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VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2008.06.12 06:18:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: VoYvod on 12/06/2008 09:07:39
Edited by: VoYvod on 12/06/2008 06:20:01
I know i'm going to be flamed for this.

First thing is first, Concord and all of the 4 factions are friendly as far as i know.
so take this into mind. say i join a Faction and my security status is in the negatives, as far as i know I am NOT allowed to go into my own empires space without being shot at by concord police. So in a way concord is attacking the empire that i belong to, and makes my life a living hell to get to the other factions low security space. Now i understand that concord doesn't allow people with certain security status into specified systems

(-2.0 can't enter 1.0 , -2.5 can't enter .9 , -3.0 can't enter .8, - 3.5 can't enter .7 , - 4.0 can't enter .6, -4.5 can't enter .5 , -5.0 can't enter any high sec)

I do agree with this rule of concords but to be within the HOLDING FACTION of the space and not be able to travel through and/or fight enemy factions because of a 3rd party corporation , THIS SHOULD BE A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY! Wink

Now in order for allowing people with bad security status into high security space that belongs to their faction, there would have to be an "act of agression" which is in place now as it is , so people that are part of the faction wont have a "not get concordokken card" and just kill everybody in sight.. but will be able to pass through their faction's space/dock/fight enemy factions, If the person is OUTLAW (-5+) they shouldn't be shot by the concord police if they're part of the space holding faction. The outlaws will still be able to be shot at by anybody willing to target them without concord intervening because they're outlaws.

these people with negative security status that are within the space holding faction should only be allowed into their Factions space, no matter the security rating of the system, and possibley their allies. ex. amarr and caldari

It'll benefit each faction and countless amounts of people and make faction warfare even more popular with people that wouldn't even consider it. This would make more sense Roleplaying wise aswell because you're in a space holding faction corp/alliance , why should you be shot for patrolling itQuestion

If these negative security status members travel into their enemies faction's space, concord should do what it does currently and kill them instantly.




Tenacha Khan
TunDraGon
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:05:00 - [2]
 

Firstly edit the sec status and remove the .01 from each If you are -2.0 you will get shotted in 1.0:)

Tenacha Khan
TunDraGon
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:12:00 - [3]
 

I can understand where your comming from, I actually tried to push a similar idea a few years back with regards to the fact that Minmatar Navy would not care if I was pew pewing people in domain and vice versa. Remember that it is not concord that kill you upon entering high sec, it is the navy, therefore you would expect if you were part of the militia that they would leave you alone.

I do support this, but believe that if you are -5.0 or below you should be able to be attacked by anyone anywhere, I dont think that being part of the militia should take away from that in any form.

Anyway, good idea. I think your right about it adding to the game, I dont see how it can take away from anything.

But get ready fr the response I got .... do the crime do the time Razz




Kain De'Stroi
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:15:00 - [4]
 

try going into highsec yourself first before you talk about something you dont know squat about.

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Kain De'Stroi
try going into highsec yourself first before you talk about something you dont know squat about.


ya, you're right, i've never been in high sec, ever, thats right, never Rolling Eyes /sarcasm

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:19:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: VoYvod on 12/06/2008 09:25:09
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
I can understand where your comming from, I actually tried to push a similar idea a few years back with regards to the fact that Minmatar Navy would not care if I was pew pewing people in domain and vice versa. Remember that it is not concord that kill you upon entering high sec, it is the navy, therefore you would expect if you were part of the militia that they would leave you alone.

I do support this, but believe that if you are -5.0 or below you should be able to be attacked by anyone anywhere, I dont think that being part of the militia should take away from that in any form.

Anyway, good idea. I think your right about it adding to the game, I dont see how it can take away from anything.

But get ready fr the response I got .... do the crime do the time Razz






"The outlaws will still be able to be shot at by anybody willing to target them without concord intervening because they're outlaws." its in there , hidden within the wall of text Razz

The benefits of doing this greatly outweighs the "penalties" and really the only penalty that i've seen people complain about is people being ganked in high sec... That happens already, it'll never be stopped by the sec status feature, mainly because you can suicide gank with trial accounts and it doesn't matter Rolling Eyes

Tenacha Khan
TunDraGon
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:22:00 - [7]
 

Sorry, I read it as I was on the phoneEmbarassed

ceaser3
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Posted - 2008.06.12 09:59:00 - [8]
 

Kind of beats having negative sec status then. It was put in place to stop outlaws from entering empire. If outlaws could enter empire by mearly joining one of the milita then it kind of beats the object of having neg sec status. There are already ways to increase ur sec status (yes, it is boring), or u could just use a shuttle and go to the fw low sec area, and buy ur equipment there, or get a alt to haul ur ships across empire.

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2008.06.12 10:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: ceaser3
Kind of beats having negative sec status then. It was put in place to stop outlaws from entering empire. If outlaws could enter empire by mearly joining one of the milita then it kind of beats the object of having neg sec status. There are already ways to increase ur sec status (yes, it is boring), or u could just use a shuttle and go to the fw low sec area, and buy ur equipment there, or get a alt to haul ur ships across empire.


agreed and i already do this, but it's the sheer fact that your own faction is letting you die when you're trying to benefit the empire. as for letting them into empire, they wont be allowed in all of high sec, so it really wouldn't completely make the security status void.

CCP Gangleri


Minmatar
Posted - 2008.06.12 11:34:00 - [10]
 

You are joining a militia, not the faction navy. The militia will let you in even if you are an outlawed criminal. That doesn't mean the navy are going to let you anywhere near high security because you have shown through your actions that you are a criminal. Seems pretty logical to me.


Also, this thread belongs in Features and Ideas.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2008.06.12 13:01:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 12/06/2008 13:04:08
Militia membership could add a special feature regarding capsuleer's security status and/or identity.

Based on RL possibilities (e.g. amnesty, whistleblower, Foreign Legion), altering sec status and identity could be gained through long and exceptional service in one of militias. After reaching a high rank and serving a long time for one those factions a pod pilot could choose to:

- reset his sec status (medium rank + 6 months of duty)
- get a new identity (name/face , high rank + 12 months of duty)
- get a free beer


Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.06.12 13:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: CCP Gangleri
You are joining a militia, not the faction navy. The militia will let you in even if you are an outlawed criminal. That doesn't mean the navy are going to let you anywhere near high security because you have shown through your actions that you are a criminal. Seems pretty logical to me.


Also, this thread belongs in Features and Ideas.


What he said. If you are wanted in the states and join the canadian military, you are still wanted in the states and will be arrested if you show yourself there.

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2008.06.13 04:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
You are joining a militia, not the faction navy. The militia will let you in even if you are an outlawed criminal. That doesn't mean the navy are going to let you anywhere near high security because you have shown through your actions that you are a criminal. Seems pretty logical to me.


Also, this thread belongs in Features and Ideas.


What he said. If you are wanted in the states and join the canadian military, you are still wanted in the states and will be arrested if you show yourself there.


but you wouldn't be arrested in canada, would you? i rest my case Cool


 

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