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Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2008.05.27 03:51:00 - [121]
 

Ah the northern napfest.

MM doing not much of anything.
Hydra ratting in carriers.
Pure fighting over plexes in the cosmos constellation.

Oh, and lets not forget their shares of isk farmers that pay into their respective renter alliances :)

MineralOel Steuer
Amarr
OP EC
Posted - 2008.05.27 04:45:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Loyal Servant
Ah the northern napfest.

MM doing not much of anything.
Hydra ratting in carriers.
Pure fighting over plexes in the cosmos constellation.

Oh, and lets not forget their shares of isk farmers that pay into their respective renter alliances :)


oww a ex MC try to be funny

why don't you run from the fight away, about it?

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.27 07:03:00 - [123]
 

Oh and thanks for all the escrows in QCWA btw Very Happy

Kedo
Caldari
Chaotic Justice
Posted - 2008.05.27 07:12:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Mei Han
Quote:
In the end, as much as i hate the situation, i commend the NC leaders for doing what they did. Because frankly... they couldn't have taken INSRG without those numbers. And i think they agree with me.


Well I do not think they are. Because you see.. there are 2 ways of getting rid of a bug.One, driving it outside the window, and two, hitting it with the 400 paged book you have in your arm's reach.

The only difference between insurgency and the bug, is that the bug does not claim victory because of the "book" usage.


That is the problem with NC logic, book size does matter because well you see having a book that big does not come down to an issue if you can kill the fly with the book, but rather that time pauses (lag) reverses (rubberbanding) while this book is trying to hit the fly.

I am not even apart of this war, but find it ironic on how far people are willing to zerg to save pixels. Stations should be fought on an instanced battlefield and server, set a few days after an initial declare of attack (time for both sides to prep), with even numbers.

This game in my opinion should come down to a test of skill rather then numbers. A place where a 50 man corp could compete and not have to join an alliance if they plan to hold any 0.0 for longer then a week. Unfortunately the way the game mechanics are now, they support numbers over skills, lag over tactics.

This is why we see large alliance battles, system crashes and lag.

Kyrie Elaison
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.27 07:36:00 - [125]
 

So, let me see if I get the gist of the thread. No-name nobodies are whining that people like MM, Razor, etc. are beating them like red-headed stepchildren. God forbid you own up to your ineptitude, it must be something else, right?

Veldya
Caldari
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.05.27 07:56:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Gar Ddhen
The vast majority of Insurgency enjoyed the fight in and around QCWA /D4R etc, I think the major beef with the numbers thing from my point of view wasnt the problem with being outnumbered, but the lag it brought, which denied many an enjoyable fight.


I remember reading battle reports of insurgency camping cyno jammed system gates with large numbers of carriers and ships with all fighters/drones deployed which we know is the number one cause of jump/warp lag. AIs drain a lot of system resources.

Lag might bad for both parties but tends to favor those that are already deployed in the system.

Everyone prefers fights with no lag or no significant lag but it doesn't sound like Insurgency left Branch to avoid laggy fights.

If Insurgency is going to survive as large entity they really need to pick up the pieces and move on, a significant number of Insurgency corps joined the alliance this year and you can't sustain an entity of that size and be nothing more than Empire vigilantes. A lot of people love the small scale Empire/low-sec fights but they don't join a 2000 strong alliance to do so.

People join the big alliances to achieve something bigger and the statistics do not bode well for the defeated alliances that hang around to be a pain to the conquerer. You will bleed corps and you will vanish into obscurity and insignificance and Insurgency and the corps that form it and the people that form it deserve better.

You got your pants pulled down and you got sodomized but EVE is constantly evolving and the opportunities are endless. If Insurgency bounces back like an alliance of significance then I am sure they will do okay. If they wallow in loathing and self-pity then it will be grim.

You guys fought like demons, put up a good fight. Don't let that be the last thing you achieve in EVE.

Le Cardinal
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.05.27 08:06:00 - [127]
 

I had a lot of respect for Insurg when they were in fountain. Hell, even parts of the fight in north, at least in the very beginning. You fielded impressive numbers to start with. When it became evident that you would lose the fight, numbers started to drop heavily an loads of smack ensued. Only the hardcore loyal members fought to the end. Thats how it is in most alliances when it become evident that end is near.

Bitterness? Can understand that ofc, natural reaction. Empire war? Well, it will last a short while, you will get a new offer in 0.0/find a new place to live, and war ends. I bet that the war wont last more than a month max before your tired of it and ur members want back to 0.0 to sustain their wallets and get some real pvp again. You can quote me on that and ill eat it with butter and jam if im wrong.

It is, however, sad to see that individuals from Insurg ruins a name that once had respect from the community.

Mr Phail
Amarr
Failswarm
Posted - 2008.05.27 09:17:00 - [128]
 

lol @ INSRG tears

Tell you what, you guys post on COAD when you've achieved anything other than a 10-20 to 1 empire or NPCer gank.

You cry about numbers, but thats all your gank squads are about - how much 'skillz' does it take to kill a lone raven with 20 HACS?

Because thats all it seems you are capabable of doing. Look at your killboard, you haven't won a stand-up fight for as long as I can remember. But cry more about it, your salty tears give me strength.


Saltire
Caldari
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2008.05.27 09:35:00 - [129]
 

lock this thread pls, minigin you trolling little turd.... you're making us look like a bunch of knobs. STFU right now.

Gar Ddhen
Gallente
Inspired Beginnings
Posted - 2008.05.27 10:45:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Mr Phail
lol @ INSRG tears

Tell you what, you guys post on COAD when you've achieved anything other than a 10-20 to 1 empire or NPCer gank.

You cry about numbers, but thats all your gank squads are about - how much 'skillz' does it take to kill a lone raven with 20 HACS?

Because thats all it seems you are capabable of doing. Look at your killboard, you haven't won a stand-up fight for as long as I can remember. But cry more about it, your salty tears give me strength.




Oh, its the Troll again. get back under your bridge and post with your main.

xHomicide
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.27 11:21:00 - [131]
 

Listening to Insurgency on these forums is almost as entertaining as listening to them on their ventrilo.

Mr Phail
Amarr
Failswarm
Posted - 2008.05.27 11:28:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Gar Ddhen
Originally by: Mr Phail
lol @ INSRG tears

Tell you what, you guys post on COAD when you've achieved anything other than a 10-20 to 1 empire or NPCer gank.

You cry about numbers, but thats all your gank squads are about - how much 'skillz' does it take to kill a lone raven with 20 HACS?

Because thats all it seems you are capabable of doing. Look at your killboard, you haven't won a stand-up fight for as long as I can remember. But cry more about it, your salty tears give me strength.




Oh, its the Troll again. get back under your bridge and post with your main.


And you are like a stuck record, crying about the injustice that is COAD and how dare people not post with a character which meets 'your' approval. You don't need to post with a long-established eve character to point out the simple truth, and that makes you bitter, doesn't it.

Back to the facts. I suggest you look at INSRG's killboard for all the evidence of failure cascade you could ever hope for. Gotta love the efficiency of their new campaign against MM Laughing

Gustav Seriya
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2008.05.27 11:33:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Zhada
I officially proclaim this thread Minigin VS. the rest of EVE, why don't you go complain about it, seems it's all your good for anymore.


^ Entirely accurate.

The rest of Insurgency are hanging our heads in disbelief that this thread was even created. We got whooped recently, we're getting on with EVE, and there's nothing to see here but one of our number who is now due 'a stern talking to'.

MAXSuicide
Caldari
Core Impulse
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:28:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Earthan


Yuo know thats what gets me mad with you "elitist pvp club" guys , its your total hipocrisy.

What you guys do daily is roama round and gank lonely unprepared targets in belts/gates.Odds are usually 10-20 to 1.

Now when odds are against you , only on a biger scale , its oh my god oh my god no honour.



well lets be honest here mate, its not like u guys usually win the fleet fights either ..even when ur outnumbering them with 5:1 odds +

cant believe this 'omg u gank idiot npcers (that should be reading their alliance chat for warnings and/or local for new entries) 10:1 odds!!' whine is still around after all these years.

Hardrock Miner
Caldari
OUTLAND MINING
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:55:00 - [135]
 

So 1 20 man corp left? who cares?? in my opinion alot of other stuff left with them.
GL to em!ugh

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:03:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Fred0 on 27/05/2008 13:03:31
20 Players would represent around 1% of INSRG. You've lost somewhere around 15% of your membership in the last 30 days.

Blight1
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.27 13:24:00 - [137]
 

the ones that bail, well you didnt want them on your team anyway(no meme intended).

I have much respect for those that stand behind their alliance in the good times and the bad.

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:21:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Blight1
the ones that bail, well you didnt want them on your team anyway(no meme intended).

I have much respect for those that stand behind their alliance in the good times and the bad.


We left Insurgency, and I consider our corp pretty capable, and tough little nuts. So let me tell you why we left, its pretty simple really Smile

We've been there pretty much from the start, since the war in Venal war against NNC took off about 9 months ago. Through the good and the bad, we've contributed, and always more than you would expect from a corp our size. We left not because things were tough (our corp participation was really high during the very tough times), but we were very honest and open that we could not work with C4, the new alliance leader.

If Darth had remained as leader, we'd still be in the alliance right now. He was the glue, in our opinion, which held a bunch of very random corps together. When Darth stepped down, we knew we could no longer make it work, so it was better for everyone that we moved on. We didn't join, and would not have joined, with C4 as leader. There were other factors, but they were related to Darth being AFK from leading, if I am honest with you.

Of course, each corp then has to make their own choice. We did ours by a vote, and the stay in INSRG option recieved 0 (zero) votes. So we had to go.

There are some GREAT corps and people in INSRG, but Darth really held things together and prevented factionalism. Between Darth stepping down and C4 stepping up there was a void of leadership, and no-one felt able to make decisions. It was then we started to think INSRG wasn't for us (we like direction), and C4 being appointed leader sealed the deal for us personally.

I personally like 99% of the people in INSRG, and wish them the very best of luck.



La5eR
Amarr
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:28:00 - [139]
 

Can I have some fries with that please?

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.05.27 16:32:00 - [140]
 

Thread lacks more me ugh

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2008.05.27 16:39:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Splagada on 27/05/2008 16:39:32
minigin invented the "tonight we dine in NOL" and a couple really good one liners :p

miss ya mate!

Privavarian
Gallente
BENEVOLENC3
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2008.05.27 17:01:00 - [142]
 

I think Minigin has some serious IRL issuesLaughing


I wonder if minigin walks the talk in game aswell..

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.05.27 17:12:00 - [143]
 

Oh c'mon boys, is this how it should end? In just another smackfest?

We know that we blobbed, you never did. Confirmed
We smack, you don't. Confirmed
We suck, you don't. Confirmed
We nap everyone, you don't. Confirmed
We won, you don't. Confirmed

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.27 17:48:00 - [144]
 

posting in a minigin-colour-improved-thread Very Happy

Gar Ddhen
Gallente
Inspired Beginnings
Posted - 2008.05.27 19:13:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Mr Phail
Originally by: Gar Ddhen
Originally by: Mr Phail
lol @ INSRG tears

Tell you what, you guys post on COAD when you've achieved anything other than a 10-20 to 1 empire or NPCer gank.

You cry about numbers, but thats all your gank squads are about - how much 'skillz' does it take to kill a lone raven with 20 HACS?

Because thats all it seems you are capabable of doing. Look at your killboard, you haven't won a stand-up fight for as long as I can remember. But cry more about it, your salty tears give me strength.




Oh, its the Troll again. get back under your bridge and post with your main.


And you are like a stuck record, crying about the injustice that is COAD and how dare people not post with a character which meets 'your' approval. You don't need to post with a long-established eve character to point out the simple truth, and that makes you bitter, doesn't it.

Back to the facts. I suggest you look at INSRG's killboard for all the evidence of failure cascade you could ever hope for. Gotta love the efficiency of their new campaign against MM Laughing


Stuck record? Perhaps, though how stuck is a record that has posted on CAOD perhaps 3 or 4 times? Possibly far less so than one whos vitriol and lack of any redeeming character (that would be you) leaves a rather unpleasant taste in the mouth.

Personally, I will admit I have a slight bias in this as I flew for Insurgency, there are a lot of great guys and superb pilots in that alliance, there are a lot of great guys and superb Pilots in the NC. I have a great deal of respect for both Insurgency, and the guys we fought while I flew with Insurgency, but thats me, I like to engender a respect for my opponants as it makes the game more enjoyable.

I hold no bitterness for the campaign, what happened before, or what happened after. We came, we saw, we fought, and we fought damned hard, and we got our backsides kicked, thats the nature of Eve. I had a lot of fun doing it though, as did a large number of pilots on both sides. And that, to me, is what matters.

I respect the people I flew alongside and flew against, I have nothing but contempt for the pathetic mewlings of a wannabe somebody who appears to believe that by posting sordid vitriol they make themselves important.

I may be a 'stuck record', but at least I grew up out of the playground insults.

Whorder
Minmatar
Marshmellow Shipping Company
Posted - 2008.05.27 20:33:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Kedo
*stuff*


You obviously don't get Eve at all. It's as much of skill during specific battles as it is an economic, politics and diplomatic battle.

So either start "getting it" or...

<--------- WoW is that way

Sicori Malaki
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.28 03:44:00 - [147]
 

Eve is about gaining power.
Some decide to stand alone and attempt at taking power by themselves, but unfortunately this isn't some fantasy novel where the lone kingdom stood against hordes of evil monsters and won in the end, Eve doesn't work like that.

Tell yourself that the NC is an evil naptrain, but the truth is The NC is playing the game the smart way. Yes we have alot of blues, but to us they aren't "just another blue guy", they are our friends and friends stick together no matter what.

Sorry Insurgency, but you lost.
Roam around our space all you want, brag about killing us in empire or low sec all you want.

simply, We dont care.

We dont care about those in empire.
We dont care about the people who are moving alone and don't listen to intel channels.
We dont care about stupid people.

For every kill that you make, your doing us a favour, your cutting the fat, your burning it, shaping it into something that it isn't today. For everyone you kill, you have tought a lesson, a lesson we can't teach on our own.

For every loner you kill you have tought him to listen to intel channels.

A burnt baby avoids the fire.

For the moment you are just playthings, tell yourself that you matter and your alive and kicking and you will come to get us.
If you come for real, we will kick you down, over and over and over again until you stop being sore losers.

I think many people in Insurgency don't get Eve, and for them here's a quote from Whorder.
Originally by: Whorder

<--------- WoW is that way

Ackaroth
Gallente
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.05.28 05:17:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: MineralOel Steuer
Originally by: Piper Halliwell
Inside source tells me that NCC napped Guristas and INSRG is now being attacked in the belts.

C/D?


This doesn't make sense, because if they are Carebears why would they want to nap gurista (killing rats is a main source of income from so called carebears).

tbh, your humor fails as much as your Alliance


ITT: Ex-TRI or w/e alt takes Internet spaceships game waaay too seriously.

Couldn't be arsed to read all 5 pages, so toss off if this has already been said a few times.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.05.28 13:22:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Sicori Malaki

Tell yourself that the NC is an evil naptrain, but the truth is The NC is playing the game the smart way. Yes we have alot of blues, but to us they aren't "just another blue guy", they are our friends and friends stick together no matter what.



No your playing the numbers game until the node cant hold and the deffender dont have a chance, you can call it smart, boreing or what ever.

dosnt change the fact that your as skill less goonswarm

Menellaix
Gallente
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.28 14:52:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Lilan Kahn
dosnt change the fact that your as skill less goonswarm


ure poasts maik fuhnee

But seriously, you are playing EVE. You know, that one game, with the math. The winner is the guy who balances the equation first.

If you can't use a calculator, there are plenty of other MMOs...


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