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Anubis Xian
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.04.24 06:47:00 - [61]
 

The issue with nanos is not every ship can do it, and the ships that can't can't do much to fight them 1v1.

Shubs
Posted - 2008.04.24 09:39:00 - [62]
 

Alternatively you could Cyno in some Sniping Dreads, I heard they work well against Nano's Rolling Eyes

Squatdog
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:12:00 - [63]
 



1. Bring a Rapier.
2. Bring a Huginn.


You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nano***? Awesome!


3. Bring a Curse.

They'll warp away once their cap gets low.



4. Bring warrior IIs.

Drones won't catch them without at least two drone navs in mids

5. Overload webs.

Overloaded t2 Web has 13km range. FAIL



6. Bring missile spammers.

Nanos outrun precision missiles. FAIL


7. Bring ECM.

Won't kill the nanoboats unless you have tackler with web and an ECM boat sure as hell won't kill one by itself.

8. Bring tracking disruptors.


Won't help against drones or missiles.

9. Bring heavy tankers.

Won't help kill them.

10. Use remote reppers.

Won't help kill them.

Squatdog
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:16:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 24/04/2008 00:15:33
OMG, T2 frigs is faster than our nano HAC's, and they can get out of the fight without losing anything, NEEEEEEEEEERRRRRFFFF frigs plsRolling Eyes.

Stupid posts like this should have deserved a 1 month ingame & forum ban for beeing stupid.


A typical interceptor has ten times less tank and three to four times less DPS than a nanoboat.

No, wait...it's a perfectly valid comparison!

ChalSto
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:30:00 - [65]
 

Dont bring a knife to a gun fight
aka
Trying to catch nanos with BSs.

Its like trying to catch a flee with a cruise-missle...

Nanos are fine. Nerf players abillity to post on the forum.
Boost player tactics and logic.
aka
U are a n00b

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:35:00 - [66]
 

...or do you BS PvPing in low sec. Nanos and sentry guns don't mix very well.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:44:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/04/2008 11:43:55
Originally by: Vitrael
Killing and Surviving nanoships 101:

1. Bring a Rapier.
2. Bring a Huginn.
3. Bring a Curse.
4. Bring warrior IIs.
5. Overload webs.
6. Bring missile spammers.
7. Bring ECM.
8. Bring tracking disruptors.
9. Bring heavy tankers.
10. Use remote reppers.

I could go on.

To be honest if you lost a Megathron in a fleet of 30 to just 5 nanoships you are doing something terribly wrong.


Or we could simply nerf nanos because both you and I know why your list has nothing to do with the core issue of nanos.

El'Tar
Caldari
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:48:00 - [68]
 

Lyria is right.

kyrv
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:52:00 - [69]
 

Are not nannos supposed to be for acceleration and not for speed or is nanno'ing just a term used for overdrive nodes.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.04.24 11:54:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 24/04/2008 11:54:35
Originally by: kyrv
Are not nannos supposed to be for acceleration and not for speed or is nanno'ing just a term used for overdrive nodes.


Nano is mostly referred to close to fully speed mod'ed ships. Mostly referring to speed mod'ed hacs though.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:19:00 - [71]
 

Here are the most common nano whines:

Arrow1) My NPC Raven got killed by a nano gang. How do I beat them?
Response: You probably can't, but why were you still sitting in the belt when a hostile gang came into local? I made billions of ISK NPC hunting in hostile space, sometimes even in enemy hostile space. I never lost an NPC hunting ship to hostiles, EVER.

Arrow2) We were camping a gate with two Drakes and we got killed by a nano gang. How do we beat them?
Response: Don't engage entire gangs with two Drakes? Is the problem nano ships or that you were simply outnumbered?

Arrow3) Our fleet of 15 engaged 7 nano ships and we got pimp slapped and they all escaped. How do we beat them?
Response: A good mix of Recons, especially Minmatar, is the best way to fight Nano gangs.
Rebuttal: WE DON'T HAVE ANY HUGGIN/RAPIER PILOTS OR ARE STUBBORN AND ARE STILL GOING TO WHINE EVEN IF WE GET THE RIGHT ANSWER!
Response: Well then you suck, sorry. If you have 15 people you should force everyone to fly ships that will work as a cohesive unit, not whatever everyone wants to fly.
Rebuttal: WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND BE BETTER PILOTS? CCP SHOULD JUST FIX OUR PROBLEMS FOR US!
Response: ...

I'm sorry but as much as nano ships can be annoying to deal with, 99% of the whiners can't form a reasonable argument against them. It's the same thing we've seen since the beginning of Eve. People refuse to take the necessary steps to avoid their own peril/suffering if they think someone else will take the steps for them. If you get a large group of people together most of them will be:

1) Stupid
2) Whiney
3) Entitlement minded

It's like children. If you scream loud enough you'll never have to wipe yourself.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:25:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Squatdog
You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nano***? Awesome!



So what? There are a million tactics in Eve that require specific counter tactics. The only difference is that this one tactic, nano ships, is very popular. What you're really asking is, "why can't I fly whatever I want to and win all situations?" You just don't realize it.

Captain Sonata
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:38:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Squatdog


1. Bring a Rapier.
2. Bring a Huginn.


You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nano***? Awesome!


3. Bring a Curse.

They'll warp away once their cap gets low.

.....



True Story: Nano's are overpowered.

How about we remove MWD's from the game? Than those of us who don't fly at 7Km/s can say: Adapt or Die (or some other similar cliche) to all those who'll be crying that their Nanos are weak.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:41:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Squatdog
You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nano***? Awesome!



So what? There are a million tactics in Eve that require specific counter tactics. The only difference is that this one tactic, nano ships, is very popular. What you're really asking is, "why can't I fly whatever I want to and win all situations?" You just don't realize it.


Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).

Every other gang/ship you can counter by bringing various ships.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:46:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).


Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.

Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.

Phil Miller
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:51:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Phil Miller on 24/04/2008 13:55:27


Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).


Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.

Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.



Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself...

The Tzar
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:55:00 - [77]
 

A nerf is suggesting a change to the current game and therefore should be posted in idea's and discussion.

You have been warned LaughingYARRRR!!

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.04.24 13:58:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Nano is the only thing that needs to be countered with the same tactic/ship type. You want to kill a nano gang? You bring a bigger nano gang. (note: KILL, NOT chase off).


Wrong. There are more than a few ways to kill nano ships. Unfortunately people in Eve don't seem to have the wit to outsmart their enemy, they rely on being able to mouse click twice and F1-F8, if that doesn't work they get confused and ask for nerfs to be doled out.

Simply put, the best way to fight nano ships is good tactics. Most people in Eve do not employ good tactics. True story.


No there aren't many good ways of KILLING nano gangs. There are just alot of ways to CHASE them OFF.

Captain Sonata
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:02:00 - [79]
 

Just looked at the killboard, the Sex Panther's guy flies minmatar almost exclusively, vagabonds in particular, no wonder he's defending the whole nano thing so strongly.

Dheorl
Surge.
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:03:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Phil Miller
Nano need a nerf. A hard cap of 3km/s, while at the same increasing the effectives and range of webs.


So your saying medium drones should be able to hit a MWDing inty?

Haven't read through the whole topic but this just made me laugh.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:16:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Phil Miller
Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself...


Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?

What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.

Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.

Everyone Dies
Caldari
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:17:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Squatdog


1. Bring a Rapier.
2. Bring a Huginn.


You MUST bring one race's Recons to catch a nano***? Awesome!


3. Bring a Curse.

They'll warp away once their cap gets low.



4. Bring warrior IIs.

Drones won't catch them without at least two drone navs in mids

5. Overload webs.

Overloaded t2 Web has 13km range. FAIL



6. Bring missile spammers.

Nanos outrun precision missiles. FAIL


7. Bring ECM.

Won't kill the nanoboats unless you have tackler with web and an ECM boat sure as hell won't kill one by itself.

8. Bring tracking disruptors.


Won't help against drones or missiles.

9. Bring heavy tankers.

Won't help kill them.

10. Use remote reppers.

Won't help kill them.



You don't need of these ships to counter for example a megathron or raven.

Phil Miller
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:19:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Alowishus

Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?

What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.

Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.



So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:19:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Alowishus on 24/04/2008 14:24:35
Originally by: Captain Sonata
Just looked at the killboard, the Sex Panther's guy flies minmatar almost exclusively, vagabonds in particular, no wonder he's defending the whole nano thing so strongly.


Why don't lie/fail some more? I fly a Maelstrom, Sleipnir or Raven. I haven't flown a Vagabond in years.

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Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:20:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Phil Miller
So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf.


Where did I admit that? I actually said you could kill a nano ship solo. Reading comprehension and reading the entire post FTW. Thanks for proving you're an idiot, as suspected. Case closed.

Emily Evermore
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:25:00 - [86]
 

This guy seems to kill nanos just fine with a regular gank and tank ship. look at all the vagabonds he kills solo.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=753477

Garion Avarr
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:25:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Indyman tech2
THEN WARPED AWAY WITH NO LOSSES...thats so stupid. itsl ike the new wcs, no need to commit to a fight.

It's called hit and run. Guerilla Warfare. Read up on the historical uses of it. Then understand why the fact that it exists along with regular fleet combat makes Eve a richer game, both on a tactical and strategic level.

Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Navigators of the Abyss
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:32:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Megan Maynard on 24/04/2008 14:33:04
Edited by: Megan Maynard on 24/04/2008 14:32:10
Ok this topic is funny. Learn some orbital mechanics and some tricks. I didn't want to do this but I'm sorry, I feel the need to help dumb pilots.

First off, a ceptor going 7 k/s is VERY VERY specialized. It makes sense that a specialized ship is needed to kill it. Snipe it from far away, or get a web on it, or nail it with neuts, or get another ceptor/EAS ship. That isn't overpowered, that's what it is SUPPOSED to do.

Secondly, a pure nano ship costs more then a battleship with rigs alone. Thats right, poly carbs. You know what balances them? PRICE. Last time I checked they ran 58 mil a pop in Jita. The pilots that fly these ships are risking more isk then the pilots they kill most of the time. THEY SHOULD WIN.

Third, if you can't web, or neut, or snipe, or bring in a buddy; try using game mechanics. If you are in a missile boat, cruise missiles are BIG, BIG weapons don't hit small targets. Throw an assault launcher with precision lights on your massive ship and watch ceptors flee. If it's a vaga, and it breaks your tank, you need more skills. If you have a turret based ship: TRY TURNING. Some of you forget that if you turn WITH the nano pilot your guns have a much better chance of hitting. If the pilot is out of range going crazy fast, HIT THE BRAKES. Most of the time the orbit command will bring them into optimal range.

Also try to always fly straight away from your target, reduces tracking speed and such.

Target Painters also do wonders.

Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:33:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Phil Miller
Originally by: Alowishus

Why can't I use a similar ship? Why can't I have more than one person? What other unrealistic conditions would you like to set?

What you're asking for is a solo "win button" against a specific tactic. I'm sure we could come up with some sort of bait ship that could do this. But that's beside the point because when you set up to do one thing, hoping for a specific scenario with a specific target, you make yourself susceptible to dying in other ways. Which is stupid.

Say you set up a bait Raven in a belt intended to catch an annoying Vagabond pilot, what if he brings a friend? What if he comes in a BS that day? You're asking a pointless question because you're an idiot if all you want to do is solo kill singular nano ships.



So you admit, you can't kill a nano solo. Case closed and thank you very much for proving my point. Nano's need a nerf.


Huginn can kill a nano solo. Case closed.

Dheorl
Surge.
Posted - 2008.04.24 14:34:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Phil Miller
Lets hear your "tactic" that doesn't involve more than 1 person to catch 1 F AG, and you can't use a similar ship yourself...


Can I use a sentinel?


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