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Cutter Isaacson
Minmatar
Spycotics
Posted - 2008.05.30 09:16:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: GB Man
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson
Edited by: Cutter Isaacson on 27/05/2008 13:09:50
Edited by: Cutter Isaacson on 27/05/2008 13:09:18
I have to agree with the op here. Although this toon is relatively new, I've been playing EVE since 2005 and most of that time has been spent solo.



Fixed


fixed back. I choose my own words thankyou very much

Mallikanth
Posted - 2008.05.30 09:30:00 - [62]
 

Well my experiences are very similar to other comments here. I've been in a few Corps having been around some 4 years or so, been in 0.0 alliances, earned my fortune and got bored.

I'm lucky enough to have the isk to buy what toys I want but RL doesnt allow me to spend time in alliance or even most Corp ops due to time constratints. so I'm in my own 1 man Corp now as I don't like hiding in a NPC corp.

If a solo player chat channel does emerge and actually gets populated and used, I'd be interested. I have a few close friends in game but another chat channel does no harm while I'm buzzin around out there Very Happy




MiIitary Genius
Posted - 2008.05.30 11:11:00 - [63]
 

I too have been in EVE for just over 4 years and have been in my share of 0.0 alliances. I have seen the corp op days and the "all hands on deck, we're getting attacked/attacking" and all the other demands that sap the fun out of the game.
I have been in a corp that had 3 100% tax, corp mining days in a week, how crap was that - especially when the CEO suddenly turns up in a dread (back when dreads were new). So I am solo now but think that I may look into some antipirate corps, those gate camping pirates are usually not the stand up and fight kind of people you would hope for, but you never know...

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.30 11:17:00 - [64]
 

a few of us lonely souls are hanging out in channel "voyagers in night" so come and join the very low key party Very Happy

Mallikanth
Posted - 2008.05.30 12:43:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Jastra
a few of us lonely souls are hanging out in channel "voyagers in night" so come and join the very low key party Very Happy


I'll look you guys up tonight when I log in Very Happy


Nur Vadenn
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.30 13:03:00 - [66]
 

Wow, well it is kinda reassuring to know I am truly not alone in the EVE universe...

I too have been basically wandering aimlessly through the game for the most part during my time here. After joining a corporation and finding out it wasn't a good fit for me I left and started wandering low-sec. At the same time I also focused a lot of effort into sifting through recruitment ads, the recruitment channel, the forums, and visiting public channels for corporations. I haven't joined many because of the employment history issues some have pointed out in this thread. So far what I have found has left me with a sour taste and a low opinion of player run groups in EVE.

During all this time I've picked up on the “lone wolf” habits I've had in other games. Making ISK and enjoying myself in mainly low-sec. Figuring out how best to evade the starving pirates I seem to find everywhere. In general I've had some fun times, but it is starting to get old. Not sure if I want to walk back into the corporate recruitment minefield to see if joining another one will help though. There really needs to be better tools in place to help decide which corporation is a decent fit for you.

Recently someone pointed out that I've been in game for a decent chunk of time. I hadn't even realized it has been this long. I wonder if anyone has use for a guy that can fly covert ops frigates, recon cruisers, and almost heavy assault ships, but has only ever shot one other player in game in self defense. Neutral

Mallikanth
Posted - 2008.05.30 13:36:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Nur Vadenn
Wow, well it is kinda reassuring to know I am truly not alone in the EVE universe...

*snip*

. I wonder if anyone has use for a guy that can fly covert ops frigates, recon cruisers, and almost heavy assault ships, but has only ever shot one other player in game in self defense. Neutral


well, my neg status is from podding players who have pi**ed me off and other than running gatecamps etc thats the sum of my Combat experience, so don't feel too bad ugh

Perhaps join the channel mentioned above, and see you there Smile

Talon Aidian
Interstella Fleet
Posted - 2008.05.31 04:13:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Liranan
Eve is a solo game. You PVE 95% of the time, to make money, to make ships, to hoard wealth which you then unleash on others. The problem isn't with soloing, the problem is if you have a problem with PVP because no matter how much you run, how far you go and how hard you go you will lose ships to wars or people suiciding. ISK in EVE has no meaning and no value if you do nothing with it.

Who cares you have billions in faction gear if all you do is farm just to farm because eventually you will have more money than some alliances put together and what are you doing with it? Nothing. Pointless, meaningless and a total waste of time. EVE is geared at PVP and you are supposed to PVE to PVP not PVE to PVE. If you want that then go and play WOW, there you can raid to raid as much as you want. CCP will not change the fact that you don't want to play with others but prefer to play on your own. There are many things you can do solo and many more in a group, PVP is just one.

EVE is a MMO and CCP have done a great job to make it that way. If you don't like it you can go and play many solo player games without having to interact with others and in which you needn't pay the monthly fee so cease the whining. Go play Diablo 2 if you want a pure solo game with multiplayer aspects.

EVE revolves around war and many love it just for that. If you haven't experienced it you should try and fight for some space, it's fantastic and there is no other MMO like it.


It is interesting that those people who espouse the 'EVE is about PVP' philosophy are the ones most guilty of treating the other players in the game as nothing more than marks or pixels on the screen. Such an attitude is not indicative of an MMO environment, but of a single-player viewpoint that has not evolved to the point where the player can consider the other ships in the game as real people. It follows that PVPers should avoid trying to lecture non-PVPers on how to play an MMO.

Also, EVE is a -MMORPG- not an MMO. Read the game description.

Getting back to the original discussion, I can safely say that the reason I have been a lone wolf player for the majority of my playtime on EVE is that my attitude towards the game is radically different from every other player I have encountered. Maybe it's my background as an old-school gamer (RPG and Wargamer), or just that I find the greatest enjoyment in something you can't see on a spreadsheet, but I don't look at my ships as tools in a game. When I play, I see my ship as a ship, and act that way. To me, it is the stories we build as we play, not the killpoints or the pointless bragging we do, that is the real draw for me.

Besides this is the simple fact that Eve is a game that promotes solo play. Betrayal, scamming, and dishonor are encouraged by game and players alike, and considered virtues. Teamplay is all too often just a mechanism to promote those activities, and corps ultimately fall apart from politics or just because the senior members decide they have gotten all the gain they can from it and leave with as much as they can stuff in their pockets. In such a world, it is best to be self-sufficient, and stay away from other players.

Ilvan
Gallente
Post with your Brain
Posted - 2008.05.31 05:19:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Jastra
Originally by: Uuve Savisaalo
Originally by: Dotard


I guess what prompted me to write this is an attempt to answer the oft repeated question I see on these forums "Why would anyone want to play a multi-player game solo?!"




I think you've somewhat misunderstood that frequently-posed question. the actual meaning of it was as follows: why would anybody want a single-player game experience (explicit PVE) from a game that offers the most compelling massively-multiplayer experience around.




your assuming that everyone who plays solo only enjoys PVE content, not true

QFMFT

Anyone who thinks "solo" means "explicit PVE" is a tool.

Ambani
Gallente
NAUCOM
Posted - 2008.05.31 05:36:00 - [70]
 

also if you are solo and you like poker, there are a bunch of nice poker channels around which are usually buzzing with chatter as well.

Try eve online hold'em. Hope selene has not changed the name of it though:)

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2008.05.31 20:40:00 - [71]
 

I also have to agree to most of the previous posters and OP's feelings. I havent hopped that much around corps, but I have noticed that I have ended up playing a solo game for almost 3 years. Why? Cuz it's more fun for me in the long run. I have highly irregular TZ's , my gaming hours are usually restricted to a couple hours each day, and sometimes I go absent for several months. I will prolly be playing eve 'till they kill all the hamsters due to vitoc withdrawal and plug the cords on the servers and CCP's HQ's on Iceland becomes the new fast food joint of the month.

I really smile everytime people ask why we play solo.

Let me sum this up.

High End Game is 0.0 right? Capitals, Posses, stuff like that?

Well ... Let's say that one day, for the sake of the story, a fictional I was somewhere in 0.0,

I was logged on TS, playing Solitaire/Minesweeper , then someone yells : "EVERYONE LOG ON" , we log on, I see a big GRAY ball of "stuff" dead ahead of me, and I F1 to F8 it , then I alt tab and keep playing Solitaire, watching **** as it slowly crumbles . A couple minutes later, someone yells : "EVERYONE LOG OFF!!!" , and I can't play EvE anymore cuz there's a titan in the same grid. So most people log their alts or keep playing with their other accounts and I'm screwed cuz all I have is one account ...

Couple hours later, someone is excited cuz another Generic_Capital_Ship is fresh off from the oven and we can kill big GRAY balls of "stuff" faster. Ok, ok, everything for the greater good of my alliance.

Later someone yells "CYNO FIELDSSSSSS at X, Y and Z!!! OMGZ!!" so we scramble up a team of willing defenders of the faith and alliance and proceed to X, others to Y and others to Z ... then we realize the true cap fleet is coming out of W and V ... meh.

Sometimes we got 'em, sometimes we didnt, sometimes we just sent 20 boys to gank a mysterious AFK cloaker that opened a cyno just to see and calculate our reaction time ... meh .. everything for the good sake of the Alliance.

Now, in this story , Me, I was thinking " Well, this is all for the greater good, this is 0.0, my alliance The INFAMOUS "Generic_Alliance_Name_made_up_on_five_seconds" is awesome, cuz they hold BLEH, MEH, DUH and DOH and practically all of WHOCARES ...

One day there were thirty of us at a gate/station/spot waiting for some NBSI targets and after 8 hours we had managed to kill 1 Indy, 2 ravens and a SHUTTLE !!! OMGZ ... I realized I was paying 15$ a month for this? Even Everquest's 1 four hours 50+ people raids were more fun cuz at least I was earning DKP in Temple of SSRA and I had Greenmist cleaving the flesh of Undead Snake-Men ugh

After that I decided Hi sec was fun. Never looked back.

LUH 3471
Posted - 2008.05.31 21:13:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: LUH 3471 on 31/05/2008 21:26:05
gladly will join 0.0 alliance when fights will be more fun again but until then will stay in empire/lowsec with having just one account
big lag fleet battles is not what i want to pay 15$ a month for ccp

most of the time it is really just waiting hours for lag blob to come
kinda frustrating
the only fun is small gangwarfare when it happens but this has gotten rare very rare indeed
looking forward to empryan age




Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.31 22:09:00 - [73]
 

I played solo for a long time but three years ago, I decided to create my own one man corp. It was a disaster when I started recruiting others and it soon got too much trying to sort out squabbles, identify corp thieves and such so I gave it up.

I don't get a lot of playtime due to RL constraints but I value the time I do have online. I am part of another corp but we group together, play solo or just mine as we want. The only thing the corp asks is that players devote a little of their time to helping the corp either by mining for them, building or something to help keep the corp going. Not much of your time is required but it all helps. The rest is yours to do as you wish. If you want to team up or play solo, it's your choice.

We are part of a fairly large alliance but still do our own thing mostly but we help each other in times of need. It's kind of a lone wolf corp but with enough interaction that allows us to band together if necessary to run off opposition. Chat on both Vent and the Corp window is fast and often funny with very few lapses into silence. If it does go quiet, someone often finds a way to get the chat started again.

I still do solo missions and mining etc but my missioning helps the corp with standings so it's not just for myself. Therefore, even solo, you can do something to benefit the others you team up with. Even if you never team up, it still isn't entirely solo play.

The only real solo players are those who never join a player corp.

Sinnae Takeda
Posted - 2008.05.31 23:10:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
Solo game in EVE isn't so bad once you learn to play 2 accounts.
I played about 2 years with 1 account and then 2 years with 2 accounts, so I know the difference. It's really bad with 1 account.


i'm sure ccp really loves your kind, mate...

Empyre
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2008.05.31 23:13:00 - [75]
 

and the reason people spend 80% of their solo time playing solo out of need? the isk grind. and trust. it's way too easy to scam people in the game. some of the most successful organizations i've seen in eve have a core of people in control that either know each other in real life or have another significant medium for the currency of trust.

how many corps and alliances have crumbled or been crippled by a huge theft or act of sabotage? some are perhaps easy to understand, the ones where even the most simple of common sense checks could have prevented.

i still think the eve system needs a better way to balance it, if not for the simple reason that most people solo the isk grind because its the best way to avoid risking losing it all. so many of eves system resources go to waste because everyone is bottlenecked in agent systems, trade hubs and hopping between whatever alliance has control over the most open 0.0 space.

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.01 07:12:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Empyre
and the reason people spend 80% of their solo time playing solo out of need? the isk grind. and trust. it's way too easy to scam people in the game. some of the most successful organizations i've seen in eve have a core of people in control that either know each other in real life or have another significant medium for the currency of trust.

how many corps and alliances have crumbled or been crippled by a huge theft or act of sabotage? some are perhaps easy to understand, the ones where even the most simple of common sense checks could have prevented.

i still think the eve system needs a better way to balance it, if not for the simple reason that most people solo the isk grind because its the best way to avoid risking losing it all. so many of eves system resources go to waste because everyone is bottlenecked in agent systems, trade hubs and hopping between whatever alliance has control over the most open 0.0 space.



Err no, it's easy to lose corp assets if you're careless, losing your own assets, well, there is a sucker born every minute.... and corps have lock down procedures for valuable items, I play solo and I do not do it for the ISK grind (I dont mission or mine these days) and I do not play in high sec, having said that, the corps that I've been in didnt have have problems you suggest either.


Empyre
Chaotic Balance
Posted - 2008.06.01 19:21:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Jastra
Err no, it's easy to lose corp assets if you're careless, losing your own assets, well, there is a sucker born every minute.... and corps have lock down procedures for valuable items, I play solo and I do not do it for the ISK grind (I dont mission or mine these days) and I do not play in high sec, having said that, the corps that I've been in didnt have have problems you suggest either.




then you aren't who i speak of. i'd beg to wager on how many there are out there that do their own thing because they've been burned in one way or another.

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2008.06.01 23:26:00 - [78]
 

Isk grinding in missions solo is not as viable as doing it with a team member. You can earn more soloing lvl3's than you can soloing lvl4's in most cases. I can complete most lvl3 missions in a few minutes but a lvl4 takes more than three times as long for just over twice the payout in agent payments and bounties. If I take another player on a lvl4, we can do it in the same time as soloing a lvl3. Split the rewards and it makes it a better payout to each of us than if we did lvl3's solo.

Mining is about the only solo isk grind in Eve. Using the same character to mine and haul, swapping ships each time actually earns more than splitting the profits between two. Of course a second account helps as well.

Blobs and large gangs and use of cap ships have taken away a lot of the solo element from lowsec that used to be around a few years ago. But some still survive.

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.03 00:01:00 - [79]
 

Exploration is a great solo profession.
Not consistantly profitable but can be extremely so.
Though currently you either have to drive a bs around and take 5 min per scan or have two ships.... one to scan out the target and one to actaully clear the plex.
But I love it and I do it for the thrill. NOt the isk.

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.03 00:20:00 - [80]
 

Is the channel "freelancer" for lone wolf players?
I have it in my channel list but it is always empty.

White Ronin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:50:00 - [81]
 

Though after the CSM apparent fear of adding ANY soloable content, I think many of our times are gunna be short here.
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And here's another groundbreaking element to Champions Online: we are striving to make sure that the end game contains a component for soloers. Yep. That's right. The Champions Online end game isn't just about large teams, raids and guilds. If you don't want to do that, there's still content for you. I'll admit that we haven't put the finishing touches on the Omega System, but I can tell you that we are designing and developing with the solo player in mind.

And pvp content also.
Might not be worth a damn but seems other games are seeing the solo player as a worth while member of the community.

Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:53:00 - [82]
 

It's better in the right corp.

The right corp has the right CEO and organization.

Being a corp CEO is an organization and logistics job.

If the corp isn't very well organized, it will suck.

Not everyone is cut out to be a CEO.

Diarrhea Aguilera
Posted - 2008.06.09 18:23:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 09/06/2008 18:24:38
Originally by: Drizit

The only real solo players are those who never join a player corp.



Would make me a *real* solo player as despite only playing eve for half a year on my main, I've never joined a player corp and never will - I've seen my share of clans/corps/guilds since the early days of quakeworld, founded my own clans that successfully played games in leagues like ESPL for years etc...
But I was younger, went to Uni and thus had lots of spare time - now that I work in a time-consuming job I continuously see people in, I enjoy playing eve for a little relaxation whilst watching movies or TV on the second screen, but hell - after talking to ppl for the whole day I surely don't want to continue doing so in my spare-time.

I just don't need a carebear corp with a chat channel surving the sole purpose of allowing other noob-carebears showing their e-peens to each other ("Dood - my baddon has dual navy LAR and teh tachs", "Dood - I just ganked that rat in first volley in my officer CNR" etc..) and other than that only helps the CEO (probably some 0.0 alliance members alt) get richer. Why would I? There's no need to team up for PVE and anyone not being capable of soloing any L4 in a decent amount of time after a few months has some serious issues with his brain...

I also don't need any "determined" 0.0 corp requiring me to do certain duties for the corp as the sole mention of the word "duty" is somewhat detrimental to the relaxation I play eve for - and I certainly don't want to hang around some TS/Vent server just to have some CEO bleating into my ear to get ready for anything whilst I watch the new DVD I just got.

So why do I play eve you may ask? Because despite hardly ever talking to anyone in eve, I don't play solo
- whenever I buy something off contracts, the market etc. I don't play solo
- whenever I dock at a POS I don't play solo
- whenever I see ships ganking each other I don't play solo - it's me and the fishbowl called eve - some of the 200.000 fish in it have a human brain and I'm controlling one of them, watching the others whilst sipping on my glass of wine and relaxing. It's for the same reason you put a real aquarium on your desk instead of just putting up a screensaver with fish in it: Animal behaviour is far more entertaining to watch than randomly generated "AI" patterns - Eve really replaced milkdrop for me...

Just adding another reason to play an MMORPG and not team up - but solo? Nah!

Cahura Ridacal
Posted - 2008.06.09 20:05:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Cahura Ridacal on 09/06/2008 21:02:33

My first post...I'm so nervous :) I'm 8 days into my regular subscription. I play solo, for now. Being in a corp seems too much like working in RL. I'll probably get blown up countless times, but it keeps me on my toes, and maybe I'll learn a thing or two. I like to pass through lowsec numerous times just to see what happens. I still haven't fired on anyone just for kicks...yet. Knowing me I'll take on something that I have no business taking on, just for fun. I just buy insurance and have an up-to-date clone.

The great thing is that EVE gives me the option of joining a group at some point. I doubt I will though. Mostly for the reasons stated in the post above by Diarrhea Aguilera.


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