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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
Infomorph Technologies
Posted - 2008.06.14 14:34:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Daedalus DuGalle on 14/06/2008 14:34:59
"Hello sir. Would you like to buy some scout cooki.."

*BAM*

"Heh...got'm"

Twisted Evil

edit: double for the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2008.06.17 03:50:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
You buy a car but you have no license so you don't drive the car. The car just sits there in the driveway. How does the car cause a fatality like you first stated?


Buy a late 70's Datsun Cherry; they rusted up so fast that they pulled all the oxygen out of the air in the immediate vicinity, suffocating incautious passers-by.



Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.17 17:33:00 - [33]
 

I like the part about you can have a gun in your car but you have to have it unloaded. You get car jacked at point blank range and you reach for the ammo to load your gun...yeah right.

There is a gun range jut south of where I live that has a large poster outside the building that says in big bold letters....

CRIMINALS LOVE UNARMED VICTIMS

That being said a majority of weapons pulled in self deffense in a home are typically turned upon the victim since many people do not have the gumption to actually use the weapon against the intruder. So safety courses and many logged hours shoting the gun should be required before any conceled/non-concealed weapons permits are handed out, to make sure the user is truely comfortable shooting the gun.

Slade

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.06.17 18:08:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I like the part about you can have a gun in your car but you have to have it unloaded. You get car jacked at point blank range and you reach for the ammo to load your gun...yeah right.



You got your foot on the gas pedal dontcha? Hell if he reaches in on your side try to grab him and take him for a little trip.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.17 19:07:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I like the part about you can have a gun in your car but you have to have it unloaded. You get car jacked at point blank range and you reach for the ammo to load your gun...yeah right.



You got your foot on the gas pedal dontcha? Hell if he reaches in on your side try to grab him and take him for a little trip.


If someone is car jacking you it is likely that your foot is actually on the break. I have no sources but I am pretty sure I have heard in the past that people have been shot and killed while trying to do this. That is why law enforcement suggests that you do not resist and Arizona Car Theft Authority. Actually law enforcement suggest that you always give in to the demand, do not belittle the thief, and to not offer any additional items outside of what is asked for. That being said, that is the suggestions for those that are not as assertive in life threatning situations. I myself would grab a wrist and hit the peddle.

You being a gun man should know that once your gun is inside the car that once you start pulling the trigger it is likely going to hit the driver. I know that if I ever tried to hold up a car and jack it, if I saw any movement foot or hand the trigger would be pulled and more then likely I would hit.

Slade

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.06.17 19:49:00 - [36]
 

True but I'm the paranoid type. My doors are always locked even when I'm inside (with the exception of the jeep because in the summer it has no doors) and at stops I tend to take a look around.

THEN AGAIN on the same side my city is not known for carjacking. I think we've had maybe 2 cases of carjacking or attemped carjacking within the last decade and in both cases the cops were already chasing the guy.

On the same side though it really wouldn't matter if your gun was loaded or not because like you said as soon as you see movement you'd start shooting. I know theres no way I'd be able to reach back to my gun rack and grab the AK, reach for the ammo crate on the floor, grab the clip and load it, **** the gun and fire before the criminal empties a full clip into me.

the only thing on when slamming on the gas though is depending on how far in his hand or arm is you have a chance that your window can knock off his aim but you gotta ask yourself if that is a chance worth taking.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.17 20:02:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/06/2008 20:15:05
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
True but I'm the paranoid type. My doors are always locked even when I'm inside (with the exception of the jeep because in the summer it has no doors) and at stops I tend to take a look around.


Being aware of your surroundings and paranoia are your number one friends Smile


Slade

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.06.17 20:11:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I like the part about you can have a gun in your car but you have to have it unloaded. You get car jacked at point blank range and you reach for the ammo to load your gun...yeah right.



You got your foot on the gas pedal dontcha? Hell if he reaches in on your side try to grab him and take him for a little trip.


That's the smartest idea I've ever heard. Rolling Eyes

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.06.17 20:34:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I like the part about you can have a gun in your car but you have to have it unloaded. You get car jacked at point blank range and you reach for the ammo to load your gun...yeah right.



You got your foot on the gas pedal dontcha? Hell if he reaches in on your side try to grab him and take him for a little trip.


That's the smartest idea I've ever heard. Rolling Eyes


How to avoid being carjacked

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.19 17:19:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 19/06/2008 17:22:58
Headines: Henrico Va, Car Jacking at Willlow Lawn shopping centre yesterday around 22:00 EVE time. This is right down the road from my place of employment.

For those that do not care to read the link. Once the old lady (91 y/o) exited the car and the perp jumped in and drove off with no attack causing physical harm inacted upon the women.

1.5 hours after Mike D's last post. Just a little ironic.

Slade

Lennit Purn
The Righteous Few
Posted - 2008.06.19 18:52:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
That being said a majority of weapons pulled in self deffense in a home are typically turned upon the victim since many people do not have the gumption to actually use the weapon against the intruder...

Slade


Rolling Eyes

God, I'm sick of that rumor. I've never heard of ONE instance where that actually happened, and I can't find a single instance of that on google.


Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.19 20:39:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Lennit Purn
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
That being said, a majority of weapons pulled in self defense in a home are typically turned upon the victim since many people do not have the gumption to actually use the weapon against the intruder...

Slade


Rolling Eyes

God, I'm sick of that rumor. I've never heard of ONE instance where that actually happened, and I can't find a single instance of that on google.




Okay I will admit that what I said was a gross miss statement and over exaggeration. That is a very old idea that popped out of the recesses of my mind, from my childhood, and has been forever banished due to my own search and inability to find proof.

But, picture this, a single person in a residence, pulls a weapon (say a Knife) and tries to defend themselves. If they fail, whether or not the actual weapon they tried to use is used in the act, the perp will more then likely be angry enough to kill the individual, thus equaling no witness to say "I pulled a weapon and failed to deter the criminal".

What I tried to say, in combination with prior posts and failed to get across with my weak statement, was that personal weapons should be permitted, but there should be significant training requirement for the use so as to prevent someone from not having a clue how to really use the weapon successfully.

Once again imagine someone pulling a gun they bought, rarely or never fired, and forget in haste to turn off the safety. Pull Pull Pull...WTF...Oh sh.t.

This is not something I find hard to imagine in today’s society.


There are a lot of successful stories of people deterring perps from continuing an assault and/or killing the criminal. There is, not one we can find, that says “hey I pulled a weapon to defend myself and it got used against me”, for obvious reasons, they were probably filed as just another murder.


Slade

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.06.19 21:06:00 - [43]
 

I was going to post a lengthy reply on the vast differences that seem to exist between where i live and dum****istan but i opted against it in order to save my day. I''ll suffice with a ''Jesus h christ what the hell is wrong with those people?''

Lennit Purn
The Righteous Few
Posted - 2008.06.20 02:18:00 - [44]
 

I think it's a lot more feasible for somebody's knife to be turned against them then their gun... it would take gigantic balls to risk your life on the other person being too much of a wuss to pull the trigger. I'm not saying it's never happened - it's probably just really, really rare, or else one of us would probably have heard of it happening, at least once.
Originally by: Slade Trillgon

Once again imagine someone pulling a gun they bought, rarely or never fired, and forget in haste to turn off the safety. Pull Pull Pull...WTF...Oh sh.t.


All the training in the world won't help somebody dumb enough to point a gun at themselves and pull the trigger without checking to see if it's loaded. Besides, statistically, guns in your home really aren't that dangerous - you're more likely to be killed by your swimming pool.

Wonder if you can tell I'm a gun owner Very Happy

Ilvan
Gallente
Post with your Brain
Posted - 2008.06.20 03:34:00 - [45]
 

Sometimes I read about the gun situation in the U.S. and I start to laugh...

...then I remember we share the largest unguarded border in the world with them Shocked


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