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Pawus Deco
Scalar Tech
Posted - 2009.08.11 19:40:00 - [481]
 

/signed

Epegi Givo
Amarr
Department of Redundancy Dpt.

Posted - 2009.08.12 06:38:00 - [482]
 

Most people will say "Hey, if you kill someone IRL, all their stuff wouldn't go to you, it would go to his family (Which a corp is as close as pod-pilots come to families).

However, this isn't RL. This is internet spaceships. Yes, the current mechanic is dumb.

yes, this idea is a great improvement.

Lilith Wolf
Temporary Stasis
Posted - 2009.08.21 09:52:00 - [483]
 

Edited by: Lilith Wolf on 21/08/2009 09:52:44

How about we get a statement from CCP ?
This bull**** has been in the Game for far to long.

Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.22 00:12:00 - [484]
 

+1

zombiedeadhead
Minmatar
The Tuskers

Posted - 2009.08.22 06:01:00 - [485]
 

Signed.

Audi Amarr
Amarr
First Flying Wing Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:25:00 - [486]
 

Edited by: Audi Amarr on 23/08/2009 14:14:31
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 23/05/2008 12:06:25
Personally I don't think so. Strictly speaking, these 'spoils of battle' do not change ownership just because you blow their ships up. Think about it, how can you put a claim on something before you've grabbed it off the enemy carcass?

edit: grammar


Scagga Laebetrovo need to "Shut it"

Agreed on both topics posted:
Arrow If you loot the ship, you should be Flagged by Everyone on the Killmail, lets keep it fair. This should also flag you and start an Aggression countdown not allowing you to run and Dock right away.

Arrow CCP you’re playing too hard for the Carebare, we also play and have rights. Consider this on your next Nerf/Decision plz.






Dalwin
Posted - 2009.08.23 17:19:00 - [487]
 

Originally by: Skogen Gump
I definitely support this. Whilst I agree there should be some moderation in what you can actually do, wreck looting is a punishment-less crime at the moment.

For example, in Frarn there is a rogue looter who steals items from LVL4 missions, apparently by scanning them down. How can this be fair to the person running the mission?

Someone suggested that it makes sense that you can't 'claim' something you've just killed, but I'm sure you could call it in terms of Salvage rights - perhaps this could be a voluntary thing ? you can opt to let anyone loot your wrecks, or that it only be members of you gang/corp/alliance ?

Anyway - I strongly support this, it's incredibly frustrating to have your loot pinched.


I agree with the OP fully, but also like your idea about being able to waive your loot rights. It is pretty common that I am mining in and area where I leave behind a bunch of npc wrecks that I have no intention of picking up.

I'd just as soon give them to someone else, or even just open them to all comers.

Dalwin
Posted - 2009.08.23 17:24:00 - [488]
 

Edited by: Dalwin on 23/08/2009 17:25:53
Originally by: Sigul Siento
Edited by: Sigul Siento on 23/05/2008 13:18:13
Originally by: The Jackhammer

Then why is it when someone loots from an NPC wreck i've risked my ship to kill is FLAGGED to me ...

PLEASE ... TELL me the difference ...

/support





The DIFFERENCE, is that NPC's are there to provide pve. It would be meaningless if dead NPC's should have the lootrights to their own wrecks.

But why should you get rights to the loot of someone you just attacked? It would make no sense if the game mechanics were to say that the wreckage/loot of a player ship blown up as a result of unprovoked aggression were to belong to the aggressor.

The system is fine as it is.


Your reply would make more sense if the looter were at least in the original victim's corp or possibly even alliance.

The complaint here is that a unrelated 3rd party is able to safely steal from a wreck to which he clearly has no right at all.

Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
Posted - 2009.08.23 21:16:00 - [489]
 

Edited by: Yakov Draken on 23/08/2009 21:16:09
Supported

Mace Gando
Posted - 2009.08.29 20:38:00 - [490]
 

i totally agree happened to me when i pirated all the time

Berdoff Manard
Posted - 2009.08.29 22:31:00 - [491]
 

ugh

Berdoff Manard
Posted - 2009.08.29 22:31:00 - [492]
 

oops I forgot the checkbox

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.08.30 00:17:00 - [493]
 

Edited by: Marlona Sky on 30/08/2009 00:20:38
If you ever stepped foot into low sec, 0.0 or wormhole space, then you would be able to shoot them if you wanted.

Have you guys ever tried those areas of the game?

EDIT: On another note, it is your own fault anyways. You normally have 20 people there for the one kill and alts not in privateers to remote rep you guys, so between the 30+ people you have there to loot the wreck it is snatched up my some other guy, then good for that other guy for actually dragging and dropping faster. Laughing

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.08.30 03:42:00 - [494]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 30/08/2009 03:46:21

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Have you guys ever tried those areas of the game?


Why when we can take ships from you guys without having to travel: CLICKY

1 year 3 months / 17 pages of replies / this thread ... Funny you didn't have anything constructive to say Crying or Very sad UNTIL our war dec went active Wink

BTW: Fail attempt on making this a Privateer issue rather than a game mechanic issue ...


Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.08.30 15:15:00 - [495]
 

Edited by: Marlona Sky on 01/09/2009 12:41:18
Originally by: The PitBoss
Edited by: The PitBoss on 30/08/2009 03:46:21

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Have you guys ever tried those areas of the game?


Why when we can take ships from you guys without having to travel: CLICKY

1 year 3 months / 17 pages of replies / this thread ... Funny you didn't have anything constructive to say Crying or Very sad UNTIL our war dec went active Wink

BTW: Fail attempt on making this a Privateer issue rather than a game mechanic issue ...




My appologies on not using kid gloves on this thread. I was simply being blunt on the facts. Let me rephrase in a more loving and less offensive way so no parties that read this do not get @#$%hurt over it.

Like in all games, the mechanics of the game have to have a balance to them. Pro's and Con's if you will.

Empire war decs have the leasure of being able to eliminate most peoples involvment in your combat because they can't shoot or they will be Concorded you see? Thus for those parties not involved in the war dec are very limited in what they can do outside of just watching the fight. They can assist one of the parties and become flagged and be a part of the fight, or they can try thier luck and see if they can 'steal' from a wreck of one of the victims of the battle. I am sure there are some other ways but back to my point.

By stealing, they are flagged to the owner of the wreck and the corp the owner is part of, provided it is not a npc corp. This can be done by simply dragging and dropping the items from the wreck to thier own cargo bay. Just like the attacker can do.

By your suggestion, they would become flagged not only to the owners corporation but to those involved in killing said person as well. This would throw off the balance of high sec war decs. Your suggestion would gear this mechanic more towards "Hello Kitty" style game play or like when two WoW players drop a flag and duel. Extremely boring.

The current mechanic works fine. If you want the loot, simply be faster at stealing. After all, they are stealing from the owner of the wreck, not you. There is no major issue (if any) at all.

No support.

BTW: 1 year 3 months / 17 pages of replies / this thread ... Privateers have war deced TRI well more than just this one time. I promise you it is coincidence that I replied during one of your alliances war decs on us. I was compeled to be blunt about the fact of that out of all the people who could have stolen the loot from the privateers side they are complaining about neutral parties stealing before them. So enough of the kill mail linking, spinning of words, desperate attempts to turn attention away from the fact that because someone was able to drag and drop faster than you, you want a game mechanic changed.

I hope this reply was more affectionate and loving and no feelings were hurt in the process. If you still feel that you need to link more killboard stuff, or discuss your war decs, no one is stoping you from starting a thread on COAD.

Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:31:00 - [496]
 

Edited by: Slave 775 on 04/09/2009 13:31:00
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 01/09/2009 12:41:18

By your suggestion, they would become flagged not only to the owners corporation but to those involved in killing said person as well. This would throw off the balance of high sec war decs. Your suggestion would gear this mechanic more towards "Hello Kitty" style game play or like when two WoW players drop a flag and duel. Extremely boring.



Please excuse my harsh words, if your responce was ironic or sarcastic and i didn't notice it.

But this is by far the dumbest thing i saw in this whole thread.
Not thinking much lately aren't we ?


Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.09.04 14:01:00 - [497]
 

Edited by: Tiny Tove on 04/09/2009 14:04:20
This is about dual pvp wreck ownership yes? Yes. Good. Support that. It would be a great step forward, with no drawbacks.

Edit: No, it's about parallel or multiple wreck ownership. Still Supported!

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.09.04 15:15:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Slave 775
Edited by: Slave 775 on 04/09/2009 13:31:00
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 01/09/2009 12:41:18

By your suggestion, they would become flagged not only to the owners corporation but to those involved in killing said person as well. This would throw off the balance of high sec war decs. Your suggestion would gear this mechanic more towards "Hello Kitty" style game play or like when two WoW players drop a flag and duel. Extremely boring.



Please excuse my harsh words, if your responce was ironic or sarcastic and i didn't notice it.

But this is by far the dumbest thing i saw in this whole thread.
Not thinking much lately aren't we ?




Nice informative reply.

I am simply saying because some one steals faster than you, you want a game mechanic change implimented.

That is the OP's argument correct? I mean take away all the sugar coating and fluff and that is what is left. Correct me if I am wrong.

Sanguis Fluibant
Amarr
The Guiding Greg Social and Best Friend Club
Posted - 2009.09.05 20:09:00 - [499]
 

/signed


ElCholo
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2009.09.21 23:54:00 - [500]
 

I support this cause / post.

Gideon Kross
Caldari
Kross Industries Ltd

Posted - 2009.09.22 17:20:00 - [501]
 

Shocked Can't believe I'm actually agreeing with a Privateer...

I Support the concept, and I think I have a thoery on how it could be coded (post to appear soon™).

Good Stuff PB.

Cool

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2009.09.22 20:23:00 - [502]
 

this looks like an opportunity to say Tallywackers!

Xelius Dax
Ministry of War

Posted - 2009.09.23 04:13:00 - [503]
 

I support this request.

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.10.30 20:28:00 - [504]
 

Just a little bump Wink


De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.10.30 20:41:00 - [505]
 

Edited by: De''Veldrin on 30/10/2009 20:47:10
Originally by: Audi Amarr
Arrow CCP you’re playing too hard for the Carebare, we also play and have rights. Consider this on your next Nerf/Decision plz.




Actually, you don't have rights. You have the priviledge, granted by CCP, to log in. That's all any of us has. You may leave your sense of self-entitlement at the door.

Edit: I went back and read the OP for this thread. It's been kikcing around a while now.

I'd support a dual flagging mechanic.

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2009.10.31 02:52:00 - [506]
 

it should be like this:

Kill someone in a way that does NOT incur GCC (0.0, wartarget, they aggressed you first) = loot is yours

Kill them in a way that DOES incur GCC = wreck it theirs, and if someone ninjas the loot they are flagged to the victim.

That seems fair to me, and ostensibly as a pirate it would be to my "disadvantage" ;)


Biku Edwuan
Posted - 2009.10.31 11:43:00 - [507]
 

+1

MS5
Caldari
Posted - 2009.10.31 14:59:00 - [508]
 

/support

Komi Toran
Posted - 2009.11.02 06:53:00 - [509]
 

Fully support bringing PvP loot ownership in line with PvE loot ownership...

...it's just that I think the loot should still "belong" to the thing that was killed in both cases, not the thing doing the killing. That way, in one action you'd remove the one game mechanic that two groups of whiners like to point at to support their whines (yes, I'm grouping the people in support of this change in with those who complain about ninja salvaging).

As has been stated, if you want to be able to shoot the person taking from the wrecks of ships you killed, it's time to come out from under CONCORD's skirt and fight in lowsec/0.0.

Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.26 23:19:00 - [510]
 

Just had loot stolen again.

now CCP may i ask how difficult it was to make:

Cans belonge to the one who drops it.
NPC Wrecks belonge to the one who started the Mission.
Make a wreck flag free for all (and if you get concorded because of a suicide run, make the suicideganker wreck free for all)

Must be difficult to programm a solution to our problem.


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