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Callum545
Posted - 2008.05.21 14:57:00 - [1]
 

Does anyone else think the rokh looks to small because when you compare it with a abaddon or a hyperion it looks tiny and also with it being a tier 3 bs u wud expect it to be bigger than a raven but it looks exactly the same size

Gealbhan
Caldari
GealCorp
Posted - 2008.05.21 14:58:00 - [2]
 

It's not the size of the ship but the motion of... ah forget it.

Agent Li
Caldari
CCCP INC
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:00:00 - [3]
 

Yeah, I think my Rokh needs at least four more high slots, five more mid slots, and three more lows.

Yeah.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:00:00 - [4]
 

Buff BlackOps


Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:01:00 - [5]
 

Caldari battleships are all small.
Check them out

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:02:00 - [6]
 

All caldari ships seem somewhat smaller tha the other race's.
However, they do look a lot like the high tech ships they're supposed to be with all the antennas and other sensors sticking out everywhere (Raven, Scorpion, Ferox...)
The drake and the rokh look like they're pretty new designs (which they probably are supposed to be)
What I don't really get is how they are supposed to be high tech and small and still are pretty slow at the same time.

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:03:00 - [7]
 

yeah, all the other battleships for every other race are about twice as big as caldari battleships... i guess those larger drone bays (also on every other battleship) must really make take up a lot of space

Lord Zoran
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:06:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Lord Zoran on 21/05/2008 15:06:10
it's because caldari don't have to make up for something Cool

Pantaloon McPants
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:11:00 - [9]
 

ahh memories of when it was the same size as the chimera. oh wait

Staggerr
Broski North
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:13:00 - [10]
 

Yeah lets upscale it so that the guns on it are even smaller in comparision! Awesome idea!

The rokh also looks sexy next to the large lump that is called Hyperion. And why would a higher tier mean a bigger size? Thats like saying a carfactory should design a new car and make it larger than an older model.

Nykole
Nation of Muppets
Real Life Rejects
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:15:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Caldari battleships are all small.
Check them out
the rokh is so small i think it fell off your diagram... its not even listed, so whats up with that?

Xennith
Imperial Logistics and Supply
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:15:00 - [12]
 

I love my brick!

It is a bit odd that it aligns so slowly considering its so small, but im sure ill live.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:19:00 - [13]
 

Shield-reliant ships like those used by the State already emit a huge signature. Making the ship itself larger would only make them that much more susceptible to severe hits from enemy guns. I mean from a pseudo-technological perspective that's what's going on there and that's why the Caldari ships are often smaller than the corresponding ship in the other factions.

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:19:00 - [14]
 

A ship that has all its drives located at the very rear is gonna have trouble alligning quickly imo.

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:31:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hanneshannes
All caldari ships seem somewhat smaller tha the other race's.
However, they do look a lot like the high tech ships they're supposed to be with all the antennas and other sensors sticking out everywhere (Raven, Scorpion, Ferox...)
The drake and the rokh look like they're pretty new designs (which they probably are supposed to be)
What I don't really get is how they are supposed to be high tech and small and still are pretty slow at the same time.


I suppose the reason is the "graviton generators" on the ships which make them incredibly high mass.

That being said, since there is absolutely no benefit in game to differentiate between any of the propulsion systems it's fairly silly.

The simple fact that Caldari Ships physically warp space around themselves to move (thus the high mass) indicates they would be able to travel at any speed and would be immune to most mechanisms that attempt to halt of slow their progress. Of course such things would be wildly unblanced.

And if you read any of the eve short stories you'll note that Caldari ships are refered to as "sleek and fast" when better descriptions are "bulbous and slow" with only a handful of exceptions (the Drake for example is sleek and slow while the Crow is both sleek and fast)

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:39:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Hanneshannes on 21/05/2008 15:38:57
oO Caldari ships move space rather than themselves?

Link?

Horin Bemerrig
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:50:00 - [17]
 

i like the caldari ships being small, it give the statement that "haha were so technologically advanced that we can fit the same ammount of systems as your ships in a package half the size"

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:53:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hanneshannes
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 21/05/2008 15:38:57
oO Caldari ships move space rather than themselves?

Link?


I am a silly bastard it seems. After checking the item database it seems that the ships are propelled by "magnetic pulse" and are powered by a "graviton generator". In most SciFi a graviton generator provides artificial gravity by a number of theories. In this instance it would appear that somehow by "warping" space time with gravition particles (which I don't believe are known to exist) power is generated along with gravity. Still, artifical creation of mass (in direct violoation of the laws of thermodynamics, which according to my Thermodynamics IV I ought to be able to raise an eyebrow at) means that if one could increase the mass of a ship, one could do all sorts of whacky things to space in general.

Since this caldari technology is even less well developed in terms of backstory than the stargates (which have an entire article devoted to them) one is simply left stretching for answers. In fact, the only propulsion system that actually exists in the game that's possible to build to day is the ion thruster, and the only power core being used is the nuclear reactor.

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.05.21 15:56:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Horin Bemerrig
i like the caldari ships being small, it give the statement that "haha were so technologically advanced that we can fit the same ammount of systems as your ships in a package half the size"


Well, to be fair according to the Eve cannon, the caldari military started out as single man fighters during the Caldari - Gallente War. At some point the Gallente's devloped viable drones and were able to overcome the fighters advantages (thus the reason for gallente drone superiority), so the caldari's developed frigates. At another point Jovians gave capsule technology to the other empires (or perhaps just the Caldari, I read the story long ago when I was first downloading the game) making it possible to reduce the crew on frigates to just one in most circumstances.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2008.05.21 16:37:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Nykole
Originally by: Nyphur
Caldari battleships are all small.
Check them out
the rokh is so small i think it fell off your diagram... its not even listed, so whats up with that?

It's not my diagram, that's the eve ship comparison chart that was released BEFORE the rohk came out. I used it as an example of the fact that caldari battleships are notoriously small anyway.

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 16:47:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Hanneshannes on 21/05/2008 16:48:51
The rokh is the largest caldari BS with about 1000 meters in length, I think. The raven is about 750 long and pretty much the same wide.

I'll see if I can find that picture.

-E- Here goes.

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.05.21 17:15:00 - [22]
 

LOL, have you ever tried to place a Raven at the side of a Machariel?

Then we absolutely can say the Raven is even more smallerLaughing.

Jennae
Gallente
LiveTech
Posted - 2008.05.21 17:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Hanneshannes
Edited by: Hanneshannes on 21/05/2008 16:48:51
The rokh is the largest caldari BS with about 1000 meters in length, I think. The raven is about 750 long and pretty much the same wide.

I'll see if I can find that picture.

-E- Here goes.



Wow. Sweet. A Sansha's Nighthawk. Never seen one of them before!

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 17:26:00 - [24]
 

Ya, they realised the caldari ships are far more menacing, so they call it nighthawk to scare ppl :D

Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.21 18:31:00 - [25]
 

my rokh is pretty big honest Embarassed

Illrae Pyou
Posted - 2008.05.21 18:44:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Illrae Pyou on 21/05/2008 18:45:09
Shouldn't Minmitars be the slow ones? They're the ones who make ships out of metal scraps and duct tape. They should come apart going that fast.

Elhina Novae
HAMMER -N- SICKEL
Posted - 2008.05.21 19:22:00 - [27]
 

CCP are firm believers that size doesn't matter :)

Guvante
Dreddit
Posted - 2008.05.21 19:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Illrae Pyou
Edited by: Illrae Pyou on 21/05/2008 18:45:09
Shouldn't Minmitars be the slow ones? They're the ones who make ships out of metal scraps and duct tape. They should come apart going that fast.


Nah Duct Tape is how they make T2, T1 is stuck together with Scotch tape. Laughing

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.05.21 19:48:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
LOL, have you ever tried to place a Raven at the side of a Machariel?

Then we absolutely can say the Raven is even more smallerLaughing.


I undocked my raven next to a dominix yesterday and was thinking wtf, let's get into warp quickly, this is embarassing :( and caldari call it a battleship...

Nai Weil
Caldari
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2008.05.21 20:09:00 - [30]
 

I think Caldari have smaller ships because they have low armour - all the other races have armour tank, and hence their ships all bloat up in mass. Caldari, as savvy shield tankers, don't need all that extra tritanium protection.


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