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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.06.18 02:45:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 17/06/2008 22:24:43
Originally by: Empyre
not calling you a liar, but if you don't mind i'd love it if you'd send me a screen of the wallet journal for that. only because it means i'm doing something wrong.

Worst proof ever, but sure… Confused

Summary:
Bounties – 19,595,313 ISK
Rewards – 2,152,000 ISK
Salvage – 24,340,327 ISK (roughly, 13M of which were trit bars)
Loot – 5,291,445 ISK (again, roughly – can't quite remember where the salvage sales end)
–––––––––––––––––––––
Total: 51,379,085 ISK

I know the 410k purchase was for more antimatter ammo (blasters go through a lot of them in very short order), and the 37k one was either for a skill book or for more drones (♥ Myrm) – don't remember any more.

edit: bah! bloody link…


18:33 (wallet shows 18:53 but thats with a 20 min delay) - > 22:19... only took you like 3.66 hours 51mil/3.66 = 13.9 mil/hour

did guristas extra in 1h 20min (4 wallet logs) for about 20mil bounty and 3mil reward (with a paladin and apoc, god I hate guriastas), no clue what the loot was worth, just tractor beamed it in (the stuff within 40km that is) and threw it in a can to sell/reprocess later. (no bonus room)

one mission (that one with the sanshas in like 6 groups with the more sansha ships appear from the shadows mission) was 8 mil bounties 2.3mil reward, all the bounties came in 1 sum 10 mil in 20mins ftw (but I did take some time to not exactly pay attention and salvage so theres a bit of a spread)

angels extra 10 mil bounty (hmm seems really low) 3.5mil reward, oh and quite a bit of alloyed trit bars. took 1 hour for the mission, and a bit of time for the salvage (no bonus room) (gotten 13-19mil of trit bars from various previous runs)

and at what risk? wait, there was risk involved in that?

0.0 ratting can go really either way, can get 10mil in one 20 min block, and then 5 mil the next and then an officer in the next. the loot is better. exploration, mining, moon mining as well.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.06.18 06:34:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Empyre
wow. just out of curiosity, what is the quality level of the agent? just trying to nail down why i get so much less. i don't think it could be just a different in market prices for the item sales.
It's a -3qual agent (effective qual 13), but as far as I understand it, at least cash-wise, the quality only affects the mission reward (ie those 2mil at the end – by far the smallest portion of the returns). Afaik, bounties operate on a different mechanic, and salvage… weeeell… high skill + tackle = more bars for you! Razz
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
18:33 (wallet shows 18:53 but thats with a 20 min delay) - > 22:19... only took you like 3.66 hours 51mil/3.66 = 13.9 mil/hour
In my experience, those hard "x minute delays" in updating things like your wallet and your assets list will happen fairly instantly when you change sessions. That's why so many payouts coincide with me going back to buy something: system jump + dock at station = two session changes in rapid successsion, which tends to force an update. But yeah, 3.5:ish hours from start to finish.
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and at what risk? wait, there was risk involved in that?

That's been my point all along: the only "risk" involved in someone coming along and stealing your salvage… and occasionally your loot, if they want to pick a fight. And that statement stands, even though I cba to train BS and do the missions in what everyone tells me is an underpowered and (comparatively) fragile ship Neutral

War Fairy
Posted - 2008.06.18 10:25:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Zinras

Try reading my post again.


My bad. You were talking time I was talking isk. We're both right.

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.06.18 11:02:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
It appears to me that the "n00bs" in EVE are having a great time doing missions and upgrading their ships without having to really be involved with the community, let alone form/join a corporation.

Oh no, people are having fun in EVE and I can't stop them!

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
so that people will see that EVE isn't a cake walk.
JP

Yeah! Damn CCP and they're stupid ideas to make their game fun to play! I demand that you force new players to have a really crappy time! That'll learn 'em for having the cheek to be new players in MY game, AND enjoying themselves at the same time! How dare theY!11

Jaabaa
Minmatar
Dental Drilling Corporation
Posted - 2008.06.18 22:40:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Jaabaa on 18/06/2008 22:39:59

Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.06.18 22:40:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
It appears to me that the "n00bs" in EVE are having a great time doing missions and upgrading their ships without having to really be involved with the community, let alone form/join a corporation.

Oh no, people are having fun in EVE and I can't stop them!

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
so that people will see that EVE isn't a cake walk.
JP

Yeah! Damn CCP and they're stupid ideas to make their game fun to play! I demand that you force new players to have a really crappy time! That'll learn 'em for having the cheek to be new players in MY game, AND enjoying themselves at the same time! How dare theY!11


Basically, I think you are wrong on so many points.

It used to be that going to 0.0 and low security space actually improved your income. Now, a lot of the EVE community are asking themselves "Why bother ? I can earn just as much doing missions in safe empire space.".

That is IMO the wrong mind set for EVE.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.18 23:23:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime

Basically, I think you are wrong on so many points.

It used to be that going to 0.0 and low security space actually improved your income. Now, a lot of the EVE community are asking themselves "Why bother ? I can earn just as much doing missions in safe empire space.".

That is IMO the wrong mind set for EVE.


The point is that you have decide what is the right mindset for EVE, and is your mindset, all other players are wrong if don't conform to what you feel is right.

You know what? That is the mindset of a child "The game is mine, so you should follow my rules".

Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
Posted - 2008.06.18 23:26:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
It appears to me that the "n00bs" in EVE are having a great time doing missions and upgrading their ships without having to really be involved with the community, let alone form/join a corporation.

Oh no, people are having fun in EVE and I can't stop them!

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
so that people will see that EVE isn't a cake walk.
JP

Yeah! Damn CCP and they're stupid ideas to make their game fun to play! I demand that you force new players to have a really crappy time! That'll learn 'em for having the cheek to be new players in MY game, AND enjoying themselves at the same time! How dare theY!11


Basically, I think you are wrong on so many points.

It used to be that going to 0.0 and low security space actually improved your income. Now, a lot of the EVE community are asking themselves "Why bother ? I can earn just as much doing missions in safe empire space.".

That is IMO the wrong mind set for EVE.


And thus why you're on the receiving end of plenty of sarcastic comments. You're basically saying that a very large group of the total population is playing the game in the wrong way, which does indeed roughly translate into "people are having fun in a way that does not increase the level of fun I have in the game and thus they're all wrong".

So if I'm way off on that translation, please elaborate Razz

Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.19 01:47:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Zinras
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
It appears to me that the "n00bs" in EVE are having a great time doing missions and upgrading their ships without having to really be involved with the community, let alone form/join a corporation.

Oh no, people are having fun in EVE and I can't stop them!

Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
so that people will see that EVE isn't a cake walk.
JP

Yeah! Damn CCP and they're stupid ideas to make their game fun to play! I demand that you force new players to have a really crappy time! That'll learn 'em for having the cheek to be new players in MY game, AND enjoying themselves at the same time! How dare theY!11


Basically, I think you are wrong on so many points.

It used to be that going to 0.0 and low security space actually improved your income. Now, a lot of the EVE community are asking themselves "Why bother ? I can earn just as much doing missions in safe empire space.".

That is IMO the wrong mind set for EVE.


And thus why you're on the receiving end of plenty of sarcastic comments. You're basically saying that a very large group of the total population is playing the game in the wrong way, which does indeed roughly translate into "people are having fun in a way that does not increase the level of fun I have in the game and thus they're all wrong".

So if I'm way off on that translation, please elaborate Razz


No he is saying that the concept of risk/reward is currently broken for the average grunt.

Mr Kindjal
Amarr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.06.19 01:56:00 - [100]
 

Love these threads. How about we remove all moons, all t2 ships, all t2 modules, pos and outposts. Then remove all agents. Remove insurance, remove local too. Remove warp to zero.
Remove the pulse nerf.

What if your mom says hi?

RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
Posted - 2008.06.19 01:58:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: RigelKentaurus on 19/06/2008 01:59:03
Originally by: Esmenet
No he is saying that the concept of risk/reward is currently broken for the average grunt.


It's because it has turned into boredom/reward. Now (boredom+risk)/reward would drive away PVEers.

Nothing can be done without completely reworking the way missions work (i.e. the concept of PVE fitting must die).

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2008.06.19 02:17:00 - [102]
 

I'm getting bored of hisec mission running. I'll be starting PvP just as soon as I can afford a jump clone.

So don't worry, not everyone sees a life farming ISK as the be all and end-all of EVE.

Harry Sachs
Posted - 2008.06.19 02:38:00 - [103]
 

Did you see the post about making 10-40bil per week doing 0.0 plexes? Is that high enough for you? Remember back when plexes were broken and every 10/10 plex would make a billion or more per run? EVE isn't about solo play, so surely you must count dysp moons which are deep 0.0 only. Apparently there are also some 3bil ISK NPC trade routes...BoB used to run them when their empire was larger....

The list goes on. Risk vs. Reward is only 'messed up' when it comes to the different ores...but that seems unavoidable.


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