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NoNameNewbie
Caldari
Raynor Heavy Industries
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:23:00 - [61]
 

OUTRAGE !

i dont really care about the price, but i'm just to lazy to update my accs every two month so gib 120day GTC ffs

o.0

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:24:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Lorna Loot
Originally by: Kerfira
European players are as happy as fish in a pond about this. It shows that CCP wants this to be a game where everyone pay the same.
For Americans, blame your government....


Can you read? or do simple maths?

Now: 90days = $38.85 = 19.63

After the change: 60days = $38 = 19.2

Now, tell me why I'm as happy as a fish in a pond, unless the pond is acid and the fish is melting alive. I don't see exactly how losing a month of playtime but paying the same makes me in any way happy.

Apologies, I should have said 'Euro players not doing VAT evasion by buying their goods abroad' Twisted Evil

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:25:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Mioelnir on 22/05/2008 16:26:05
Exactly where do you all get the info that it will not be 34.99 of whatever currency you use?

There is no mentioning of that in the news item. CCP has misused $ as a general sign for "currency" in the past.

Maradonia Kalrisian
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:25:00 - [64]
 

first they increase the $ per day of GTC's (whilst reducing flexibility.. which the value of the US$ should not effect at all)

and in a few months it will make sense to increase the overall subscription costs per month for credit card users too. GTC increase is just to soften us up :(

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:25:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Mioelnir
Exactly where do you all get the info that it will not be 34.99 of whatever currency you use?

There is no mentioning of that in the news item.


Currency converters work wonders.

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:26:00 - [66]
 

At that price this is a 35% increase in my monthly cost to play EVE.

You can dress this up, justify it, explain it, whatever, I'm sure CCP and the fans can come up with any number of rational, reasonable explanations for this,whatever.

The effect is going to be the same for me and, I guess, a lot of other people - I'm going to have a careful think about whether or not I want to pay an extra 35% for my accounts (I have 3).

CCP have put some effort into encouraging multiple-accounts with the Power of Two offer, with the skill training design and with the way specialisation works in EVE. Now FW is clearly aiming to get more multiple-account subscriptions. And now all of those multiple accounts could cost 35% more per month.

This isn't a "OMG I'm cancelling my 3 accounts, waaaa!" post. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to cancel or not, it's a ****ed off customer providing feedback to CCP and wondering if there's enough satisfying content in this game for me to justify a 35% increase in cost.

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:27:00 - [67]
 

this is a multiple page thread

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:27:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Lorna Loot
Currency converters work wonders.

Haven't worked for Apple since the dawn of time.

And see my edit, it wouldn't been the first time $ is misused as a "generic currency symbol". I'd very much like Wrangler to clear that up.

Arous Drephius
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:29:00 - [69]
 

No CCP, just no. Terrible move on your part.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:31:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Apocryphai
At that price this is a 35% increase in my monthly cost to play EVE.

You can dress this up, justify it, explain it, whatever, I'm sure CCP and the fans can come up with any number of rational, reasonable explanations for this,whatever.

The effect is going to be the same for me and, I guess, a lot of other people - I'm going to have a careful think about whether or not I want to pay an extra 35% for my accounts (I have 3).

CCP have put some effort into encouraging multiple-accounts with the Power of Two offer, with the skill training design and with the way specialisation works in EVE. Now FW is clearly aiming to get more multiple-account subscriptions. And now all of those multiple accounts could cost 35% more per month.

This isn't a "OMG I'm cancelling my 3 accounts, waaaa!" post. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to cancel or not, it's a ****ed off customer providing feedback to CCP and wondering if there's enough satisfying content in this game for me to justify a 35% increase in cost.


Especially considering that I get 0 out of this expansion unless I abandon my corp and alliance.


Haurian Zealot
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:31:00 - [71]
 

After reading the news item and this topic, I have come to the following opinion.

I propose that CCP introduce the 60d card/code as planned, however, they should retain the 30d code. A price hike to $20 for a 30d code should make it worthwhile to buy the 60d codes for those who really want to save money, and will give CCP a higher revenue. Yes, it's a 33% price rise for 30d, but with the current weak dollar, it is only fair that CCP rises the price to compensate.

Whether CCP changes the US credit card subscription cost is their choice, but IMO it should rise to $19.99 to be in line with the GTC cost. If they do raise the price, I would hope they leave the Euro price at it's current level, so that the prices are more in sync than the current situation.

Under my proposal, costs are as follows:

CC subscription

US: $19.99 (up $5)
Europe: 14.99 (current)

GTC cost

30d: $19.99 (up $5)
60d: 34.99 (As proposed by CCP)

Yes, at the moment it is still cheaper for EU citizens to buy GTC's in dollars, but much less than the current situation.

Feel free to flame/agree/criticise constructively etc.

/me searches for his flameproof suit. I'm sure I left it around here somewhere...

bestsnail
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:32:00 - [72]
 

Instead of crying on here just go cry to your moms, im sure they can come up for a few extra chores each month to increase your allowance. Or go get a job at McDonalds seriously lol.

Ter Aris
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:32:00 - [73]
 

This is extremely poor.

Im serious this is totally ****. Industry standards? Its simply to get more money. No way will i be forced into paying that price.

Dragons Talon
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:33:00 - [74]
 

This is as bad as work..I fail to understand why they dropped the 30 and 90 day cards? Sounds like someones just getting lazy at CCP and don't want to do the extra little bit to make more than one card.

And who cares about the cost...the price of everything is going up why not this as well?

Seetesh
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:37:00 - [75]
 

I have to agree ccp is going the wrong way about doing this and are simply trying to take advantage of the gtc market sales to get extra income its appauling they are becoming greedy.

Apocryphai
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:37:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Apocryphai on 22/05/2008 16:36:53
Oh BTW, there's going to be a rush on 90d GTC's on shattered crystal etc...

Mae West
Armadillo Industries
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:39:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Mae West on 22/05/2008 16:39:13
No where in that news brief does it state direct payers would be paying more.Very Happy

AppleBanana
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:39:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Haurian Zealot
After reading the news item and this topic, I have come to the following opinion.

I propose that CCP introduce the 60d card/code as planned, however, they should retain the 30d code. A price hike to $20 for a 30d code should make it worthwhile to buy the 60d codes for those who really want to save money, and will give CCP a higher revenue. Yes, it's a 33% price rise for 30d, but with the current weak dollar, it is only fair that CCP rises the price to compensate.

Whether CCP changes the US credit card subscription cost is their choice, but IMO it should rise to $19.99 to be in line with the GTC cost. If they do raise the price, I would hope they leave the Euro price at it's current level, so that the prices are more in sync than the current situation.

Under my proposal, costs are as follows:

CC subscription

US: $19.99 (up $5)
Europe: 14.99 (current)

GTC cost

30d: $19.99 (up $5)
60d: 34.99 (As proposed by CCP)

Yes, at the moment it is still cheaper for EU citizens to buy GTC's in dollars, but much less than the current situation.

Feel free to flame/agree/criticise constructively etc.

/me searches for his flameproof suit. I'm sure I left it around here somewhere...

14.99 USD = 9.54040 EUR
If they wanted it to be the same americans would have to pay $23.54 a month. Which would make 60 day GTCs $47.08 USD. Personally I wouldnt be complaining about $35 USD for a 60 day GTC, americans will still end up paying less for eve than the rest of the world.

Matrixcvd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:41:00 - [79]
 

wow, 90 days were 37$, this is ridiculous, so for 30 days less we pay 3 dollars less? i occassionally buy GTC for isk if i get hit hard in game, just to give me a boost back to making money that wont ever happen again,

ever see that direct TV commerical poking fun at ridiculous cable companies? i got this strange feeling that CCP went to the same buisness school as that A%%hole in the commercials.

people complain about the game/service so the only logical thing for CCP to do is raise the price?

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:42:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Apocryphai
Oh BTW, there's going to be a rush on 90d GTC's on shattered crystal etc...

I guess now would be a good time to mention I have an affiliate link on my website (website link in my sig) and it's barely been used for months now. *shameless hint hint* Razz

mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:47:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: mamolian on 22/05/2008 16:47:02
This upsets me. It will cost you at least one of my accounts CCP.

Jacob Marden
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:48:00 - [82]
 

Unless I read the CSM election results wrong, it states that almost 40% of the subscription base is North American. Making that much of your playerbase pay more money essentially because the smaller percentage of Euros are evading their own countries' taxes by buying with dollars doesn't strike me as making much sense. The NA people are going to be making the same amount of income regardless, so increasing the cost of their entertainment will just alienate more of them and sooner or later they'll talk with their money.

Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:49:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Matrixcvd
ever see that direct TV commerical poking fun at ridiculous cable companies? i got this strange feeling that CCP went to the same buisness school as that A%%hole in the commercials.


LOL That's exactly what I was thinking

Warrior Crash
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:50:00 - [84]
 

if its gunna be costing more to play you need to be building a new server because im not up for paying for 1 that lags bad as it is now.
It doesnt matter what country you live in now the cost of living is going up as it is, and the wages dont go up so your basicly screewing your selfs as most people will not be able to afford to pay for the game each month.


Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:51:00 - [85]
 

CCP: Finding new and innovative ways to bone our customers on a regular basis. We couldn't stop at adding crap to the game no one wants, while not fixing things that have been broken for years.

No, we had to shaft everyone that uses game time cards to play the game too. Viva la customer satisfaction.

theteck
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:52:00 - [86]
 

35%

maybe its the time to stop playing ... i buy 90 day all the time because the price but now its finish

:(

Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:59:00 - [87]
 

This game has unhealthy number of alts. It is nice to see that CPP is working on solution.

Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
Posted - 2008.05.22 16:59:00 - [88]
 

with the spare manpower available with the new 60 day gtc maybe they could spare them to go bug hunting LaughingLaughingLaughing

Rei Toai
untilted.
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:04:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: bestsnail

Accually he is right. Americans right now pay alot less per month to play the game.


i'd guess your argument is flawed.
people that pay in USD pay the same as before - unless there's a big in/deflation an USD will buy in the USD almost the same as before.

the ones that pay alot less, are those that "import" GTCs (like into the -zone) ... while the USD drops they can buy more stuff that is priced in USD.

unless the ISK follows the USD in trend, it also means CCP's revenue in the US is diminishing.

Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
Evi1 Empire
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:04:00 - [90]
 

What will happen with GTC, which is already bought, but not activated? Hell, Wrangler, if you post bad news - write more clearly.


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