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Deathifier
Minmatar
Loyalty Point Regulation Council
Posted - 2008.06.03 21:40:00 - [211]
 

hmmm I assume the player you're referring to is Martin Blanke. Looks like hes still in the alliance so I imagine they're still actively hunting him.
Heh, one thing I often find amusing is how obsessed people are with killboard stats. They added t2 cargo rigs to it so the isk lost value would be almost 1 billion. Laughing

Although I see they got an even juicer kill recently, faction fitted rattlesnake worth about 5 bill in total. Somone must be feeling suicidal atm YARRRR!!

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.06.03 22:00:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
Having said that, despite your troll like comment, the evemail would not, in fact, be fake. The OP did gank a former corpmate of mine in a CNR and immediately (without my former corpmate saying a word) sent at evemail that went something like this (this is a reenactment based on the original eve mail. Some things have been altered, but not by too much.)


Without your corpmate saying a word? Ok, I'm not gonna say you're lying, but I will say that your former corpmate is.

Originally by: Karlemgne

Thanks noob! You dropped enough stuff for us to keep your alliance war dec'd for a month. You should tell the leader of your crappy alliance that he was stupid for allowing those noobs to join [here he's talking about the original corp that was war dec'd].

You really ought to find yourself a corp that will teach you how to pvp [the former corpmate of mine is a reformed pirate and was ganked in a 5v1 where he was sensor damped the whole fight, and he managed to kill a harpy despite this]. For that matter, your whole alliance needs to learn to pvp.

I'm going to keep ganking you until you leave your corp, or your corp leaves its alliance.



Anyone who knows Nexa knows that he would never write anything like this. Not even if provoked by earlier smack. You're not even very good at faking eve-mails.

Originally by: Karlemgne

Its worth noting that my friend responded to this in return, suggesting that the op send his corp mates to the forums to get setups, because that would be better advice than they're getting now (the harpy had an aweful tech 1 fitting and was instapopped before my friend was sensor dampened). So in this case, the OP was smacked back, after smacking first... and he continued to smack my former corpmate in a series of mails.


Yeah, sure. It sounds so plausible, doesn't it. By the way, your former corpmate really shouldn't talk about fittings when he fits a T1 shield boost amp on a CNR.

Originally by: Karlemgne

But hey, your like his alt right? You should know all of this. Wink


I know more than you apparently.

Seriously, Karl, shouldn't you be crusading for the rights of isk sellers or something?

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.06.03 22:05:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne

No, but making off the cuff remarks about other people "faking" evemails is trolling. Kthnxbygohomeyoulose.


It's not trolling if it's true. What you did would constitute "lying" though.

Originally by: Karlemgne

There are actually lots of reasons for argumentation. For instance you could be paid to argue a point that you didn't agree with. This could happen, say if you were an attorney.

Occasionally people like to argue just to see people get upset. On the internet we call these people trolls. You are one of them, you should know all about this.


Am I making you upset, Karl? Because except for the die-hard (lol) carebears in this thread, what I say shouldn't really surprise or upset anyone.

Originally by: Karlemgne

What is more, it is possible to have a vision of the eve we'd like to play, and the eve how it should be
given the way the game has evolved. So me, for instance, I'd like to see a game with totally unrestricted pvp. No high-sec, no low-sec, no criminal flags.

Because this game is what it is, I know that this will never be, at least not in eve-online. So I'm not going to "argue" something that, given the context, would be really ****ing stupid to argue.


And I'm not arguing for that either. Perhaps you should read my posts before trying to put words in my mouth?

Originally by: Karlemgne

I disagree with you here. First the word "impress" implies something that that goes deeper than mere argumentation. I think it is more apt to say that arguments that rely on rationality and logic are aimed at convincing others to our position, rather than impressing our opinions on others.


Fair enough, bad choice of words on my part. Again, I blame the Swedish school system.

Originally by: Karlemgne

Secondly, if the devs agreed with you, the game would be different than it is. These guys do more than argue, they design the game and implement their vision. If they really shared your convictions, eve would already be a different game. God knows they've had enough time to "tinker" with the war dec system, and their changes I might add, are part of what you and the OP seem to be complaining about (like the war dec limitations).


Well, the devs might not share my convictions, but I sure as hell share theirs. Over the years they have made a few bad decisions, sure, but over all they are making the game better and better. This is done by NOT catering to the carebears.

Originally by: Karlemgne

How about arrogant, insulting, troll whose main form of argumentation is veiled insinuations that others are lying and personal attacks. In other words, ad hominem arguments that are totally worthless.


I'm not insinuating anything. You are a liar, and no half-arsed attempt of "reenacting" an eve-mail from a former corpmate is going to convince me otherwise. You are a liar, and a bad one.

Deathifier
Minmatar
Loyalty Point Regulation Council
Posted - 2008.06.04 08:51:00 - [214]
 

btw Ki An, have you been pvping on a different account lately? According to your killboards your last kill was about 3 1/2 months ago.

Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:12:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
Thanks noob! You dropped enough stuff for us to keep your alliance war dec'd for a month. You should tell the leader of your crappy alliance that he was stupid for allowing those noobs to join [here he's talking about the original corp that was war dec'd].

You really ought to find yourself a corp that will teach you how to pvp [the former corpmate of mine is a reformed pirate and was ganked in a 5v1 where he was sensor damped the whole fight, and he managed to kill a harpy despite this]. For that matter, your whole alliance needs to learn to pvp.

I'm going to keep ganking you until you leave your corp, or your corp leaves its alliance.




Let's try this again.

I told him Good Fight. I told him which people in the alliance were responsible for his death. The lamers from The Black Dragon who smack talked and reneged on agreements, as well as their inane alliance CEO for accepting them.

I said his loot was enough to fund another month of war against the alliance.

I never made one negative comment about him. He bashed my corpies Harpy setup, unfortunately I don't know Harpy setups but you can see his here...

http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Ben+Sinister&id=3392300&page=1&filter=losses#mail

I don't see a "aweful tech 1 fitting and was instapopped before my friend was sensor dampened). " as your friend claimed. BTW, there is no "e" in awful.

Once he commented back about the Harpy setup, I did remind him he could also find a new corp or alliance in the recruitment section.

Honestly, I think he lashed out just because he lost a billion ISK for no good reason.

BTW, your uber friend and his faction fit CNR was held at the gate long enough for our gang to warp 40au, lock and pin him down.

I mean really, if you want to talk pvp smarts and fittings, his tactic was crap, his flying a expensively fit CNR to run missions during a war was idiotic at best, he was never damped either so not sure where he figured that, and really, if he instapopped the Harpy, why would he stick around? Any intelligent person would've been aligned and ready to warp out when they saw 3 other war targets in the system.

I can post my mail to him once I get home. I spoke with Leindo who also claimed I smacked, but when I sent him the actual email, he agreed it didn't smack like his friend Martin claimed.

I noticed none of you have even tried to fight really. Plenty of people are quitting your alliance, and in talking with the ones that have left, they really don't speak very highly of it. I would think you took in The Black Dragon to get some action on the battlefront, but judging from your post, I am guessing that you're friends with them and took them in figuring the people decing them might run from a pirate/pvp alliance.

I was talking with some friends who also dec'd you a while ago and they had the same things to say about your alliance.

I never heard of it before, but so far, as I said, there was smack talk from The Black Dragon folk, then others have logoffski'd, or were stabbing their cloaking recons heh. I haven't seen much from you guys.

So nice try on the weak attempt to make me look like I smack talked him. I never did. I mentioned who was to blame for his death. I advised that his loot would fund the war effort for many weeks to come. He responded back bashing the Harpy pilot's fitting. Plain and simple. As I said, once I get home, I will post my email, unedited.

Funny how nothing you or your friend said makes sense. I didn't smack him because I've never even met him before. I just advised him who was responsible for the war and his subsequent death. His claims on the Harpy fit being a crappy t1 setup was wrong. Him being ganked by a 5vs1 is wrong. Funny how that works.

Thanks for posting, now I can add your name to the address book for locating. Laughing

Jakke Logan
Caldari
F Off And Die
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:36:00 - [216]
 

One suggestion I have for the "brave" Empire wardec'ers like the Privateers, is that if you actually declare war, you actually FIGHT.

Fight=! docking up in a station and spewing smack the second your blob sees two reds who aren't haulers or exhumers.

Yep, that's what it's like to "fight" the privateers.



Melllo champers
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:46:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Jakke Logan


words




May I suggest changing the name of your 1 man corp to:

Come Here And Hug Me


Jakke Logan
Caldari
F Off And Die
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:49:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Melllo champers
Originally by: Jakke Logan


words




May I suggest changing the name of your 1 man corp to:

Come Here And Hug Me




I'm just waiting on someone to war dec me so I can ally with all my other 1 man corps to drive up the price.

Very Happy

Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:49:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne
Edited by: Karlemgne on 03/06/2008 06:57:33
This guy, and his corp is a real piece of work. He says he only looking for "good fights" in empire. Anyone with more than 6 months pvp experience in this game knows there is relatively little of that.


Oh really? I did say that? I never said we're only looking for "good fights". I am more than happy to get easy kills and grief people. Some fights are good, some are crap. I prefer good ones but you can't always get what you want.

I mean, you're a pirate/pvp alliance according the the corp bios I've read. Why are we not getting a fight?

If you think you won't get a good fight in Empire, then dec someone like REPO or Ivy League. See how many fights suck.



Originally by: Karlemgne
If he wanted good fights, he could simply travel to low-sec where he can have lots of fun times with a number of corps very experienced in pvp. Its telling that he doesn't, that he makes a big deal about the limitations of the war dec system.


Yes, lord knows all low sec and 0.0 engagements are completely fair and even and all of your opponents are well versed in pvp. Silly me for forgeting.


Originally by: Karlemgne
From my perspective, its fine to whine about the war dec system, but please don't pretend that you engage in war dec's because you're in it for the "good fights."


I never did. Not sure where you got that. If you've read any of my posts, I freely admit to picking on weak targets and "griefing" people.


Originally by: Karlemgne
If that was your goal, you'd either be out in low-sec/npc 0.0 or you wouldn't be complaining that the non-pvp corps jump corps when you war dec them.


Learn to read. I am not complaining that they jumped. I had an issue with them creating alt corps to hide in and jump through to avoid war. Plenty have left your alliance, and you don't see me complaining. They're not using alt corps to do it.


Originally by: Karlemgne


People might smack them, but only after there has already been some fight or aggression by the OPs corp.


Actually several of the Black Dragon people smacked without being killed. I think they had 20k ISK worth of ore can flipped. I killed one in a shuttle and he sent me 3 emails of how much I sucked and how we wont be fighting much after they joined VoW cause you guys were gonna pwn us.

Originally by: Karlemgne
The last thing I'll say on the matter is this. The OP recently killed a CNR of a friend of mine who was a war target. Perfectly legit kill, no smack talk on the part of my former corpmate. This kill was followed by a evemail from the OP talking about how much he sucked as a pvper (he was ganked by 5 ships and sensor dampened the whole fight) and about how much my former corpmate's alliance sucked.


Mostly lies. I said The Black Dragons were lame, and the alliance made a bad choice in recruiting them.

Originally by: Karlemgne
Again, my former corpmate never had any contact with these people before this incident. To top it all off (oh the irony) the OP then suggest that my old corpmate should either leave his current corp, or take his current corp out of the alliance he is in, to avoid being ganked again.


It's good advice if that person doesn't want to pvp and just wants to mission all day. Join a corp that doesn't smack or at least join one that helps you fight.

Originally by: Karlemgne
I'm sorry, but if you are encouraging the people you kill to engage in a particular type of behavior, you are no longer allowed to be taken seriously when you complain about that behavior on the forums.


Learn to comprehend what you read, seriously. I said at least 3 times in this thread I don't have any issues with people jumping to NPC corps or legitimate corps, only with the ones jumping through 4 alt corps specifically created to avoid war.

You fail.

End of story.

Melllo champers
Posted - 2008.06.04 16:59:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Jakke Logan
Originally by: Melllo champers
Originally by: Jakke Logan


words




May I suggest changing the name of your 1 man corp to:

Come Here And Hug Me




I'm just waiting on someone to war dec me so I can ally with all my other 1 man corps to drive up the price.

Very Happy


Ah, then I suggest you join them together and name the alliance:

Corporations Utilising New Tactics

At least until CCP declare this an exploit. Wink

Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.06.05 04:30:00 - [221]
 

Edited by: Nexa Necis on 05/06/2008 05:20:37
Originally by: Karlemgne

Thanks noob! You dropped enough stuff for us to keep your alliance war dec'd for a month. You should tell the leader of your crappy alliance that he was stupid for allowing those noobs to join [here he's talking about the original corp that was war dec'd].

You really ought to find yourself a corp that will teach you how to pvp [the former corpmate of mine is a reformed pirate and was ganked in a 5v1 where he was sensor damped the whole fight, and he managed to kill a harpy despite this]. For that matter, your whole alliance needs to learn to pvp.

I'm going to keep ganking you until you leave your corp, or your corp leaves its alliance.





Let's compare, shall we? First off your friend lied on many levels. The only thing he said that was correct was that I emailed him. That's about it to be honest.

He claimed he was ganked 5vs1, but it wasn't. Really it was 4vs1 but he popped the Harpy as we warped in and the Harpy hardly dented him, so really it was a 3vs1.

He wasn't damped. Even if he was, we were using blasters except for the Tempest and we were all within 10km from him and even with 3 or 4 damps he would be able to lock and hit. But none of us had damps as far as I know.

He claimed my corpmate's Harpy was a crap T1 fit. It was mostly T2. It doesn't seem poorly fitted, but I am not familiar fitting one so I honestly couldn't say. It wasn't fitted with crap T1 gear and he wasn't insta-popped. He died as I warped in which took a good 30 seconds to get there.

Here is the email I sent him....

2008.05.30 06:34
Leindo is the one who got you killed. With that loot we can keep your alliance dec'd for another month. Also thank your CEO for letting those losers in.

GF and thanks for the goodies.

Nexa


Think that's a lie? Here's a screenie too...

Pics or it didn't happen.

I never said a single word about him. I said The Black Dragon folks were losers, which is based on them smack talking, corp jumping, stabbing/cloaking and running and hiding. I mean you're telling me they're not pvp'ers but they're in a pirate/pvp alliance, then something is not right.

I guess either you or your friend is lying. Nice try though.

Kage Psychodin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.06.05 07:06:00 - [222]
 

RazzA little on topic as opposed to other thread absorbed drama, it would be nice if there was something to stop people from rapidly joining other corps. I think two changes between player corps over the period of 7 days is about right. likewise, A CEO who leaves a corp should not be able to create a new corp for a period of 7 days or take that role. If someone changes corps twice between 7 days however, and wishes to leave, they are not quite fully "locked in". They would have to quit the corp entirely, and be stuck in an NPC corp for a period of 7 days.

You must be able to leave a player corp ASAP. Some corps (I've only heard stories, I never want to be mean to people so funny as RAK) Have taken in players and then used the fact of corp violence being exempt from concord to shoot them. That is why one must always be able to leave a player corp. However, making them stuck in an NPC corp does definitely keep them broken up for some time.

Just my thoughts on it.

Noodle Pastaman
Posted - 2008.06.05 07:53:00 - [223]
 

Who cares from where CCP is going war decs will probably be removed totally which is a good thing

M'ing Pai
The Jagged Edge
Posted - 2008.06.05 15:41:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Patri Andari
I post with my alt because I'm too cowardly to smack with a toon that can actually suffer the consequences. I also enjoy smacking from stations. That's how I roll, because I lack the cajones needed to actually lay anything on the line in an interweb spaceship game, but I like to talk like I'm tough.



Fixed it for you.

Originally by: Patri Andari

More importantly you keep throwing out that "Post with your main" garbage to avoid answering questions.Rolling Eyes Oh and BTW who the hell was talking to you anyway fanboi?



It's a public forum, and as a member of the OP's corporation in good standings for 9 months, I have just as much stake in this as Nexa does. Also, in case you didn't notice, I've been a part of this conversation since the first thread about it.

Originally by: Patri Andari

I tell you what, you post with your miner or research alt that way people who want to know can tell how you make your isk, cause it damned sure ain't from PvP if the killboards are to be believed. YARRRR!!



I make all my money on my main, thank you. Just as Eve-Uni. They failed to gank me in a mission after probing me out.

Originally by: Patri Andari

lol: proof of M'ing Pai's Awesomeness.

Patri



HAHAHA

You failed to mention this was the product of a suicide gank against this guy. It's truly pathetic that this is the best you can come up with... especially when it's so obvious. Go back under your bridge.

Deathifier
Minmatar
Loyalty Point Regulation Council
Posted - 2008.06.05 16:47:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: M'ing Pai
Originally by: Patri Andari
I post with my alt because I'm too cowardly to smack with a toon that can actually suffer the consequences. I also enjoy smacking from stations. That's how I roll, because I lack the cajones needed to actually lay anything on the line in an interweb spaceship game, but I like to talk like I'm tough.



Fixed it for you.

Originally by: Patri Andari

More importantly you keep throwing out that "Post with your main" garbage to avoid answering questions.Rolling Eyes Oh and BTW who the hell was talking to you anyway fanboi?



It's a public forum, and as a member of the OP's corporation in good standings for 9 months, I have just as much stake in this as Nexa does. Also, in case you didn't notice, I've been a part of this conversation since the first thread about it.

Originally by: Patri Andari

I tell you what, you post with your miner or research alt that way people who want to know can tell how you make your isk, cause it damned sure ain't from PvP if the killboards are to be believed. YARRRR!!



I make all my money on my main, thank you. Just as Eve-Uni. They failed to gank me in a mission after probing me out.

Originally by: Patri Andari

lol: proof of M'ing Pai's Awesomeness.

Patri



HAHAHA

You failed to mention this was the product of a suicide gank against this guy. It's truly pathetic that this is the best you can come up with... especially when it's so obvious. Go back under your bridge.


Too many of those and no more high sec warfare for you Wink

Angel Lightbringer
Caldari
Nexus Shipyards
Posted - 2008.06.06 14:44:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Lurana Lay
If you want to bother people who have no skills, don't want to fight and have no interest in your brand of pvp then whatver annoyance you get in return is perfectly fine, even commendable.ugh

In short, man up and find someone worth fighting, join rvb, go 0.0, dec some goons or bob or someone with real teeth. Barring that, quit whining.

/signed, from the bottom of my heart.

To top this, the last corp who griefed one of my corpmate got wardecc'ed by a true PVP corp (so I take it) the day after and whined in local how unfair it was.
Sure, it's so more fair to gank a PvE-fitted ship... Rolling Eyes

What angers me the most is that they force THEIR view of fun unto others. "I want to fight, I like it. You don't? awww... DIE!"

No respect what so ever for the player. Easy marks, always.


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