction

Redbad
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.06.25 19:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Redbad on 25/06/2008 19:51:02
Sky, make it a Blanco Vote if you don't like it.

I for one fully support the Tribes decision to not put anyone against Shakor. Midular did well to publically call Shakor back and make a statement by not running against him. After what Shakor put in motion with freeing millions of people she showed, in my opinion, great responsibility to our people. Basically she is saying: These actions have changed the functionality of the Republic so greatly that "her" Republic is no more. Shakor should finish what he started and make "his" Republic into "ours" again.

She is a very smart politician and should not be underestimated.

RB

((edit: spellz))


Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.06.25 19:50:00 - [14]
 

This current election is only for a figurehead for the Republic. The power is held by the Tribal leadership and nothing is going to change that.

Shakor exists only to publicly fall on his sword should anything go wrong. Think of him as the Public Relations department for the Republic.

Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.25 21:00:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Pwett
This current election is only for a figurehead for the Republic. The power is held by the Tribal leadership and nothing is going to change that.

Shakor exists only to publicly fall on his sword should anything go wrong. Think of him as the Public Relations department for the Republic.


Heh. Its not so much Shakor I worry about, its the person who follows in his footsteps. He is an honorable man and a proud warrior of my tribe, but his predecessor might forget the position is just for show. I'm not sure I like this precedent being set.

Still, it bodes well for the war effort. The bloated Empire is already stumbling. Shakor is the type of leader who can make sure the Tribes knock it down completely.....

Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.06.25 21:35:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Becq Starforged on 25/06/2008 23:51:00
Why is it bad that -- in an extremely rare exhibition of Matari unity -- all of the tribes have decided that the same man represents the best leadership for the Matari people in the coming days? And why is it a surprise coming on the wake of such a stunning victory -- for which he was responsible, at least in some part?

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 23:37:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 25/06/2008 23:38:53
I give you evidence as to the depth and breadth of the worries that sorround these events.

Originally by: Shakor is named as presidential candidate, elections prepared. - News release

Pator - Brutor Party Leader and Tribe Chief Wkumi Pol ... stated that "the Minmatar people need a leader who can lead us away from the wreckage of democracy and guide us through dangerous times ... Mr. Shakor has the full support and endorsement of the Brutor Tribe" for the election.
...


The Minmatar Republic ... is making headway on preparation for the elections. While complying lawfully with the democratic process, political analysts note that these measures could mark the beginning of a complete transformation of the Republic as it is known today.




A complete transformation of the republic is underway. A transformation from the wreckage of democracy!

I have made a claim that this has been a military coup, that this is a sham and a travesty... am I the only one who can read a press release and understand what it says?

Originally by: Shakor Returns to Republic - New Release
Pator - Today saw .. Maleatu Shakor back to the halls of Minmatar government ... Arriving at the head of a large naval force [and] joined at the Pator border by a detachment of Republic Fleet warships which escorted him and his ships to Matar.

After being greeted by the tribal heads and a visibly elated Karin Midular at the capitol, Shakor announced that "the force accompanying me saved many of our people in the recent hard-fought liberation."



Only Karin Midular is elated to see him return. There is no mention of tribal elders being elated with his return. There is no evidence that they are happy at all he is here.

The nail in the coffin of the demise of our democracy which seems to be ignored... Words by our very own Keitan Yun.

Originally by: Keitan Yun
he Gallente had a dream, and they called this dream democracy,This dream was given to the Republic in its infancy and held to be the right and true way for a civilized society to govern. We now stand in the shattered remains of this dream with one unavoidable truth facing us: democracy has failed.

It did not fail because of lack of good leaders. In my opinion, we had one of the best. It did not fail because of a fault in the system. The success of a democratic Federation has lasted long enough to bear this out. The Gallente are gripped by neither poverty nor disenchantment. They do not suffer our lack of identity and unity. No, democracy did not fail because we did not try. On these things we cannot be faulted.

Democracy failed because it was not our dream. It was not for the Minmatar. We are a people not easily led, and brothers and sisters, on a precipice we now stand. If we continue to bicker and argue amongst ourselves without heed for our people's needs, we will fall. We need change. We need strength.



You say there is unity in the republic... I say there is not. What unity there is comes from the enforcement of the our tribal chiefs... and not the unity of a people united.

Originally by: Scope News Service

Drastically reduced numbers were in attendance at the session, following the murders last week of several parliament members along with hundreds of other Minmatar government officials. Despite the small turnout, the proceedings were frequently marred by chaos, as several issues were vocally raised with the Republic's current situation since the June 6 dissolution of parliament. Few of their queries were answered, with tribal chiefs generally stepping up to quieten down their respective members



This is not Matari unity... It is Matari oligarchy. It is acts of Tyranny.

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 23:38:00 - [18]
 

There have been cheering in the streets and mass celebration at the return of the Elders of old. I as well cheered and rejoiced at their return. I do not cheer at the death of democracy for it is the right and just government of a free people.

If the democracy of the Gallente has failed, then the answer is not to create a dictatorship, an oligarchy or rejoice in tyrrany but rather to build a democracy that supports the dreams and ideals of the Matari.

I am Minmatar. I am Free!

Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
Posted - 2008.06.25 23:45:00 - [19]
 

I, for one, will vote for Sharkor. Not because it would be nescessary for him to win, but to prove those that claim that we're failing at democracy wrong, once and for all. If you have a problem with the situation, become a candidate for presidency and win the elections.

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.25 23:50:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 25/06/2008 23:52:34
Originally by: Kitoba
I, for one, will vote for Sharkor. Not because it would be nescessary for him to win, but to prove those that claim that we're failing at democracy wrong, once and for all. If you have a problem with the situation, become a candidate for presidency and win the elections.


Your voting for people who say democracy is failing to prove that we are not failing at democracy. Yes this makes perfect sense to me. I see now and will change my ways.

Yet what other vote could you make... there is no other choice. How is there freedom of choice when the choice is removed? How is democracy maintained when the institution of popular vote has been circumvented?

You are not voting for democracy... you are not voting at all in truth.

I am Minmatar. I am Free!

Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.06.26 00:11:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Sky Grunthor
If the democracy of the Gallente has failed, then the answer is not to create a dictatorship, an oligarchy or rejoice in tyrrany but rather to build a democracy that supports the dreams and ideals of the Matari.

I think Ambassador Yun said it well:

"There was once a Minmatar Nation that thrived before the Amarr came. I would see that Nation reborn, its tribes united. I would see us have a leader to give strength and solidarity to those united tribes. I would call upon Emissary Maleatu Shakor to return, to finish what he started. Now is the time to stand as who we are, true Minmatar."

You see any deviation from the Gallente model of government to be 'tyranny', and somehow a loss of the freedom our people cherish so strongly. I take it you feel we were never free, even before the Amarr came and visited destruction upon us, until the Gallente shared with us their way of life?

Gallente democracy works well for the Gallente people, and I'd never suggest to them that their way of life is bad for them. But for us, it has worked ... less well. This movement you are talking about is not a path towards the tyranny of the Amarrian Empire; it's a path back to restore our own, Matari traditions, which served us well for countless generations.

We were free before the Amarr came. We will be free -- and strong -- with the Matari Nation reborn. I don't understand your complaints.

Orun Erajen
Gallente
The Cult of Aenebra
Posted - 2008.06.26 00:25:00 - [22]
 

I cannot help but feel that the entire political situation in the cluster right now is a rather black joke in search of one of those punchlines that nobody laughs at because they find it funny, but they're scared to let anyone else know - and the Minmatar Republic's... "election" is no exception.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.26 00:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Orun Erajen
I cannot help but feel that the entire political situation in the cluster right now is a rather black joke in search of one of those punchlines that nobody laughs at because they find it funny, but they're scared to let anyone else know - and the Minmatar Republic's... "election" is no exception.


What would happen in the Federation if only one candidate stepped up?

It's not as if Shakor has demanded a right to the premiership and has forced the rest of the Republic to stay out of his way. It's more like the rest of the Republic wants him in power so badly that the vote is just a formality to express what people already know to be true.


Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.06.26 01:10:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 26/06/2008 01:10:11
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Orun Erajen
I cannot help but feel that the entire political situation in the cluster right now is a rather black joke in search of one of those punchlines that nobody laughs at because they find it funny, but they're scared to let anyone else know - and the Minmatar Republic's... "election" is no exception.


What would happen in the Federation if only one candidate stepped up?

It's not as if Shakor has demanded a right to the premiership and has forced the rest of the Republic to stay out of his way. It's more like the rest of the Republic wants him in power so badly that the vote is just a formality to express what people already know to be true.



Maybe not, but you'd have to be blind not to realize he's the one man in the Republic most likely to turn it into a dictatorship, our Tibus Heth if you will.

I will continue to do my part in holding the line, but if Shakor takes the Republic down the path I think he will I may not be holding it much longer.

Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.26 01:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Becq Starforged

You see any deviation from the Gallente model of government to be 'tyranny', and somehow a loss of the freedom our people cherish so strongly. I take it you feel we were never free, even before the Amarr came and visited destruction upon us, until the Gallente shared with us their way of life?

Gallente democracy works well for the Gallente people, and I'd never suggest to them that their way of life is bad for them. But for us, it has worked ... less well. This movement you are talking about is not a path towards the tyranny of the Amarrian Empire; it's a path back to restore our own, Matari traditions, which served us well for countless generations.



I hope you are correct... I pray to the spirits that you are correct but I fear you are not. So my alarmism is alarmism with purpose... the purpose to make quite clear the consequences of the direction the government is taking.

The democracy of the Federation may not fit for the Matari people but democracy itself I do not see being maintained. No evidence as yet has shown that our leaders shall find some other form.

Until such time I will raise my voice and my concerns and dissent to all that will hear and listen.

I am Minmatar. I am Free!

Hae t'Redd
Isonami Syndicate
Posted - 2008.06.26 02:49:00 - [26]
 

It would seem that all of the major empires will soon be ruled by a dictator of one type or another.

Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
Posted - 2008.06.26 04:46:00 - [27]
 

Indeed Pilot t'Redd, I feel that you are correct. It concerns me and quite a few citizens of the Empire as well. The hate and bloody conquest that Lady Sarum advocates is not the path that would serve the Empire best. Unfortunately, it seems that there is little we can do about it. I suggest that anyone not committed to the ideals of the coming war remain in your relative high-sec systems. Serve your Empires in other ways, there are still criminals and lawbreakers to be stopped. It isnt as glorious or heady, but it is serving your nation. Other than that, I have no other thoughts to offer you.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.06.26 05:13:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 26/06/2008 05:13:33
Originally by: Becq Starforged
Why is it bad that -- in an extremely rare exhibition of Matari unity -- all of the tribes have decided that the same man represents the best leadership for the Matari people in the coming days?

Because complete unity is not what we are, as a people. We are a tribal people, a people of clans, and even when we unite, is it not to make us one, it is to make us stronger in a union.

All tribes acting like one tribe does not to me sound like "true Matari unity". It sounds like death and stagnation.

Also, like I said elsewhere, if Shakor is the right man to the job, it would have been better for him to start his term with a clear backing of a clear vote of all clans, not what many feel is trickstery.



Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
Posted - 2008.06.26 05:45:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Sky Grunthor

Yet what other vote could you make... there is no other choice. How is there freedom of choice when the choice is removed? How is democracy maintained when the institution of popular vote has been circumvented?


If 90% chose to abstain and Sharkor still claims presidency, he failed at democracy, and if we'd let him, we fail, too. I don't see that happening.

Democracy, after all, is not a Gallentean invention and does only mean "Rulership of the People", not "Presidential Representative Republic"

A leader who is not backed by its people is nothing else but a tyrant. Whatever may come, we certainly are in much, much less trouble than the Caldari and of course Amarr.

Kitoba
Minmatar
Legion of Dynamic Discord
Posted - 2008.06.26 05:47:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sky Grunthor

I am Minmatar. I am Free!


This is the very point where you're defending democracy.


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