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Styre Blixtsnabb
Caldari
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.05.24 15:29:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Styre Blixtsnabb on 24/05/2008 15:30:36
Some really cool stuff from the art department there but the real question here is do I get a hat?

Oh and "Bloody Fist of Matar"? How could you not see that coming?



Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2008.05.24 15:52:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Recluse Viramor
Originally by: Dapanman1
Originally by: Recluse Viramor
So let me get this straight...

CCP is adding all this fancy FW stuff but is excluding the most loyal and active part of its player base in alliances and 0.0...

This rank system only sounds like it will further increase the divide.

Almost seems as if CCP is intentionally trying to destroy EVE as we've known it for the past 4 years, and I'm not sure for the better.ugh

The system seems like it needs to incorporate all the player base from day 1; hanging alliances and their pilots out to dry should not be an option.


"If something doesn't have an obvious and direct benefit to me it is excluding all of the playerbase and destroying the game"

If anything you are excluding yourself by being unwilling to leave your corp/alliance, CCP isn't forcing you to stay where you are.


There are corps and alliances that have spent years building their empires in 0.0. For the past few years the direction of EVE has been outward to 0.0 with continued advancement of industry, moons, and trade. Now, for the first time in perhaps the entire history of EVE there is an expansion that is going to put a screeching halt to that direction; and turn it back towards empire.

While this may only be temporary until CCP can get pirate factions involved, it may still have huge impact on existing alliances.


Every expansion CCP has released that I recall has included features that promote moving players to 0.0 and enriching the play, profits and overall fun for 0.0 corps. What is so wrong with them doing something that improves the game for empire based players which at the same time makes low sec significant?

Stop being selfish and assuming that eve and its developers must cater to your play style. It is possible for the eve experience to be improved for the majority of players even though it does not benefit you.Wink

I have never been, never wanted to be and never will be in a 0.0 corp. Heck, it would be a pay cut.Very Happy But I might give FW a try, with an alt of course. (have to protect my standings across empires).

As far as ranks go, I would like to see station services in the contested areas and in all militia installations be dependent on factional standing for their use and rank for discounts and perhaps priority to cue.

One example would be to add more research and manufacturing slots to stations in contested areas BUT only players of certain standing may use them. Give considerable discounts to players with higher ranks. If the system is lost, use of the station services in that system is lost as well as the ability to even dock at the station. Players do not loose their items, but they cannot access them until the system is retaken.

Also consider, perhaps in a future expansion, revamping the stations in the contested areas. Make them science and industry juggernauts with an immense number of science and industry slots at low cost. It gives a reason for corps and individuals to fight for their control. If rank and/or faction standing is required to access station services.... well carebears tired of high priced research POS expenses and long cues might consider FW.

Patri


Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Posted - 2008.05.24 17:10:00 - [93]
 

Folks, here's some straight dope that IMO should have been in the Ranks dev blog. Some of you will be disappointed -- I know I am, by this and by the broader emerging evidence that FW may be a game mechanic without any game rewards built into it -- but some of you who fear ranks will destroy the game ought to be relieved:
Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Ranks give no benefit or in-game effect in their current iteration.

From here.

Ranks are also standings based and are fast to get -- in just a few days of play on SISI, folks are already reporting moving up through the first seven ranks. So everybody's a general who wants to spend a week or ten days at it.

Very pretty art, but not a world-shaking game change.

Oakrayven
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.05.24 22:20:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Marlenus


Ranks are also standings based and are fast to get -- in just a few days of play on SISI, folks are already reporting moving up through the first seven ranks. So everybody's a general who wants to spend a week or ten days at it.

Very pretty art, but not a world-shaking game change.
never go by what goes on on Sisi for how things are going to be, after all ask how mutch a BC goes for on that server.

People are advancing fast through the ranks because they want to make sure that whatever mechanism they use for advancing rank works for all 4 factions for all 10 ranks. Otherwise if 1 week of PvP grinding is all it takes to go from rank I to rank X. then why the hell did they bother with ranks II through IX?


Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.05.25 08:26:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Generals? We are in fleets and ships. it should be adminral!

Agreed - they should be naval ranks.

DEVILSENIGMA
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.25 09:02:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: DEVILSENIGMA on 25/05/2008 09:03:07
Originally by: Shoukei
goodbye sandbox, welcome wow Razz


Goodbye sandbox? Are you really sure? They are not changing the sandbox, corporate/alliance warfare side of Eve at all. They are just introducing another new NPC system thats all. If you want todo FW you have to leave your corp and join FW.

The Sandbox still stays.

Geana Tem
Gallente
The Order of Symbolic Measures
Posted - 2008.05.25 09:41:00 - [97]
 

oh.. my.. god..

i'm SO gonna be the "very figure of the modern Majour General.'"

you've givern me so much to live for!

Ramblin Man
Empyreum
Posted - 2008.05.26 00:40:00 - [98]
 

Art is awesome.

You guys, with the words? FAILURE

Detox, take another look at them, and try again.

Problems:
Caldari Colonel? Rank 6-7
Caldari Commander? Rank 8-9
Minmatar Colonel? Rank 9
Minmatar Commander? Rank 5-7

Names?
Matar Colonel (too boring for a high rank)
Divine Commodore (also equally boring for a high rank)
_____ Commander (you could think of nothing better?!)

Also, everything below sucks. (Stop sucking?)
Arch Lieutenant
Spear Lieutenant
Templar Lieutenant
Defender Lieutenant
Spike Lieutenant
Nation Warrior
Cardinal Lieutenant
Guardian Lieutenant
Lieutenant Sentinel
Venge Captain

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2008.05.26 11:30:00 - [99]
 

I approve of this dev-blog.

Artwork is great, srsly. Don't know how much I'll be taking part, but at least it'll hopefully get some people more into pew-pew. So many people shy away from it in any form and their missing a massively fun part of the game.

And no, don't tell me that playing the market is PVP in the MMO sense of the word. It's not.

Redbad
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.26 12:22:00 - [100]
 

The ranks are all pretty army like and not very navy like (no admirals?).

First Joke about them:

What do you get when you put the insignias from five Cardinal Lieutenant's, two Arch Lieutenant's, three Imperial Major's and one Imperator Commander together?

Answer: a nice bunch of tulips.

RB


Kido Achari
Caldari
Posted - 2008.05.26 18:21:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Kido Achari on 26/05/2008 18:31:35
Edited by: Kido Achari on 26/05/2008 18:22:19
It's not quite clear how does new ranks correspond with the storyline? Existing fleet insignas ranks of all four races do actually sound pretty different from new titles and moreover, there some divergence do appear. For example, Matar "Captain 1st Class" was previously mentioned as a high rank in Republic Fleet, but now all captain ranks are in the midst of the list...

Masu'di
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2008.05.26 18:47:00 - [102]
 

as someone else said, how are we going to stop everyone grinding their way up to the top ranks, and making them meaningless?

limit them?
peer appointed?

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.26 20:16:00 - [103]
 

Napoleon had both arms - Ginger, you're thinking of Nelson, in all likelihood. Seriously CCP, you need to hire a better Napoleonic War staff historian for your internet spaceship game. Wink

That said, love the rank logos. I'm not a fan of just about any of the other stuff in that dev blog(seriously, how hard is it to code in a first-approximation medal system?), but your graphical designers definitely deserve a pat on the back.

Snake Tanuki
ZiTek
Posted - 2008.05.27 01:09:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Generals? We are in fleets and ships. it should be adminral!

This. Just think of Starwars -> Admiral
Star Trek -> Admiral
Sky Marshall in Starship Troopers, which is probably derived from the german "Luftmarschall" (Göring during WWII)

Common Military Ranks:

Navies Armies Air Forces
Admiral of Field Marshal Marshal of
the Fleet the Air Force
Admiral General Air Chief Marshal
Vice Admiral Lt. General Air Marshal
Rear Admiral Major General Air Vice-Marshal
Commodore Brigadier Air Commodore
Captain Colonel Group Captain
Commander Lt. Colonel Wing Commander
Lt. Commander Major Squadron Leader
Lieutenant Captain Flight Lieutenant
Sub-Lieutenant Lieutenant Flying Officer
Warrant Officer Sergeant Major Warrant Officer
Petty Officer Sergeant Sergeant
Leading Rate Corporal Corporal
Seaman Private Aircraftman


So please don't use General, Major, Brigadier or Colonel in those Militia Ranks, as those are Ground-troop ranks, and pod pilots weren't ground troops last time I checked.
Navy ranks would be fit as we have Navies in EVE, however some of the Air Force ranks sound nice too.

That's about the only (hopefully constructive) criticism I have. Quite like those rank logos, they are awesome. Very Happy

Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.27 01:12:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Masu'di
as someone else said, how are we going to stop everyone grinding their way up to the top ranks, and making them meaningless?

limit them?
peer appointed?

Ignore them?

I can understand the panic from the shell-shocked WoW refugees, but i don't see it being a problem. Pilot grinds his way thru FW to the top, attains Most High Imperial Asskicker, musters out and applies to, say, some 0.0 alliance... which is the path intended, right?

MHIA: Hello, Foo Alliance. I'd like to join you in the outer reaches. I am considered a badass by the Empire and would like to be an officer.

Foo Alliance Recruiter: So? Yer imperialist dogma-spoutin' officers don't carry no weight out here in the real world, boy. We hereby dub you Coffee Fetcher Rank One until you prove yourself in real combat.

MHIA: Crying or Very sad

No problem.

Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2008.05.27 07:19:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Snake Tanuki
Originally by: Shintai
Generals? We are in fleets and ships. it should be adminral!

This. Just think of Starwars -> Admiral
Star Trek -> Admiral
Sky Marshall in Starship Troopers, which is probably derived from the german "Luftmarschall" (Göring during WWII)

Common Military Ranks:

Navies Armies Air Forces
Admiral of Field Marshal Marshal of
the Fleet the Air Force
Admiral General Air Chief Marshal
Vice Admiral Lt. General Air Marshal
Rear Admiral Major General Air Vice-Marshal
Commodore Brigadier Air Commodore
Captain Colonel Group Captain
Commander Lt. Colonel Wing Commander
Lt. Commander Major Squadron Leader
Lieutenant Captain Flight Lieutenant
Sub-Lieutenant Lieutenant Flying Officer
Warrant Officer Sergeant Major Warrant Officer
Petty Officer Sergeant Sergeant
Leading Rate Corporal Corporal
Seaman Private Aircraftman


So please don't use General, Major, Brigadier or Colonel in those Militia Ranks, as those are Ground-troop ranks, and pod pilots weren't ground troops last time I checked.
Navy ranks would be fit as we have Navies in EVE, however some of the Air Force ranks sound nice too.

That's about the only (hopefully constructive) criticism I have. Quite like those rank logos, they are awesome. Very Happy


this ... use naval ranks, we are no freaking infantry

Stolen Lotus
Lyonesse.
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:44:00 - [107]
 

Love the insignia, but the inconsistencies of colonel/major/commander etc - that's just confusing and irritating. It's okay to have some variation (as with regular navies vs other services) - it's not okay to have substantial differences in sequence order!

Sky Burner
Gallente
The Ninja Noobs
Posted - 2008.05.27 12:56:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Sky Burner on 27/05/2008 13:00:34
Edited by: Sky Burner on 27/05/2008 12:57:59
The badges look awsome, BUT as some of you other guys have noticed there is something not quite right about the ranks. For example, Generals command an army not a navy fleet. I think the proper rank should be Admiral (or Fleet Admiral).

Source:
Ranks

Grismar
Gallente
Vertigo Corp
Posted - 2008.05.27 14:32:00 - [109]
 

There's a serious chance this has already been pointed out in some other thread. I have the utmost confidence I will be properly flamed in the right direction if that's the case, but...

What's with the Caldari Protectorate. Is this some nasty underhanded attempt to make the Caldari seem even more like the dumb meatheads they are? Because generally, a protectorate is an entity in need of protection, not giving it. In this case, CCP seems to either have it backwards -or- wants to make it seem the Caldari themselves have it backwards.

The former I would correct, the latter is fine with any Gallente. I'm betting it's a case of too much thumb-twiddling and not enough picking-up-a-much-needed-dictionary.

Greetings,
Grismar.

Rachen Shugaar
Posted - 2008.05.27 15:30:00 - [110]
 

*Sigh* Eve is no longer the Eve I fell in love with so long time ago.
It is looking more and more like all the others MMO's ...

Laughing

Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.27 19:20:00 - [111]
 

I also agree that you should use naval naming conventions where they apply, Generals should be Admirals. Obviously Amarr will stay religious and Minmatar will stay rebels.

Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2008.05.27 22:31:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 27/05/2008 22:31:51
I know this is a strange request, but can we get those same pictures of the rank medals without a background so that we can use them in signatures, please?

Dapanman1
Amarr
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
The InterBus Initiative
Posted - 2008.05.28 00:45:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Snake Tanuki


Rear Admiral





I admiraled your mom's rear last night.

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.28 11:32:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: CCP Ginger
Every rank gained in Factional warfare will get you a faction standing boost.


Will the FW ranks give additional Faction gains or are they going to be hard capped like the existing standings mechanism ?

ATM im +10 to Minmatar and +9 to gallente and the only way i can get closer to +10 to gallente is to grind even more missions to get gallente storylines.

If FW ranks give derived standings gains then those pilots with high Faction Standings already may have already exceeded the derived gain cap limits :''( which may remove some of the incentives for joining FW

Also with the FW mechanics will there be standing losses if missions/bunkers/facilities being lost/gained ?

btw, nice blog :)







Eima Nalt
Posted - 2008.05.28 20:07:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: CCP Ginger
Originally by: Akiba Penrose
lol,, "Bloody fist of Matar".

Does this mean that the regular faction standings dont get affected by FW?



Every rank gained in Factional warfare will get you a faction standing boost.


Will that boost stay if you leave the faction? That is, can a person join FW to grind some factional standing, leave FW, and retain the factional standing?

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.05.29 12:32:00 - [116]
 

I think I'm gonna have to have "Git 'er done" removed and get me a new Talon Commander tramp stamp. Very Happy Laughing Very Happy




The RockBaron
Posted - 2008.06.01 18:16:00 - [117]
 

I am with a few people on this one, I hope that this patch will not ruin the distinct aspects of this game. I hope ranks will not make this another mindless leveling system, where only the ones who constantly grind will advance.Confused

Orbius Prime
Gallente
Posted - 2008.06.01 21:30:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Orbius Prime on 01/06/2008 21:42:33
FW seemed nice but here are my thoughts:

Arrow rank names aren't representing FLEET ranking

Arrow No Alliances => discluding people from a part of the game by another aspect of the game... ( ? is this still eve ? )

And if you say getting negative sec stat doesnt allow you in empire either,well you can still do missions to get it up again without changing corp-alliance.

Arrow locked items in LP store by rank ?... again ? is this EVE ?

Arrow Ranks are cool but that's it.. they show nothing more then :" look i've spend time on FW and ... euhm that's it "

After a while we'll all be top ranked and sadly it will make FW less then fun.

Why not make it a TOP ranked thing? IT will give people an extra status and push people to keep playing FW far beyond the max ranked limit now.


Arrow good point... conquering a spot seems sweet! It will most likely give highsec corporation a(n extra) goal!

Arrow love the artwork ^^

/me awaits counter thoughts!



Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Conflagration.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.06.02 00:50:00 - [119]
 

are we going to get images where we don't have to photoshop the gray crap out of the background?

Glacius Prime
Gallente
Segmentum Solar
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2008.06.02 07:47:00 - [120]
 

SUPER COOL! Nice Nice Nice !!! Razz

Oh... and I want medals! Surprised


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