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monkiboi
Minmatar
BSC LEGION
Split Infinity.
Posted - 2008.04.30 18:48:00 - [1]
 

While reading this thread on the lofty scam it started me wondering what the candidates are letting themselves in for.

How useful the CSM is or becomes remains to be seen but there's going to be precentage of the player base that now believe that they have a direct conduit to the devs.

So, lets take the ever increasing typical eve-o post where something "bad" has happened and they're going to go to the forums and vent goddamit! How are these people allowed to get away with this! I pay money for this game! Why should I be penalised for not having the time to play eve? You get the picture.

Now instead of the forums they have a CSM to vent at - and they'll listen because we voted for them goddamit! The cry goes up in local "just you wait, I'm writing to the CSM about you..." and they hit send on a badly formated rant (MLMP Very Happy )

So, CSM member logs in, notes flashing evemail icon, sighs and starts going through all the mails in the hope that one of those mails is giving the coordinates to a recently scanned dysp moon or a multi billion isk merc contract.

Two minuites into being online and a convo box pops up with someone else complaining about something they perceive you can influence. Your corp is wondering why you don't undock anymore and you're wondering why you actually logged in tonight.

Ok, I'm painting a pretty crappy picture but you only need to look at eve-o sometimes to see it's not that far fetched and anyone who's run a large corp or alliance has experienced this to some degree already.

You may of course disagree with me but spending time reading what people have to say, vote for the one I feel best represents where I'd like to see the game going and then finding 3 months later they left the CSM or stopped playing eve altogether wouldn't put me in the best of moods.

I actually admire the candidates for putting themselves up for this. It's not something I have the inclination to do and none of the above was meant as critism but while people are asking what they can expect from a CSM member maybe each member should start asking themselves what they're prepared to put up with from the playerbase. It is a game after all.

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.30 19:01:00 - [2]
 

I actually admire the candidates for putting themselves up for this.

Thank you for your support! I am fully aware of the commitment that being a CSM member (if voted in) will entail. I am happy for my in-game playing of Eve to take a backseat for a few months, as CSM duties would take the highest priority on my time.

Take care,
Bruce Hansen

Pizi
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.30 19:30:00 - [3]
 

i wonder that too

its like austrian and the EU
if the EU does something good austrian politicians claim it for themself
if itsnot that good, the big bad EU byrocracy did it


i hope the CSM isnt something for CCP to hide behind it

Gritt Pebbledasher
PURE Legion
Pure.
Posted - 2008.04.30 21:12:00 - [4]
 

The trick, and the serious responsibility of the CSM, regardless of who gets elected, is to make it an effective body that works *with* CCP to deliver results for the players. This isn't to say the CSM shouldn't stridently debate some CCP decisions or hold back from serious criticism of the status quo, but as the first iteration of CSMs, they (we, if I'm lucky) will be responsible for carving out how the CSM will work, how it will relate to CCP and what it will mean to the players. By going first, you have a responsibility of setting a precedent and, to my mind, that makes it very importnant that those members elected to the CSM get their execution of thier roles right.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.30 21:33:00 - [5]
 

Been there already and went through it all already, so I know what to expect.

As forum admin and admin of an UO freeserver, it doesn't matter what you do, there's always going to be whining and complaining and people that believe you're the one that's supposed to magically solve all their personal problems with other users, even though I was the one that's devoting loads of time to the community for no compensation at all. Every morning, the inbox was bursting. In both cases I kept going on for years until the community no longer needed my services.

Despite all the hate and slack, I also recieved a lot of gratitude for my efforts, and that's what it's all about.

It's a part of being in a position where others are dependant on you or because you have something that's in demand. I'm in the same situation as programmer, people contact me to help them with all kinds of problems, and a multitude of project managers want me on their team, but I have to make hard choices who to help and who to decline. Annoying for them, but I'm no good to anyone if I take on too much work. Similarly, I have to filter the issues presented to me, and turn down people are making unrealistic demands of me. It's part of the job.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.04.30 22:13:00 - [6]
 

You raise a valid point; there is a risk for the CSM to be drowned in communication. I'm anticipating a level similar to running an alliance of 80 separate corps Wink.

For the forum comms side of things , having a separate CSM forum for focused discussion will help enormously. I'd also like to see the introduction of a rating system on individual forum posts - so good ideas are clearly flagged and selected (voted if you like) for by the readers.

That won't help convo/evemail deluge, but it will help identify the key points being made on each side of the issues.


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.30 23:47:00 - [7]
 

As for Eve Mail, maybe I'm making a selfish suggestion but I really want a higher character limit.

I already get a lot of mails and it's usually Mail1a, Mail1b, Mail1c and Reply1a, Reply1b, Reply1c, etc, and copypasting it all into notepad first and back into Eve once the reply is finished.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.05.01 08:32:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: zoolkhan on 01/05/2008 08:35:21
Originally by: monkiboi

So, CSM member logs in, notes flashing evemail icon, sighs and starts going through all the mails in the hope that one of those mails is giving the coordinates to a recently scanned dysp moon or a multi billion isk merc contract.

Two minuites into being online and a convo box pops up with someone else complaining about something they perceive you can influence. Your corp is wondering why you don't undock anymore and you're wondering why you actually logged in tonight.


I have spent enough years in Tech Support / Helpdesk before i cut the chain from my Cube and Escaped.

There is nothing you can scare me with, not even with this Scenario Laughing

Sometimes i wake up all sweaty shouting "reboot reboot...its a damn cluster!!"
and my wife turns around annoyed saying "its that dream again, huh"

You get the picture.

TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.05.03 21:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: TornSoul on 03/05/2008 21:27:39
Originally by: monkiboi
So, CSM member logs in, notes flashing evemail icon, sighs and starts going through all the mails in the hope that one of those mails is giving the coordinates to a recently scanned dysp moon or a multi billion isk merc contract.

Two minuites into being online and a convo box pops up with someone else complaining about something they perceive you can influence. Your corp is wondering why you don't undock anymore and you're wondering why you actually logged in tonight.



Been there, done that already - Dont have the T-Shirt though Wink

(The convos come right at log in though, people don't wait 2 minutes Laughing)


(litte story)
The other day, I by chance noticed I had to scroll my inbox list several times, just to get through the names starting with "A"!!
Mentioned it to my corp mates, so ended up actually counting them - 73 in all.. And again, those are just the people with names starting with "A" who has mailed me for one or the other reason.
I have no idea how many total are actually in my inbox, but it must be thousands...
oh and I checked my P&P list as well while at it - A few short from having a 1000 people in my adress book.
And I don't just add people nilly-willy (like war targets etc), those are all people I've somehow had (important enough to add them) dealings with
(/little story)

The point of my little story, apart from illustrating that I'm used to that kind of level of communication activity, is to let those, who perhaps are less prepared, know that this *is* a real issue, and the level to which it can come.

Stick your neck out, and people will come running to have a whack at it, one way or another Wink

So be prepared.


And for those watching from the "outside" (not ending up on the CSM), this is also a story for you, to show just how much time/effort some people put in to make EVE a better game.


Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2008.05.03 23:52:00 - [10]
 

I haven't had to deal with being drowned in communication to date myself, possibly because of my odd timezone (Eve+12). However, my corp are already aware that I'm not undocking so much lately with the campaign now in full swing, hehe.

I don't doubt that it could become an issue for those who do get elected, but I would expect that all those who applied would be well aware of what election to the CSM could lead to in terms of increased communication with other players.

In my own case, I think back to when I applied for a moderator's position in late 2006. However, on the very same day that I received CCP's offer to take up the position, I also received an unexpected RL job offer (for the position I still have now), and decided that I couldn't guarantee a commitment to moderation that I could have done without the other offer coming through, so I had to turn it down.

My RL situation now is more settled. I'm enjoying my job and plan to stay where I am for at least the length of the first CSM term, so I do feel comfortable that I can handle whatever the CSM throws me at this point in time. Unless another surprise RL job offer comes up the day I get voted in, perhaps. Laughing

/Ben


 

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