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Freya Runestone
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:25:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: omglollolol
Furthermore, I'll take this opportunity to publicly accuse 0.0 alliances of running macroers all over the place. Connection is quite logical and rational. It'd be naive to think that macroers are ran by someone who just started, right? If you asking me for EVIDENCE of this, lemme just say that the level of proving it is insanely high and equal to ME asking YOU to prove you're not running 'em!
I'm sorry but these 2 things are completely different. You are the one accusing someone of doing something wrong. It's up to you to prove that, if you can't do that then your argument is worthless.
You can't prove something you're not doing, its an impossible task no matter how you look at it. And its a silly thing to ask of someone. Whereas asking for proof form someone who's accusing someone else is perfectly logical, since, well... HE IS ACCUSING!

if you think otherwise then please prove to me beyond any doubt that you are not and have never run a macro program yourself.

Krulgatha
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:26:00 - [32]
 

Why don't you use the search function and find the 10000000000000000000000000000 other threads on the topic.

Silvana Kor'ah
Posted - 2008.05.29 11:32:00 - [33]
 

I've also petitioned it 3 weeks ago, made a forum's thread before ... nothing. I still see the same names all day at every time in Elonaya ...

How hard can it be to check the logs for the persons in question and check if they do mine 23/7? What more evidence do you need? CCP doesn't care is the only logical possibility.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:15:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: omglollolol
Originally by: Zaknussem
[omglollolol: No. Those NPC corps would be permawardecced by people whom think n00b-shooting is fun. Besides, the macro-miners would just start macro-corps on the day they get "kicked out" of the NPC corp. The moment someone wardecs the macro-corp, the corp is shut down and all of its members would run and hide in an NPC corp for as long as possible.

Your suggestion would not solve anything, and only create more problems, not to mention spreading out the current ones.

Also, post with your main, and not some n00bcorp-hugging alt.


That's the idea of it.. to have it permadecced, so that it forces people to find a player corp.. If they create macro corp, wardec it again, if they go away make them drop to 2nd noobcorp which is perma deced. Problem solved... there's something called recruitment channel.. many corps will welcome new players..

my suggestion would not solve the problem in the most fashionable way, however it would change things and slow macro miners down in their efforts. I didn't think about it at all, it just popped in my mind as suggestion.. there's no reason wasting my time and energy trying to come up with a better solution since even if i have it, it won't get applied. (CCP is paid by macro miners as it's paid by regulars, and I'm inclined to believe the developers rather get paid than to make themselves poor and things fair for everyone. 'Greed can overcome even the best friendship' remember?

There's not much people/players can do themselves, it's up to devs. We can try to fix it ourselves, but we'll never be successful enuf to stop it.

So I guess the only thing left is to face the music and dance Laughing

And this is my main for forum posting, anything wrong about it?



Proposed hundred of times, it is the usual wish from peole that want to grief players in NPC corps, it has noting to do with macro users.

A you well know the macro user will simply start 1 corporation in every account. You war dec one of the corp? the CEO stay there, all the other members move to different "player" corporations, you wardec the new corp, they shuffle again, never reforming the same corporation so it is not an exploit.

Opening a new corp cost way less than wardeccing one, so you will always lose the run, never getting to fire 1 shot against them.

this is extemly well know so people that still suggest the "wardec NPC corp" as a macro solution are 2 kind of people:

1) totally gnorant of game mechanics;

or

2) people that wan easy targets in high se and are totally uninterested in the macro problem.

omglollolol
Posted - 2008.05.29 13:30:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: omglollolol on 29/05/2008 13:30:55
Originally by: Freya Runestone
Originally by: omglollolol
Furthermore, I'll take this opportunity to publicly accuse 0.0 alliances of running macroers all over the place. Connection is quite logical and rational. It'd be naive to think that macroers are ran by someone who just started, right? If you asking me for EVIDENCE of this, lemme just say that the level of proving it is insanely high and equal to ME asking YOU to prove you're not running 'em!
I'm sorry but these 2 things are completely different. You are the one accusing someone of doing something wrong. It's up to you to prove that, if you can't do that then your argument is worthless.
You can't prove something you're not doing, its an impossible task no matter how you look at it. And its a silly thing to ask of someone. Whereas asking for proof form someone who's accusing someone else is perfectly logical, since, well... HE IS ACCUSING!

if you think otherwise then please prove to me beyond any doubt that you are not and have never run a macro program yourself.


it's true, cos I say so,.. and I've nver run a macro program, cos I say so,.. You should believe it cos I'm the most honest person in EvE.. and if I'm not, mod will delete my post, and I'll send you 1mil isk as a apology for being wrong LaughingLaughing.. But till then I'm right.

Shaloran Kalior
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2008.05.29 13:31:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: omglollolol
Originally by: Shaloran Kalior
Why should people be forced to be in a player corp?

I know of plenty of people who enjoy being in an NPC corp, so they can mess around in high sec, playing their game in the sandbox. They like talking to the 150+ people in that corp, they enjoy spending all their time in high sec trading/mining/mission running while not having to worry about being wardecced.

Its not my game, and apparently its not yours either. But who are you to decide what game they should be playing?


I don't give a 'outcome-of-bbq-after-a-few-hours' about what game is this for others... they do what they do, everything I say is extremly subjective and incorporates my own vision, who are the others and why I should care about them?


Translation: I want to grief new players. Right. Glad that's understood. Shame you dont have the guts to post with your main and say it.

omglollolol
Posted - 2008.05.29 13:32:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Shaloran Kalior
Originally by: omglollolol
Originally by: Shaloran Kalior
Why should people be forced to be in a player corp?

I know of plenty of people who enjoy being in an NPC corp, so they can mess around in high sec, playing their game in the sandbox. They like talking to the 150+ people in that corp, they enjoy spending all their time in high sec trading/mining/mission running while not having to worry about being wardecced.

Its not my game, and apparently its not yours either. But who are you to decide what game they should be playing?


I don't give a 'outcome-of-bbq-after-a-few-hours' about what game is this for others... they do what they do, everything I say is extremly subjective and incorporates my own vision, who are the others and why I should care about them?


Translation: I want to grief new players. Right. Glad that's understood. Shame you dont have the guts to post with your main and say it.


My main is a careugh..and careughs don't fight mkay?Laughing

Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
Posted - 2008.05.29 13:58:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Inertial
Remove Icebelts in high-secYARRRR!!.


This. Twisted Evil

If you only had ice in low sec, it might give people a reason to be there.

Silvana Kor'ah
Posted - 2008.05.29 14:39:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Silvana Kor''ah on 29/05/2008 14:39:06
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Inertial
Remove Icebelts in high-secYARRRR!!.


This. Twisted Evil

If you only had ice in low sec, it might give people a reason to be there.


Low sec is a harsh, dark and cruel place. I know that dangerous pirates live there which would blast my undefended Makinaw to ashes. I would never go there, even if there were pure Mercoxit fields. Twisted Evil


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