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Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies

Posted - 2008.05.30 23:39:00 - [31]
 


Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.06.01 07:06:00 - [32]
 

This ship needs to be able to do its job, at the very least, with less fitting issues. It's not appealing in any way other than the tank, and the drake makes a perfectly good brick as it is.

Owl Algernon
Caldari
The Starving Hearts of Darkness
Posted - 2008.06.02 15:27:00 - [33]
 

/signed

That link to the 'definitive' thread is quite a read.

MrZYD
Posted - 2008.06.05 23:38:00 - [34]
 

I support fixing the obvious lack of pg in Nighthawk.

Nariana Verex
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.06.06 16:49:00 - [35]
 

I support the Nighthawk getting a boost to powergrid. I know the Absolution gets more grid than the Harbinger, and it fits one less turret. Don't know about the others, since I fly pretty much only Amarr- I still don't think it is fair.

No one should have to fit -all- RCU II's to cram on a rack of weapons. The only case you should ever see four RCU IIs is when you're doing something not meant to be, like a Heavy Neut on a Curse.

Very much signed, and an obligatory bump to the surface.

Wrathamon Starfury
Gallente
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.06.06 19:47:00 - [36]
 

/signed

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution

Posted - 2008.06.07 17:42:00 - [37]
 

/signed a million times

the nighthawk is a joke!
i just trained ldr5 and bc 5..and when i had a look at the nighthawk I was like LOL im not even gonna train command ships.
This things like 10% better than a drake WTF CCP STOP IGNORING THE NIGHTHAWK ITS SO BROKEN!!!

Blood Bathroom
Caldari
MOFO'S ANONYMOUS

Posted - 2008.06.08 07:46:00 - [38]
 

yes i support this

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.08 08:40:00 - [39]
 

Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.06.08 12:10:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.


ur an idiot, read the post, and ull see why Rolling Eyes

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.08 21:39:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.


ur an idiot, read the post, and ull see why Rolling Eyes


no d00d ur an id1ot :ro11:

GeneralNukeEm
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.08 22:08:00 - [42]
 

Nighthawk is terrible, please boost. :/

Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.06.08 22:20:00 - [43]
 

Please more grid.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2008.06.08 22:24:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.


WTB: 50% PG implant tbqfh. Neutral

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.06.08 23:29:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Silence Duegood on 09/06/2008 00:09:24

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.


Synopsis -

'Hi, my name is Erotic Irony and I can't do math, so the original post and the summary posted here make no sense to me. Besides, I'm a troll and I don't care if it makes sense anyhow.'

GeneralNukeEm
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.06.09 00:45:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: GeneralNukeEm on 09/06/2008 00:45:07
Nighthawk is still horribly gimped if nighthawk pilots have to use powergrid implants while other command ship pilots get to use damage/speed/whatever implants instead. Fail troll is fail.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.09 02:12:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Edited by: Silence Duegood on 09/06/2008 00:09:24

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Powergrid hardwires, use them and stop crying.


Synopsis -

'Hi, my name is Erotic Irony and I can't do math, so the original post and the summary posted here make no sense to me. Besides, I'm a troll and I don't care if it makes sense anyhow.'



Looking at your fits I can do naught but lawl. N-types, rows and rows of fitting mods, webs but no points, random or no meaningful amount of hardening. I don't know what game you're playing but here in Eve the name of the game is opportunity cost and maximizing your strengths. You want the biggest guns and launchers and think the comparison between heaviest caliber missiles and heaviest caliber guns is a fair or accurate one.

The problem has nothing to do with the nighthawk and everything do with how close range missile fits require more than standard heavies while the opposite is true of guns--since your fits are neither valid PVE or PVP I don't know why you are so insistent on making false analogies. If you're planning on using gang mods you should be using the fleet command not gimping a combat fit--therein lies your problem writ large, you want everything.

Use faction gear, PG & CPU implants or a different ship but don't confuse the issue. You're not a victim of CCP, get over yourself.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.09 02:26:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Efdi
Do you even actually PvP? All of those setups are fairly terrible, especially considering the fact that you're active tanking and don't have DCUs.


'Hi, my namre is Efdi, and I haven't read the thread.'

All I do is PVP. The setups listed were obviously a comparison.

If you have some better idea as to how to list comparisons then feel free to post them here or in the 14 page thread.



Given that you don't even post with your main his point is valid, you either don't understand how to PVP or all your fits are comedy fits--kb link please.

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.06.09 02:28:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Silence Duegood on 09/06/2008 02:45:56

Originally by: Erotic Irony

Looking at your fits I can do naught but lawl. N-types, rows and rows of fitting mods, webs but no points, random or no meaningful amount of hardening.


I'll explain all this slowly, as you apparently can't read very well (since all this has already been explained, in most cases it has been explained multiple times).

1. The fits posted were as close to real-world fits as possible while remaining meaningfully analogous to one another.
2. The use of N-types and other named mods was explained.
3. The use of rows of fitting mods (in the case of the Nighthawk) was not only explained, but it should be self-evident from the title.
4. If you have better setups to post using better hardening schemes while still remaining realistic, useful, and similar to other fits then please post them instead of crying.

Originally by: Erotic Irony

I don't know what game you're playing but here in Eve the name of the game is opportunity cost and maximizing your strengths. You want the biggest guns and launchers and think the comparison between heaviest caliber missiles and heaviest caliber guns is a fair or accurate one.


I'll use your ignorance and lack of reading skills as a chance to repost one of the more enlightening setups that put into very clear focus the Nighthawk's biggest problem -

Originally by: Me

Basic Nighthawk setup that the Nighthawk can't even come close to fitting. (164.5pg short) -

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Booster II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
[empty high slot]


Assuming all skills at 5 this setup requires precisely 1052 powergrid, while the Nighthawk only has 887.5. Thatís a difference of 164.5. WAY off. ***This Nighthawk setup requires an RCU II and a PDU II to fit, while other Command Ship can fit equivalent setups with NO FITTING MODS***. See the problem?

Adding a gang link to the above setup requires a total of 1252pg. This means the Nighthawk is 364.5pg short of being able to fit a basic setup + a gang mod. 364.5 is nearly HALF of the Nighthawk's base grid with bonuses. The Sleip can fit a great basic setup + a gang mod with no fitting mods and still have grid left. The Astarte and the Abso require only one fitting mod. The Nighthawk needs three or four fitting mods to make up this difference. HELLO?! GLARING PROBLEM HERE!

Adding 170 base powergrid to the Nighthawk for 880pg would allow the following -
Base 880 = 1100 w/ skills (x1.25)
x 1.15 for an RCU II = 1265pg

1265pg is just enough to fit a gang mod, and it requires one RCU II. A much greater boost would be needed to allow the Nighthawk to fit the above with a gang mod while using only one PDU II, and, in my opinion, would be too great a boost.

So my official stand is that the Nighthawk needs approximately 170 more powergrid at least.



Explain what the above post has to do with fitting, as you put it, 'the biggest guns and launchers'? If you could read you'd understand that the Nighthawk can't even fit Heavy Missile IIs and a basic (and rather poor) PVP setup (with NO gang mod) without being incredibly short of powergrid.

Continued.

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.06.09 02:29:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Silence Duegood on 09/06/2008 02:56:44

Originally by: Erotic Irony

The problem has nothing to do with the nighthawk and everything do with how close range missile fits require more than standard heavies while the opposite is true of guns--since your fits are neither valid PVE or PVP I don't know why you are so insistent on making false analogies. If you're planning on using gang mods you should be using the fleet command not gimping a combat fit--therein lies your problem writ large, you want everything.


I've already reshown, with the assistance of your lack of reading skills and logic, that the Nighthawk can't even fit Heavy Missile IIs. The issue has NOTHING to do with fitting HAMs. Again, my fits are meant to be as closely related to one another while remaing useful AND analogous (which a comparison-based problem necessitates).

Originally by: Erotic Irony

Use faction gear, PG & CPU implants or a different ship but don't confuse the issue. You're not a victim of CCP, get over yourself.


A. Other Command Ships do not require faction gear for useful fits.
B. Other Command Ships do not require PG implants for useful fits.
C. Telling people to use another ship because one is broken is inane, and perfectly illustrates how clueless you are to this issue, and that you are simply trolling.

I'll look forward to your posting some numbers, evidence, or fits that provide some actual proof of your uninformed opinion. So far you've done nothing but provide a whiney and unsubstantiated opinion. Numbers and examples are sort of useful (sarcasm) when proving and/or disproving problem-solving.

As for my posting with an alt - I've already stated this and I'll state it again. Any single individual (even one that doesn't play EVE) could come into this forum and provide some numbers and evidence of a problem and be entirely correct. Accusing me of posting with an alt (which I indeed am) is a nice attempt at a strawman and an ad hominem, but it once again illustrates that you have no evidence or proper argument.

PS, However, I do appreciate you bumping this thread, and keeping it on the first page. Further responses from you will also be appreciated for the same reason, whether they continue to be devoid of reason or not.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.09 03:22:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Edited by: Silence Duegood on 09/06/2008 02:56:44

Originally by: Erotic Irony

The problem has nothing to do with the nighthawk and everything do with how close range missile fits require more than standard heavies while the opposite is true of guns--since your fits are neither valid PVE or PVP I don't know why you are so insistent on making false analogies. If you're planning on using gang mods you should be using the fleet command not gimping a combat fit--therein lies your problem writ large, you want everything.


I've already reshown, with the assistance of your lack of reading skills and logic, that the Nighthawk can't even fit Heavy Missile IIs. The issue has NOTHING to do with fitting HAMs. Again, my fits are meant to be as closely related to one another while remaing useful AND analogous (which a comparison-based problem necessitates).

Originally by: Erotic Irony

Use faction gear, PG & CPU implants or a different ship but don't confuse the issue. You're not a victim of CCP, get over yourself.


A. Other Command Ships do not require faction gear for useful fits.
B. Other Command Ships do not require PG implants for useful fits.
C. Telling people to use another ship because one is broken is inane, and perfectly illustrates how clueless you are to this issue, and that you are simply trolling.

I'll look forward to your posting some numbers, evidence, or fits that provide some actual proof of your uninformed opinion. So far you've done nothing but provide a whiney and unsubstantiated opinion. Numbers and examples are sort of useful (sarcasm) when proving and/or disproving problem-solving.

As for my posting with an alt - I've already stated this and I'll state it again. Any single individual (even one that doesn't play EVE) could come into this forum and provide some numbers and evidence of a problem and be entirely correct. Accusing me of posting with an alt (which I indeed am) is a nice attempt at a strawman and an ad hominem, but it once again illustrates that you have no evidence or proper argument.

PS, However, I do appreciate you bumping this thread, and keeping it on the first page. Further responses from you will also be appreciated for the same reason, whether they continue to be devoid of reason or not.



No one is trying to convince you of anything, merely give other readers a more parsimonious reading the "great nighthawk imbalance". You conflate the basic problem of fitting scarcity that every ship in the game is subject to into such an embarrassing metaphysical crisis and think you're perfectly valid on all your tortured readings.

I asked for proof of your fits as a means to see what you practically run not as a means to undermine you as I could care less about your person, and you read all my posts as personal attacks, I told you the comparisons of ships and weapons wasn't fair or accurate, you called me illiterate. Is everyone flying a nighthawk touting perfect skills? If not surely they too must be making some concessions, which is at the heart of this thread. Despite your attempts to remain scholarly and empirical, your hostility and consistent oversimplification of general ship parity to mean identical ship fitting strategies reveals that you are little more than a self-interested partisan.

Silence Duegood
Posted - 2008.06.09 03:48:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony

No one is trying to convince you of anything, merely give other readers a more parsimonious reading the "great nighthawk imbalance". You conflate the basic problem of fitting scarcity that every ship in the game is subject to into such an embarrassing metaphysical crisis and think you're perfectly valid on all your tortured readings.

I asked for proof of your fits as a means to see what you practically run not as a means to undermine you as I could care less about your person, and you read all my posts as personal attacks, I told you the comparisons of ships and weapons wasn't fair or accurate, you called me illiterate. Is everyone flying a nighthawk touting perfect skills? If not surely they too must be making some concessions, which is at the heart of this thread. Despite your attempts to remain scholarly and empirical, your hostility and consistent oversimplification of general ship parity to mean identical ship fitting strategies reveals that you are little more than a self-interested partisan.



A. Thanks for the bump.
B. The evidence and proof is present to be read, as many have already done.
C. You managed to use rhetoric to avoid saying anything of substance, and you managed to, once again, avoid providing a counterargument, facts, evidence, proof, numbers, or fits.
D. See A.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.06.09 04:13:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Erotic Irony

No one is trying to convince you of anything, merely give other readers a more parsimonious reading the "great nighthawk imbalance". You conflate the basic problem of fitting scarcity that every ship in the game is subject to into such an embarrassing metaphysical crisis and think you're perfectly valid on all your tortured readings.

I asked for proof of your fits as a means to see what you practically run not as a means to undermine you as I could care less about your person, and you read all my posts as personal attacks, I told you the comparisons of ships and weapons wasn't fair or accurate, you called me illiterate. Is everyone flying a nighthawk touting perfect skills? If not surely they too must be making some concessions, which is at the heart of this thread. Despite your attempts to remain scholarly and empirical, your hostility and consistent oversimplification of general ship parity to mean identical ship fitting strategies reveals that you are little more than a self-interested partisan.



A. Thanks for the bump.
B. The evidence and proof is present to be read, as many have already done.
C. You managed to use rhetoric to avoid saying anything of substance, and you managed to, once again, avoid providing a counterargument, facts, evidence, proof, numbers, or fits.
D. See A.



No my good friend it is you who is being combative--my approach has been interrogative from the start but remember you aren't the only audience. You insist on misunderstanding or distorting my initial two premises and as such the rest of my scheme naturally evades you. Let me rephrase my point in a different way. To wit, your fundamental position, if it is interested in game balance, is backwards.

Initially you must evaluate the practical reality and deduce the developer's logic and test those hypotheses rather than abstract hysterically. Surely it is no accident that these changes you've been asking for haven't materialized? All your points signify and confirm that the scarcity of fitting is indeed universal to enough of a degree to allow for balance, parity, unique costs to benefits and therefore nothing is amiss. You should be interested in leaving as small a game play footprint as possible unless you are trying to precipitate a genuine and damaging imbalance between the command ships. When your approach is the reverse, you offer much so called evidence to answer leading questions--this is simply dishonest intellectualizing and harmful for game balance.

Kinkie Yuuki
Posted - 2008.06.09 05:20:00 - [54]
 

The Irony is strong in this one, and quite erotic.

Mega Thong
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.06.09 05:30:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Mega Thong on 09/06/2008 14:29:32
Edited by: Mega Thong on 09/06/2008 05:36:05
Do NOT put a warefare link on the NH. it's a field command not a fleet command. putting one on totally gimps how you can set it up. get a vulture if you wanna run gang mods tbqh...

6x hml ii
mwd ii, med cap inj ii, lsb ii, invuln ii. photon ii
2x rcu ii, dc ii, 2x bcu ii

fit's perfectly fine. and you do understand about the things called RIGS dont you? they're there to help you so you dont have to fill your lows with useless things such as RCU ii's.

NH is still one of the baddest tanking ships ive ever killed.

EDIT: What's the nighthawk gonna do with the other lows anyways? Not like it ARMOR TANKs or anything.

Mega Thong
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.06.09 05:52:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Mega Thong on 09/06/2008 14:29:20
Edited by: Mega Thong on 09/06/2008 14:28:52
i actually came up with better comparison setups that you made.

NH
6x hml ii
mwd ii, med cap inj ii, invuln ii, photon ii, large shield boostr ii
2x bcu ii, dc ii, 2x rcu ii

does 367dps with t1 scourge's, tanks 390dps forever as long as got 800 charges

Astarte
2x heavy neut ii, 5x heavy ion ii
mwd ii, med cap inj ii, warp dis ii, web ii
2x mar ii, 2x eanm ii, dc ii, explo hard ii

does 441dps with t1 anitmatter, tanks 486dps w/800 charges

Absolution
5x heavy pulse ii
mwd ii, warp dis ii, med cap inj ii
2x mar ii, 2x eanm ii, dc ii, 2x heat sink ii

does 531dps with t1 multifreq, tanks 396 w/800's

Sleip
7x 425 ii
mwd ii, cap inj ii, warp dis ii, x-l boost ii, invuln ii
pdu ii, dc ii, 2x nano ii, overdrive ii.

does 347dps with t1 emp, tanks 591 for less than a min w/800's
The sleip has literally NO CPU left which is why the nano's and od are in the lows.

these are of course not the best of fits, but i quickly made them and must say aren't the worst setups. ALL of them DONT have ANY drones OR RIGS WHATSOEVER.

The fits can be massivly improved based on specific purposes that you want to do. Such as the nighthawk, if you want to go for total tank, it can do that VERY well, and if you wanna go for max dps it can do that good as well.

and rigs can help a lot with the fits/tanking of all the ships INCLUDING the NH which totally improves the fit.

EDIT: Mistyped 5launchers on nh when ment 6launchers.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2008.06.09 08:07:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Gypsio III on 09/06/2008 08:31:44

Quote:

these are of course not the best of fits


Five launchers on the Nighthawk. No kidding. And you're still using 2 RCU IIs. You really think that's sensible? Laughing

Also... the NH needs its lowslots for the same things that other 5-lowslot shield tankers do, such as the Raven, Maelstrom and, indeed, Sleipnir. That is - damage mods, DC, agility and speed mods or lowslot ECCM or sensor boosters. Or are you advocating halving the Sleipnir's PG so it has to fit PG mods in its lows?Razz

More! There is no point flying a Field Command if you do not use a Gang Mod. Otherwise, use a BC or BS. I appreciate that the other Field CS have problems fitting a gang mod (apart from the Sleipnir really) which I don't believe they should, but we're discussing the NH here, not field CS in general.

Quote:
NH is still one of the baddest tanking ships ive ever killed.


Tanking is not a role. In itself, it is not a useful ability. It is only useful when married to some other ability - such as tackling, in the case of HICs, or decent gank. Hence, you cannot fit a big tank to a PVP Nighthawk and also be a useful PVP ship, because you will neuter its gank.

Kailiani
Posted - 2008.06.09 08:17:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Kailiani on 09/06/2008 10:06:09
Thats what we've been doing wrong! Put only 4 HAM II launchers on and you will only need 3 PDU!


Quote:
Sleip
7x 425 ii
mwd ii, cap inj ii, warp dis ii, x-l boost ii, invuln ii
pdu ii, dc ii, 2x nano ii, overdrive ii.

does 347dps with t1 emp, tanks 591 for less than a min w/800's
The sleip has literally NO CPU left which is why the nano's and od are in the lows.



Lawl.. take off the disruptor if your not using one on nighthawk also. Then switch to a T1 X-large booster/T1 med cap inj. gg.

[Sleipnir, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber II


X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
[empty high slot]

Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hammerhead II x4


tanks 718 for 1min 15sec., 701 DPS. Fastest at 1540 m/s. Also very easy fitting.



Astarte-

[Astarte, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M

Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hammerhead II x5


Tanks 413 for 4m 2sec, 700 DPS. Webs and scrambles. 1164 m/s.


Absolution -

[Absolution, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hobgoblin II x5



Tanks 396 for 4m 16sec, 630 DPS. Scrambles and second fastest. 1191 m/s.


Nighthawk

[Nighthawk, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II


10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Large Shield Booster II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Ancillary Current Router I

Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hobgoblin II x5

Tanks 414 until out of booster, 451 DPS. Slowest, no web/scramble. 78km range. 1087 m/s. AND
this setup needs AWU 5. The PG is weird because with AWU 4 it requires +26% PG, leaving you with extra powergrid or just short 1%.



Kailiani
Posted - 2008.06.09 09:21:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Kailiani on 09/06/2008 10:28:18

This is all the nighthawk needs, its 217.05 power short of this fit:

[Nighthawk, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Large Shield Booster II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hobgoblin II x5



Tanks 401 dps until out of boosters, 540 DPS. 18.9 KM range.


The astarte/absolution/sleipnir are faster, tanks similar, more DPS, and can scramble/web.




Also another sleipnir setup just for fun

[Sleipnir, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Booster II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M
[empty high slot]

Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hammerhead II x4


Tanks 433 dps until out of cap boosters, 540 DPS, 12km optimal.

More dps then nighthawk. This would be very similar to the requested nighthawk!

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.06.09 11:30:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony


Looking at your fits I can do naught but lawl. N-types, rows and rows of fitting mods, webs but no points, random or no meaningful amount of hardening. I don't know what game you're playing but here in Eve the name of the game is opportunity cost and maximizing your strengths. You want the biggest guns and launchers and think the comparison between heaviest caliber missiles and heaviest caliber guns is a fair or accurate one.

The problem has nothing to do with the nighthawk and everything do with how close range missile fits require more than standard heavies while the opposite is true of guns--since your fits are neither valid PVE or PVP I don't know why you are so insistent on making false analogies. If you're planning on using gang mods you should be using the fleet command not gimping a combat fit--therein lies your problem writ large, you want everything.

Use faction gear, PG & CPU implants or a different ship but don't confuse the issue. You're not a victim of CCP, get over yourself.


gtfo outta this post.
You are A) ******ed
B) are a troll
C) have no idea of balance

Yeha lets make the nighthawk have to use faction fits and wasted rigs/implants and let the other comnd ships get decent setups.

Im guessing u dont PVP, and maybe PVE and love the nighhawk for it.
The cmmnd ships shld not be geared towards PVE AND SUCK AT PVP
go away.


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