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Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:21:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Amastat on 17/05/2008 19:24:11
Originally by: Kuseka Adama
CVA is not just a vocal minority. CVA has a real beef here wether you want to believe that or not jackass.

The area of providence sees the highest class PVP ships and pvpers We dont get the wussies around here. We get hard core ready to die SOB's fitted with the baddest gear they can find. The fact is FW isnt an improvement. Its a slap in the face to those who have been trying to move this storyline forward. They have invested countless hours enough isk to build a FLEET of titans all in the name of an empire who just said we dont need you. They have defended their space time and time again against the toughest forces around. And this is their reward!?

I can not begin to comprehend how CVA is handling this internally. RP wise i have no idea just how they are going to procede next. If it was me? I would probably be questioning EVERYTHING. Provi is going to undergo some drastic changes if this expansion stays as is. I dont know what the hell is next but speaking as a citizen of providence. Perhaps its time independence was sought instead of loyalty.


Where in the entirety of this thread said anything about CVA? I never really considered them a vocal minority tbh - most alliances aren't IMO. You may have others that have more outspoken members, but I don't think there is any sizable alliances in this entire game that has members that are all completely vocal.

It's not often I ever see many CVA posters if you ask me too. I've only ever seen them in RP forums and here because of the recent expansion.

As for CVA's existing complaints - they cannot be accused of being nonsensical or flawed. This is creating a problem, that sucks, for them. I don't blame them, they have every right to be upset about that. CCP looking at the issue, and/or trying to fix it isn't going to hurt the game - so this is a valid and competent issue to complain about.

It's also been implied most of the vocal minority are idiots and just cry for the sake of crying, even thought heir complaints would really just ruin the game if listened to. We never said there is no such thing as a constructive or valid argument or complaint - its been implied that most tends to be, not all of it - in no way.

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:23:00 - [32]
 

For the record the comment you quoted is directed at the OP

Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
Posted - 2008.05.17 19:25:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
For the record the comment you quoted is directed at the OP


The OP never said anything about CVA - as I said, nothing has been said in the entire thread.

Mystri
Posted - 2008.05.17 20:11:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Amastat
Dunno where you been but no one is saying that. Everyones saying for CCP to keep it up, sort the sane suggestions/complaints from the insane ones.

You missed my point. I was refering to my interpretation of the OP's statement of blowing smoke up CCP's arse. The CCP staff are quite capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff (when it's a well constructed coherent post). But saying that we are "extremely happy" and "ungrateful" (OP's words) is stretching the truth. CCP are doing a decent job, but we the players also need to keep pushing (constructive criticism) to improve the game.

Originally by: Amastat
As for the 'silent majority' - I don't know why everyone is saying this because: They don't exist.

The posts in this thread are refering to the OP, "We the silent majority are very happy with the game and any and all improvements!"

Originally by: Amastat
There is a non-vocal majority. The silent ones are probably a minority, the majority is those who sparsely use the forums, the ones who actually are playing EVE instead of yapping their worthless heads off on the forums 24-7.

Can we establish the definition of vocal?

Vocal definition: To express oneself, to be heard, having a voice. Basically expressing your opinion.

"There is a non-vocal majority" = Using the vocal definition, the majority of people are not expressing their opinion; at least not on the forums. Therefore they are silent. CCP don't read local/private/corp chat, they rely on the forums.

"The silent ones are probably a minority, the majority is those who sparsely use the forums" You used the word "probably", therefore you are not confident of that statement without hard facts. Only CCP can give the true stats on the percentage of subscribers that post their opinions on the mechanics/features. I'm confident in saying that the majority of players do not post their opinions about the mechanics/features on this forum (prove me otherwise).

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Why does Gentle Miner start threads and then Amastat respond to the replies? Is Gentle Miner Amastat's Sockpuppet-TestTheWater-CannonFodder-TakeTheHeatAwayFromMe alt? Because it is a guarantee that Amastat will post in Gentle Miner thread... maybe it's a manage-a-trois, or some sick psychological game. Wink
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Shaikar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.17 21:31:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Gentle Miner
I'd just like to say on behalf of the majority of players please don't listen to the vocal minority.


As duely appointed representative of 82.7% of all humanity (future, living and dead) I cannot endorse this person and refute her claims to speak for anyone beyond herself.

Originally by: Gentle Miner
Thank you CCP! We love ya lots!


I can however endorse this sentiment.

Gentle Miner
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.05.17 21:45:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Gentle Miner on 17/05/2008 21:52:53
Originally by: Mystri
Is that what you are going to encourage Ankhesentapemkah to say to CCP IF she gets voted in? "Everything is fine CCP, no problem CCP, the game is perfect CCP, don't listen to your customers as they are all wrong, we know better because some people gave their opinions in a CSM thread."
Of course not, if there are problems they should be discussed constructively. Not all the "The end is near", "CCP Sucks" or "The sky is falling" threads that are so prevalent on the forums.


Originally by: Mystri
Hmmm, are you sure you are not Ankhesentapemkah's alt?
Yes quite sure, and please forgive me for not staying silent, I will now shut up and go back and join the silent majority.

Originally by: Mystri
Although the CCP crew are talented bunch, the sun doesn't quite shine out their arse.

Originally by: Mystri
I was refering to my interpretation of the OP's statement of blowing smoke up CCP's arse.
No, I was just trying to make a post and show some gratitude for the hard work they do. You show some signs of bitterness, let's address your real issues? If you care to share.

Originally by: Mystri
But saying that we are "extremely happy" and "ungrateful" (OP's words) is stretching the truth. CCP are doing a decent job, but we the players also need to keep pushing (constructive criticism) to improve the game.
I know that I personally am extremely happy and I know many people are, so, I don't think that it lacks any validity and as for the people complaining and whining about every little thing and complaining about an expansion before it is even released before anyone has even played it is quite frankly extremely ungrateful! CCP have worked hard on it and to have the "vocal minority" people whining and crying I can only imagine how disheartening it would be.

Originally by: Mystri
The posts in this thread are refering to the OP, "We the silent majority are very happy with the game and any and all improvements!"
Yes, I should have picked my words better, which I said in my second post.

Mystri
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:27:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Gentle Miner
Originally by: Mystri
Hmmm, are you sure you are not Ankhesentapemkah's alt?
Yes quite sure, and please forgive me for not staying silent, I will now shut up and go back and join the silent majority.

No need to be defensive, i was only asking a question.

Originally by: Gentle Miner
Originally by: Mystri
Although the CCP crew are talented bunch, the sun doesn't quite shine out their arse.
...
I was refering to my interpretation of the OP's statement of blowing smoke up CCP's arse.
No, I was just trying to make a post and show some gratitude for the hard work they do. You show some signs of bitterness, let's address your real issues? If you care to share.

You seem to misunderstand sayings, and the fact that my posts was directed at you and not CCP (nice try though). I suggest you read my posts again (properly) before getting excited and selectively jumping on them whilst ignoring the rest of the post.

I certainly don't show any bitterness towards CCP in my posts, or in any of my posting history, precisely because i don't have any "real issues" with CCP. I would be either be very vocal or just silently leave the game if i had "issues" with the game. My main does show support to CCP and tries to help players out, but only the mods can see that. Wink Mystri is purely a sarcastic alt... who likes to have a little fun with people, but gets a little annoyed by CSM groupies being let out of their cage.

Gentle Miner
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:38:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Gentle Miner on 17/05/2008 22:43:03
Originally by: Mystri
You seem to misunderstand sayings, and the fact that my posts was directed at you and not CCP (nice try though). I suggest you read my posts again (properly) before getting excited and selectively jumping on them whilst ignoring the rest of the post.

I certainly don't show any bitterness towards CCP in my posts, or in any of my posting history, precisely because i don't have any "real issues" with CCP. I would be either be very vocal or just silently leave the game if i had "issues" with the game. My main does show support to CCP and tries to help players out, but only the mods can see that. Wink Mystri is purely a sarcastic alt... who likes to have a little fun with people, but gets a little annoyed by CSM groupies being let out of their cage.

I didn't actually say it was directed at CCP but I see now that it has something to do with the CSM and my supporting one of the candidates.

Originally by: Mystri
I suggest you read my posts again (properly) before getting excited and selectively jumping on them whilst ignoring the rest of the post.
Maybe you should take your own advice. You are the one nit picking and getting excited over my use of the term silent majority and missing the whole point of the post.

HarderThisTime
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:44:00 - [39]
 

Its you. You're the most useless poster ever. We finally found you.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:54:00 - [40]
 

Dear CCP

Unlike everyone else posting on these forums, I represent the majority.

Because I'm special.

wtf stop posting

Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
Posted - 2008.05.17 22:57:00 - [41]
 

I see the hordes of trolls crawling out from underneath their rocks - that time of the day already? Laughing

Johnny Gurkha
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.17 23:02:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Gentle Miner
I'd just like to say on behalf of the majority of players please don't listen to the vocal minority


Recent nerf's/changes, and "boosts" have led me to believe the whiny ****s on the forums get what they want sooner or later

Freya Runestone
Posted - 2008.05.17 23:26:00 - [43]
 

There will always be a majority thats silent in EVE. because noone can participate in all of EVE. Some people never went to 0.0, so why would they care what happens out there?
some have never been in a large alliance, so why would they be interested in what happens to help/hurt the large alliances?


Another part of the silent majority are the macro-miners/haulers
They are programs run on a computer, they have no opinion

Then there's the people who just play the game, and either don't know about the forum or don't care. those people chose to not get involved, for whatever reason.


The only thing common in the silent majority is that they are silent. The opinions is probably split pretty similarly to the vocal minority's opinions, but noone will ever know. Unless you go out and ask a few thousand people you wont know what they really think.
Anyone who think they can speak on behalf of this silent majority is completely out of their damn mind.

Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2008.05.18 00:43:00 - [44]
 

this thread...wow Shocked

Efdi
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.18 02:08:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: HarderThisTime
Its you. You're the most useless poster ever. We finally found you.


no u

kworld
Ministry of Destruction
The Uninvited.
Posted - 2008.05.18 02:24:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Kuseka Adama
CVA is not just a vocal minority. CVA has a real beef here wether you want to believe that or not jackass.



So what! who gives a **it about CVA because i dont! No one asked CVA to create a story line they just did it the amarr faction didnt ask them too either ccp didnt say hey there CVA do you want to start a story line for amarr in eve no they didnt.

So boo hoo get over it and stop whineing like a child if anything CCP is doing you a favour so stop crying and get a life or change to fw or stay doing the same thing in 0.0 for another 5 years that simple.


Amastat
Caldari
Blue Ring Defence
Posted - 2008.05.18 03:35:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Amastat on 18/05/2008 03:35:38
Originally by: kworld
Originally by: Kuseka Adama
CVA is not just a vocal minority. CVA has a real beef here wether you want to believe that or not jackass.



So what! who gives a **it about CVA because i dont! No one asked CVA to create a story line they just did it the amarr faction didnt ask them too either ccp didnt say hey there CVA do you want to start a story line for amarr in eve no they didnt.

So boo hoo get over it and stop whineing like a child if anything CCP is doing you a favour so stop crying and get a life or change to fw or stay doing the same thing in 0.0 for another 5 years that simple.




They honestly should be grateful if you consider how much whining and death-to-CCP crap that comes out of these peoples mouths, on CCP's own forums. THAT is tolerance; If I were CCP I would of nuked a awful lot of forum accesses for a lot of accounts a long time ago, screw the customer service - it isn't worth listening to on a day-to-day basis.

It's one thing when there is justified complaining, they have that right - but most of it isn't, probably a lot of Blizzard alts.

Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
Domination Heavy Industries
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.05.18 06:49:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/05/2008 06:50:17
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Gentle Miner
I'd just like to say on behalf of the majority of players please don't listen to the vocal minority. The majority of players are extremely happy with all of the improvements to the game and please don't be disheartened by listening to the whines and moans of the ungrateful vocal minority whom you can never please.

We the silent majority are very happy with the game and any and all improvements!

Thank you CCP! We love ya lots!


I'm sure CCP would rather see people whining and moaning than having to just hope that people are still taking an interest in their baby.

People wouldn't moan about Eve if they didn't care.


Avon, I'm sorry to say but you and I both know thats a BS line. People whine and ***** because they want things more to THEIR liking and when they see things they dont like or want, the first thing they do is run to the forums and scream bloody murder. You can't deny this as it is human nature. We all do it. Some a LOT more than others.

The people who actually care will make constructive posts comparing of what is, to what would be, explaining their 'personal' thoughts on how it would affect the game.

UNFORTUNATLY-- A whole lot of the community here is not that bright and can only resort to the screaming and hissy fits that are rampant on all the forums in EVE. Those are the ones I would hope the Dev teams simply ignore and cherry pick the posts that actually mean something.


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