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Terminus adacai
Caldari
Racey Bee
Posted - 2008.06.18 00:23:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Edited by: Patch86 on 17/06/2008 22:31:54

If you want to join up a corp, I see no reason why you couldn't play the system a little. If you want to join Caldari, have everyone who doesn't have the required standings to Caldari quit corp for a few days. Sign up your corp (which now has ample standings), and then let the rest of the members rejoin. AFAIK, the militia won't kick you out even if your standings drop back below the required rate.


Negative on that chief. If the standings of corp go below 0.5, entire corp will get kicked out of militia.

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cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.18 01:49:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Breyguhn F'lorn
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Because pre-FW he should have been prescient enough to know that grinding missions as an ISK sideline with agents that happened to be around his HQ would one day be detrimental to his sanity.


Exactly. A year ago, I and most other players recognized that there is value in maintaining high standings with all the factions, so we ran missions for multiple factions and avoided accepting missions that sent us against other high-sec factions. I and others like me were careful, and we reaped the rewards: high standings with all the factions. It can be done, very easily.

The OP and the OP's corp made a decision to not be careful. They're suffering the consequences of their actions/decisions. That's life. That's Eve. Every action has a consequence. Now, you can grind your standings back to acceptable levels to join your preferred faction, or you can choose to join the faction you currently can join, or you can give up. There's a decision involved here, and there's a consequence for each one. But there's also a benefit in each one. Choose your benefit and your consequence.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.18 06:45:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Jmanis Catharg

But surely you realised that running missions for caldari meant that you favoured them? Regardless of any future plans existing or not?



We simply played where we had got together and were not that interested in Caldari. We took a vote as a corp to get involved in Factional warfare and decided for our own reasons that we would prefer Gallente. We are not hopping faction we are getting interested in factions for the first time. Once our standings were adjusted we would leave the alliance we are in and join the Gallente faction. All of these things are moot - it is a very difficult thing to achieve.

It is proving expensive and time consuming.

Thanks for some of the hints folks we will get people to drop the level of missions they are doing hopefully that will speed things up. Right now I can't be arsed to log in for a few days - sick of missions.

Keeves
Minmatar
Quality Control.
Posted - 2008.06.18 07:13:00 - [34]
 

Here let me call up CCP right now and TELL THEM that they damn well better change the game mechanics for you cause you want instant gratification.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.18 07:57:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Keeves
Here let me call up CCP right now and TELL THEM that they damn well better change the game mechanics for you cause you want instant gratification.


Absolutely and if you could get them to send us some doughnuts while your at it that would be great!

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2008.06.18 08:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 17/06/2008 23:03:44
Just spent a whole night trying to adjust standings after spending a lot of isk on Tags. I got no adjustment at all tonight. I ran level 4's for 5 hours. Thats no change to my personal standing and we have up on 10 members who would like to change things....

How the hell is a corp our size supposed to adjust their standings to join a faction they 'want' to join?

Will check this thread for responses before deciding what to do.


You can't in a practical sense. Faction standings is a major problem with FW and Im sure as time goes on more people incl. CCP will realize this.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.18 08:34:00 - [37]
 

Never used cosmos agents myself, but afaik they should just improve your faction standing.

Before FW i had slightly negative standing to gallente. However i heard the 0.5 requirement, i have good standings with fed navy, so i just did lvl 4s till first storyline. One lvl 4 storyline gave me arround 0.8 standing to gallente federation, easily enough to get above 0.5 requirement. Now if you are further negative you will need a couple more storylines, but especially with cosmos agents it shouldnt be that hard, especially since you should be busy allready getting it up for a while.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2008.06.18 08:49:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 18/06/2008 08:50:10

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.18 09:14:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Well, then they'll have to grind their way up the old fashioned way. I believe blowing up Navy ships gives you a standing boost with the appropriate rival faction, so I bet grinding away through some of those (and I do believe that the Caldari Navy, seeing as the OP wants to be Gallente, has a handy respawning group sat in orbit around Caldari Prime) might be able to pull you up the level required to run missions again.


No, destroing navy ships don't give standing increases with the opposing faction, only standing loss with the navy ships faction.

For the OP: all the member of your corporation should run the new player missions in all the starting stations of the Gallente (and maybe Minmatar) schools. The second mission of the 2 episode story arch is a important storiline giving a small faction increase and the agents count as level 1 -20 quality for accessibility.

If that is not sufficent 1 station of each kind of school has a 10 episode story arch with a important storyline at the end. A player with some experience and a good frigate will do the whole arch in less than 2 hours.

doing that will give a decent factions tanding boost to all players with very low Gallente standing. The other players can do whatever level of Gallente mission they can do to get important storylines.

Another possibility is to run the circuit of event agents. Every race has a circular route of event agents that send a cargo to the next agent in the chain (weapons from station z to station w, soldiers from station w to station x, documents from station x to y, reports from station y to z, repeat). Every 16 missions you get a important soryline. Again they are low level agents and can be accessed by anyone, the route is all high sec and reasonably fast as you will find the agent in the destination station and each station is within 3-4 jumps from the next.

As it is more than 2 years that I don't use them I am unsure where they are located, but try the stations in Luminare, Oursulaert and Jel for Gallente.

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.06.18 09:16:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Keeves
Here let me call up CCP right now and TELL THEM that they damn well better change the game mechanics for you cause you want instant gratification.


Yeah, that's exactly what forums posts are for. You know, to inform the game devs how players feel about their game.

Stuff about what faction players were before FW, who they've done missions for, etc is all irrelevant tbh. EVE is a game and requiring players to endure long, tedious process in order to participate in major new addition to the game is poor mechanics.

It's a crappy game mechanic when it's rep grinding or honor point farming in WoW and it's a crappy game mechanic when it's faction grinding in EVE. It's particular crappy in this case because it's a result of player decisions made before the release of FW.

CCP should implement a one-time only method of quickly gaining faction with a single side specifically to allow people to participate in FW easily. You could compare this to things like free char respecs in WoW when major changes are made to a class - holding players responsible for dev decisions and resulting game changes seems a bit unfair.

TL;DR: Gifv non-exploitable, one-time only method of gaining faction with 1 FW side that takes a lot less time than the current storyline-mission grinding method.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.18 09:25:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Never used cosmos agents myself, but afaik they should just improve your faction standing.




True, but there is a slight problem there: most of the Gallente Cosmos agents are Caldari, then there are the Trukker, some Serpentis and last of the list some School of Caille and Roden shipyard agents (Gallente both and both requiring some decent standing). To compund it if you can run the Gallente agents you are already above the minimun requirement for Gallente corp agents.


To the OP: look the pilot school certificate missions too. Some storyline mission there. (As currently they aren't given out when you start a enw character contact me in game if needed, I should dig the relevant informations).

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.06.18 10:28:00 - [42]
 

I'm sorry, was FW released overnight with no warning? Because I seem to recall it being discussed for a few YEARS before it was released. So in that time it never dawned on you to realize that, maybe, perhaps, just possibly, faction standing may play an important part in the future of the game?

Perhaps you were too busy spending all those Caldari LPs to realize that they might come at a cost?

Cyberman Mastermind
Posted - 2008.06.18 10:53:00 - [43]
 

As others said, do missions.

If your Gallente standing is too low, do missions for Minmatar. Your gallente standing will rise.

Also, for the future - always keep at least one CORP standing high enough for L4 missions.
As long as your faction standing is above -2, you can do missions for that corp and have a foot in the door to that faction, so to speak.

Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2008.06.18 10:54:00 - [44]
 

Solution to the problem:
1) Get a few members on a Gallente FW corp. Since their abysmal Gallente standings due to Caldari buttlicking are absorbed by the mass of good or at least so-so Gallente standings, they get to pew-pew their standings up.
2) Move members back to own corp, replace with others.
3) Rinse and repeat until your own corp standings are good enough to join the Gallente yourselves.

Alternatively, play a few alts until they have higher Gallente standings, replace "Gallente FW corp" above with "your alt corp". Sure, it might feel hard work, but at times even games have some consequences, right?

Alternative 2: To help Gallente, join Amarr. When you drive the Matari away from the Republic, the Federation gets new (and cheap) labour it desperately needs.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.18 14:41:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/06/2008 14:42:21
Without paying isk:

1) the "The graduation certificate" storyline - standing increase = 0.5143 (speak to one of the agents in space in the datacenter, he will send you to recover your graduation certificate and sign it, ;
for Gallente System: Abenync agent Vausitte Yrier
System: Ekuenbiron
System: Muer
(don't know if it can be done for all 3 agents)

2) "Encryption code book" 2 of 2 - standing increase = 0.2148 (the mission in the different starting school stations) repeatable in 9 different stations

3) "cash flow for capsuleers" 10 of 10 - standing increase = 0.4887 (last mission in one of the starting school stations, there is 1 version for each school). not repetable

3) the story arc following the "License to fly" (as it can be done only once, if you trigger it to get the location of your faction agents for "The graduation certificate" it will be worth to run it).


Note that 1) alone should be sufficient to get a new character enough standing to join the militia.

Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.18 15:01:00 - [46]
 

Its not like you didn't know that you'd need to be freindly to an Empire to be on their side. FW was years in the making - the standings could have been fixed in advance if the Gallente faction was the one you wanted.

The best advice I've seen here is to kick/drop the worst faction standing people from your existing corp (or form a new one with good standings), which then does a bit of missioning to get a buffer to allow players with bad standings to join. Use the Joint Missioning gang stuff to get standings up for players who can't run the missions. It may be a grind, but its possible.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.18 15:39:00 - [47]
 

Hey, I did a million Blood Raider missions. Why don't the empires like me!? I don't understand why they don't love me anymore?

Feilamya
Pain Elemental
Posted - 2008.06.18 17:33:00 - [48]
 

Delete and start over. No grinding of lvl4's needed.

Natasha Donnan
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.19 18:08:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Natasha Donnan on 19/06/2008 18:08:25
I noticed one thing about these official forums - there are a lot of second rate trolls you know the kind that if they were dead they would not have 'the wit to stiffen'? Wink

As for the other guys - thanks for the additional information - we will check those other missions out. I have ran the "graduation certificate' mission and it was decent I even managed to get 2 additional certificates for an alt but then could not activate the mission for a second time. So we have been trying - it is just hard to know what works and what doesn't.

One of the major reasons why I got so ****ed off the other night is because I got the five stage mission that basically involved chain killing Amarr Navy ships it took 5 hours because I went out of my way to kill them all (which is what I want to do to Amarr roleplayers !! Embarassed). At the end of those five hours there was no change to faction standings.

Thats just soul destroying. It makes baby Jesus cry mmkay?

This is poor game mechanics.

When your a merc corporation you tend to not worry too much about standings as long as they don't interfere with your game. The fact that CCP have made an excellent expansion that we would like to participate in is good. The fact we want to participate in it is also a sign that we really like what they did and that is good. The fact we cannot change easily is bad. There are lots of precedents of this kind of things in many other MMO's CCP ought to have thought about a one time respec of standings.

The overall system might not need changing but a simple one off way to change things would have been nice. Anyway last time I will post here on this.

Big thanks for the helpful tips.

The trolls ought to maybe consider a troll school certificate missionIdea

Estel Arador
Posted - 2008.06.19 18:42:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Natasha Donnan
One of the major reasons why I got so ****ed off the other night is because I got the five stage mission that basically involved chain killing Amarr Navy ships it took 5 hours because I went out of my way to kill them all (which is what I want to do to Amarr roleplayers !! Embarassed). At the end of those five hours there was no change to faction standings.

Thats just soul destroying. It makes baby Jesus cry mmkay?

This is poor game mechanics.

If all is well, there was a change to faction standings: your standings to Amarr dropped Very Happy To raise faction standings, you will have to do "important" missions - storylines, cosmos or data centers (as has been pointed out earlier in this thread).
I don't think this is "poor game mechanics" since giving a faction standing increase just for killing the opposing factions ships would give a huge incentive to grind those kills and you could get high faction standings for like no effort at all, except for some boring long grinding.

In all of this what I missed is why do you want to join the Gallente faction? You're liked by the Caldari; you can enjoy the new FW content by signing up for the Caldari - and here you are complaining you can't enjoy the new content fighting for the Gallente. Why?
(Too bad your most recent post was your last, I really would like to know why.)


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