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TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.02.18 20:26:00 - [451]
 

when Shrike last lost a titan there were 29 dreadnoughts [url=http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/304971]involved[/url]. Only one of them was a naglfar and it was 24th for damage.

so basically only 1 in 30 dreads in eve that are being fielded. Are minmatar and thay hitting for disappointingly low damage. Of course we all already know this........ unless you are the game design team at CCPSad

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.18 21:02:00 - [452]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 18/02/2009 21:01:45
Originally by: TimGascoigne
when Shrike last lost a titan there were 29 dreadnoughts [url=http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/304971]involved[/url]. Only one of them was a naglfar and it was 24th for damage.

so basically only 1 in 30 dreads in eve that are being fielded. Are minmatar and thay hitting for disappointingly low damage. Of course we all already know this........ unless you are the game design team at CCPSad


We non-ironically asked Naglfars specifically to do something on an op and everyone was amazed we actually had a naglfar! It was a russian though so it doesn't really count as an anomaly.

I wouldn't even say 1/30 people fly the nag, discounting Russians I'd say it was closer to 1/100.

Maraleith
Gallente
Metalstorm Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.19 22:14:00 - [453]
 

Guys

As I have posted before.

Please. Just stop whining.

CCP have acknowledged your concerns and promised to deliver a review of capitals. Don't hold your breath on any change as CCP simply don't care. They would have ensured something was done this coming patch if they did.

The Naglfar is the worst dread by an order of magnitude. You know it. They know it but CCP's lack of attention to rectification is a willfull conscious decision. It is not a function of prioritsation as capital changes have been mooted months ago. It is a deliberate game management decision.

Nothing you do or say will change it. No matter how right you are, no matter how valid your suggestions; CCP are incapable of admitting error and reacting quickly. That is the irrefutable conclusion to be drawn from past minnie ship rebalances.

CCP have openly stated they want noobs and not vets and capitals are a vet's toy. At 50k members, they are focussing on the bottom line and things that affect just a small portion of the player base such as minnie ships are ignored because not many pilots fly them.

Simply cross train into Amarr; they are now the FOTM ably supported by massive changes in their favour. It's the only solution to poor game design and CCP's arrogance in the lack of attention given to this ship.

You know it makes sense......

SK Rooster
No Trademark
Posted - 2009.02.19 23:32:00 - [454]
 

Originally by: Yorda

The Naglfar:

In order to compete, the Naglfar needs to spend four of it's low slots on damage modules leaving it with a 5 slot shield tank. Unfortunatly it cannot target to sniping range without a sensor booster, so it is left with a 4 slot shield tank. This leaves it with the weakest tank and lowest effective hp of the four dreads. On top of this, it needs two co-processors to fit everything.




this is YOUR opinion, just because minmatar doesnt fit into your cookie cutter setup, doesnt mean it is useless. if you dont like the ship, train for another race that is more your style. this is not necessarily a matter of what race is 'better' but obviously more one of different from your playstyle.

that being said yes the naglfar sucks. how about get creative and put a triple trimark with 1x damage mod, and 1x captial armor rep. then you can put all the fukken sensor boosters you want. you are going to get outdamaged with 4x damage mods any way, so stop trying.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.20 03:38:00 - [455]
 

Originally by: SK Rooster
Originally by: Yorda

The Naglfar:

In order to compete, the Naglfar needs to spend four of it's low slots on damage modules leaving it with a 5 slot shield tank. Unfortunatly it cannot target to sniping range without a sensor booster, so it is left with a 4 slot shield tank. This leaves it with the weakest tank and lowest effective hp of the four dreads. On top of this, it needs two co-processors to fit everything.




this is YOUR opinion, just because minmatar doesnt fit into your cookie cutter setup, doesnt mean it is useless. if you dont like the ship, train for another race that is more your style. this is not necessarily a matter of what race is 'better' but obviously more one of different from your playstyle.

that being said yes the naglfar sucks. how about get creative and put a triple trimark with 1x damage mod, and 1x captial armor rep. then you can put all the fukken sensor boosters you want. you are going to get outdamaged with 4x damage mods any way, so stop trying.


Amazingly enough I was taking the best possible fit for the naglfar in comparison with the others. Yes, you can armor tank it and you don't need fitting mods but then you get literally half the damage of every other dread while having a weaker tank that's more cap stable. I know the appeal of doing the damage of a blaster mega while tanking as much as a chimera might appeal to you, but for 1.6 billion isk I'd rather actually get something out of my dread.



Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.02.20 04:19:00 - [456]
 

Edited by: Shai ''Hulud on 20/02/2009 08:23:09
Originally by: Maraleith
Guys

As I have posted before.

Please. Just stop whining.
Please. Just stop reading.

The only way we, as a player base, can display that we do care about this issue and consider it to be of high priority is to state such.

If you don't agree - fine. But telling us that you agree, yet we need to shut up because nothing has been done yet, is simply idiotic. Feel free to avoid this thread if you think it is such a waste of time Wink

Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.02.20 04:39:00 - [457]
 

Can't argue against that.

Supported.

jimmybeech
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.02.20 12:09:00 - [458]
 

minmatar caps need lovin. Nag's slot layout and split weapons config needs looking at. Surely a dread should be totally focused tool of destruction, Jack of all trades master of none just doesn't cut next to a Rev or a moros.



signed/

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom

Posted - 2009.02.21 06:45:00 - [459]
 

o/

pyklet uk1
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.02.21 10:01:00 - [460]
 

Love the RUST,

Pls don't make me train shiney gold stuff's, they use kittens to polish them don't you know!

Vertical Axis
Posted - 2009.02.21 21:29:00 - [461]
 

Edited by: Vertical Axis on 21/02/2009 21:29:08
The fact that it's been 9 months with no response other than a completely generalized "we are looking at all capital ships" response ticks me off to an insane degree. It's horrible PR and it indicates a complete lack of caring.

Get off your a**es and do something, CCP.

Zenethalos
Minmatar
Doesn't Afraid Of Anything
Posted - 2009.02.22 08:05:00 - [462]
 

Edited by: Zenethalos on 22/02/2009 08:06:45
Originally by: Vertical Axis
Edited by: Vertical Axis on 21/02/2009 21:29:08
The fact that it's been 9 months with no response other than a completely generalized "we are looking at all capital ships" response ticks me off to an insane degree. It's horrible PR and it indicates a complete lack of caring.

Get off your a**es and do something, CCP.

^this
I'm sure most of us have given up by now and started training for the Rev. With Dreads being such a prominent force on the for front of large scale 0.0 combat you think they would take a serious look at this issue. Maybe they are just waiting for every nag pilot to give up and cross train to another race like most of us seem to have.

Don't forget that going nuts with the nurf bat can be very tiring. I'm sure they are just relaxing off the taxing act of not doing any thing productive.

Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.02.22 11:46:00 - [463]
 

Perhaps most upsetting, a naglfar fix would be incredibly simple to implement. They can spare enough man-power to implement walking in stations, but can't have one guy go adjust the attributes of a ship???

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2009.02.23 03:48:00 - [464]
 

Edited by: Yaay on 23/02/2009 04:15:04

Nag has the highest dps of all caps if set for gank. I think it's a good tradeoff for what the ship does. You don't want gank, train for another ship, it's the beauty of the game.


*For Pos shooting, it's totally ****, but for hot drops, it can be nice as hell depending on how you use it.

Ultimately, it's not the nag that needs changing, it's dreads, capitals, and all of their ****tyness that need changing in addition to pos warfare as a whole.

If you want go by the logic in this thread though, everyone and their brother should be in a Revelation and lets call it a day.

Moros drones are clumsy and removable, and blasters are just a joke the devs made up one day, Phoenix missles are lol, there is no cruise version and it's cap is worse than watching paint dry, and nag cant do tank and gank well even with lots of skills to train.

But the Rev, Best DPS consistently, gank setup is near that of Nag. Cap recharge is just sexy, and it's tank makes POS cry. Not to mention it rox with pulse or beam setups. So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.23 04:41:00 - [465]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14
Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw.

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2009.02.23 07:44:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14
Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw.


this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more. The phoenix is **** yet half of goons fly those right? PL at least got that one right when they banned them.

Vir Hellnamin
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.02.23 08:29:00 - [467]
 

Quote:

tl;dr Fix the naglfar and nidhoggur.



good enough. :)

Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.02.23 13:09:00 - [468]
 

Originally by: Yaay
So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay
this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me ugh

Cpt Lumis
Posted - 2009.02.23 15:13:00 - [469]
 

If we give up then nothing will happen. I for one will keep posting till they change the damn thing or delete the post. Then I will start another. I cant let getting ignored make me give up. Or at the very least grow some balls and say screw you guys its not changing.

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2009.02.23 23:51:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Shai 'Hulud
Originally by: Yaay
So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay
this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me ugh


Somewhere in the lostness, I pointed out the obsurdity of the whines. The ship does what it does, like it or hate it.

If it does get a boost, I think the only viable one is to tweak capital missle damage. Short of hitting a slow flying yet oddly stationary brick wall, capital missiles are fubar.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.24 02:41:00 - [471]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 02:43:05
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 23/02/2009 04:41:14
Oh thank god, for a second there I thought Yaay supported my thread and I was going to try and get it deleted before anyone saw.


this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more. The phoenix is **** yet half of goons fly those right? PL at least got that one right when they banned them.


I'm amazed by how stupid you are every time you post, and I've seen you FC!

Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Shai 'Hulud
Originally by: Yaay
So really, lets just all fly revs and quit the emo sessions please.
Originally by: Yaay
this game has turned cookie cutter enough, it doesn't need to be more.
You lost me ugh


Somewhere in the lostness, I pointed out the obsurdity of the whines. The ship does what it does, like it or hate it.

If it does get a boost, I think the only viable one is to tweak capital missle damage. Short of hitting a slow flying yet oddly stationary brick wall, capital missiles are fubar.


Hmm, yes CCP please boost missile damage so the phoenix I'm training for is even stronger tia.

Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.24 07:16:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 23:31:22
If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:

1. You're a complete idiot
2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without drones both do more
3. You're a complete idiot
4. Get out of my thread.

EDIT: Totally meant drones not clones.

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.02.24 07:43:00 - [473]
 

Edited by: Dianeces on 24/02/2009 07:47:46
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 07:23:56
If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:

1. You're a complete idiot
2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without clones both do more
3. You're a complete idiot
4. Get out of my thread.


5. Your intel sucks. (PL hasn't banned Phoenixes.)

Edit: No wonder you guys are losing so bad right now.

lahoj
Posted - 2009.02.25 01:20:00 - [474]
 

yes

Blih Nox
Gallente
Aliastra

Posted - 2009.02.25 01:25:00 - [475]
 

signed

w00tle
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.25 13:59:00 - [476]
 

Edited by: w00tle on 25/02/2009 14:03:22
hurry the hell up and do something about this

Rek Esket
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.25 18:06:00 - [477]
 

This

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2009.02.26 03:56:00 - [478]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Edited by: Dianeces on 24/02/2009 07:47:46
Originally by: Yorda
Edited by: Yorda on 24/02/2009 07:23:56
If you havn't figured this out yet Yaay:

1. You're a complete idiot
2. The nag does not have the highest dps of a gank dread (both blaster moros's (7k), and revs do more (5.7k)) EDIT: Even without clones both do more
3. You're a complete idiot
4. Get out of my thread.


5. Your intel sucks. (PL hasn't banned Phoenixes.)

Edit: No wonder you guys are losing so bad right now.



My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.

Yorda:

Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.

As for being an idiot, meh.




Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.26 16:21:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: Yaay

My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.

Yorda:

Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.

As for being an idiot, meh.



I think you missed point 4.

Efrim Black
Gallente
Thanatos Industries
Posted - 2009.02.26 18:32:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Yaay

My mistake, I guess the several PL who have said as much are offset by the one dread that a guy is flying... so let me clarify that. PL heavily encourages turret dread use. However, due to people's nubbery, I'm sure it will take time til all pilots are swapped over. When it comes to dreads though, any dread is better than 1 less.

Yorda:

Nag does slightly more dps than a rev with the same effective hp, You're right about the moros, never even considered it before I posted, but then honestly, who's ever used a blaster moros. I've at least seen a pulse or auto setup or 2 in my time.

As for being an idiot, meh.



I think you missed point 4.


Stop it Yorda, I don't want to like a Goon. Twisted Evil


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