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Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2008.04.03 22:19:00 - [31]
 

Sokratesz: I agree, it'd be nice to get a little more information on what CCP were doing to fix things. But I prefer to be positive and think that the lack of information is a result of them working so hard to do it. My point really is that CCP can and should continue to add interesting content like Ambulation as well, because some of us, especially those who are interested in the world of EVE beyond the game side, like that kind of thing.

Vivitari
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.04.03 22:22:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Asestorian
Sokratesz: I agree, it'd be nice to get a little more information on what CCP were doing to fix things. But I prefer to be positive and think that the lack of information is a result of them working so hard to do it. My point really is that CCP can and should continue to add interesting content like Ambulation as well, because some of us, especially those who are interested in the world of EVE beyond the game side, like that kind of thing.


QFT

Crimzin
Amarr
Posted - 2008.04.03 22:41:00 - [33]
 

Hi,
Well if been playing about 2 weeks now, loving the game btwSurprised, i think its a nice idea plus it adds a whole new load of possibilitys hehe my imagination is going wild lol, but im reading from all you uber guys there is lots wrong with game at higher sp, certain ships.. speed balance etc. But from a newbs point of view sounds good to meRazz

Tristin Del'astakhos
Gallente
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2008.04.03 23:01:00 - [34]
 

Lag is one problem in game, you can't pile hundreds of programmers on one problem as everyone would be altering the same pieces of code at the same time and canceling out everyone else's work. From what I have read, this is an entirely separate team of programmers working on this. The idea that "walking in stations" stations is getting in the way of, or slowing down any other part of game design or bug fixing is ridiculous. This feature will attract a whole new audience to EVE which will bring CCP new money from new Subs, which will allow them to hire more Devs to work on more things. It's win win all around for everyone.

Lurana Lay
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.04 00:45:00 - [35]
 


Quote:
Turning eve into something that's not eve


Pfft, EVE is wtf-ever the Devs say/create.
Not your idea of EVE.
Bring on poker.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.04.04 08:02:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Tristin Del'astakhos
Lag is one problem in game, you can't pile hundreds of programmers on one problem as everyone would be altering the same pieces of code at the same time and canceling out everyone else's work. From what I have read, this is an entirely separate team of programmers working on this. The idea that "walking in stations" stations is getting in the way of, or slowing down any other part of game design or bug fixing is ridiculous. This feature will attract a whole new audience to EVE which will bring CCP new money from new Subs, which will allow them to hire more Devs to work on more things. It's win win all around for everyone.


I really hope you're right but i will remain sceptical untill i see results.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.04.04 09:00:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Morwagorion
Originally by: FuQue
I can't believe what I just read.

Linkage

I'm disgusted this is actually going to happen. Way to ruin a game and keep everyone walking around in stations, CCP.



I'm vey pleased this is actually going to happen Laughing

Poker Holdem is a very hard and skilled game, much more PvP in poker than in "market PvP".

CCP with the rake can drain ISKs from game in a very smart way, while the poker player enjoy the game.

if u dont like it, dont play, easy choice ?

u dislike it, others like it, usual stuff, not a drama








Poker on the internet and akill? lol
I am sure it does IRL, but on the net that goes out of the window.
There are a lot of card games out there that require real skill to play even on the net, but poker isn't one of them. It is mostly about luck, paired with a little statistics, practice, and a lot of psychology. And the latter part is largely missing from internet play, so...
And when nothing is at stake, games get ruined a lot by pricks.
Yeah, I really don't like poker much. I prefer tactical games over psycho/luck ones.

Rook Highwind
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:55:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Rook Highwind on 04/04/2008 14:57:53
Go is also being included as I recall.

Originally by: Vivitari
Edited by: Vivitari on 03/04/2008 21:51:18
Firstly, to whoever said CCP have better things to do than ambulation, remember its an entirely seperate team doing it.

Secondly, I see no difference than what players are already doing other than there being physical cards.

Plus, Chribba run card tourney anyone?

Glad somebody else remembered that one, people seem not to believe me whenever I bring it up Rolling Eyes

And for reference, we have a megathread here for all things Ambulation.

Red Desire
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.04.04 15:38:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Red Desire on 04/04/2008 15:38:40
Oh no, anotherteam.. yes I see your point there.
It's not about teams slow ones, it's about resources as any project Ambulation eats resources and lots of them, simpler for the ones with extremely thick skulls, it's money; you can assign the money to :
- buy new hardware,software
- hire brilliant people who will find,fix Eve numerous problems

but no, the money will go to avatars, pokers and other silly things which in reality wont increase the game depth , it actually makes it a lot more shallow.
Also keep in mind the point someone made, Eve is about shooting stuff in space, not about cyboring in stations. This stuff will bite back in CCP ass, one way or another.

We all see what CCP tries to make, a hybrid half RPG half simulation.. but there is a problem with hybrids .. they always sux compared to specialized things.

I would like to see more human controlled fighters with real control and not click a point in space or something interesting not avatars walking on stations, if I wanted avatars I would play other MMORPG.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.04 15:43:00 - [40]
 

Look at it this way: People sticking to stations playing poker probably means less lag in space. Laughing

Anvalor
Gallente
Germania Inc.
D0GMA
Posted - 2008.04.04 15:51:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Asestorian
Ambulation would be made anyway because they're using it in part for WoD iirc. Also, I do want a few things in EVE beyond the core gameplay. Something to pass the time when I don't feel like shooting at things, be it players or NPCs. I'm not the only one either.

And anyway. It doesn't affect you. You don't have to use it. The devs would be doing it anyway. So what's the problem?


Every line of code wasted on ambulation is one less optimisation made to Eve's core game play. Want something different? Hit ctrl-Q go outside the house play solitaire if it comforts you. Not everything does nor ever should revolve around eve.


That works also the other direction. Do not want something different ? Hit ctrl-Q go outside the house play something else if it comforts you.

To the OP, when i am bored i do not undock sometimes and chat while in station or read forum. With ambulation i can also play poker now and do other stuff. Could be that it keeps me docked a bit more than without this stuff. But it could also be that
i stay docked and play poker instead of logging out and play something else.

Some people just get ill when they do not have something to whine about on the forums. Laughing

Perplexity
Posted - 2008.04.04 15:54:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Tristin Del'astakhos
Lag is one problem in game, you can't pile hundreds of programmers on one problem as everyone would be altering the same pieces of code at the same time and canceling out everyone else's work. From what I have read, this is an entirely separate team of programmers working on this. The idea that "walking in stations" stations is getting in the way of, or slowing down any other part of game design or bug fixing is ridiculous. This feature will attract a whole new audience to EVE which will bring CCP new money from new Subs, which will allow them to hire more Devs to work on more things. It's win win all around for everyone.


I really hope you're right but i will remain sceptical untill i see results.



As do I, but the trend does not point to that. more and more subs and slower and slower it gets.

Roxanna Kell
Anormalii S.A.
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:03:00 - [43]
 

Poker would be great, they can implement that on your left side menu tbh. no need to wait for ambulation.
There is way too many rich people in eve with nothing to spend that money on, and i want to win it from them : 0

Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:05:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar

Poker on the internet and akill? lol
I am sure it does IRL, but on the net that goes out of the window.
There are a lot of card games out there that require real skill to play even on the net, but poker isn't one of them. It is mostly about luck, paired with a little statistics, practice, and a lot of psychology. And the latter part is largely missing from internet play, so...
And when nothing is at stake, games get ruined a lot by pricks.
Yeah, I really don't like poker much. I prefer tactical games over psycho/luck ones.


Lost alot of money at the tables did you? Very HappyVery Happy

I suggest you stop being ignorant btw... mind you, it's only a suggestion.

And CCP didn't say they would add poker and nothing else. They say that they will add various props and people can in their own bars create games using their own rules. So you are free to make your own establishment with whatever card games you like and if they are worth playing you will have costumers in your bar...


CCP Eris Discordia

Posted - 2008.04.04 16:18:00 - [45]
 

People in Jita who get bored and drop a millions of cans ( or do something else that causes load and lag) can now play poker in Ambulation and not lag the rest of Jita.

Other people in the team know that Jita has replaced Yulai, but what that has to do with your ability to perform your job with regards to Ambulation Iīm not sure of. More so if you have other people in your team who can correct such misconceptions if they actually matter directly.

This is the guy who pretty much started roleplaying as one of the first few CCPers and I think he will pretty much know what fits EVE and what will not since he was part of EVEīs creation. And again, we have an entire team of people and several old old OOOOLD (in case they are reading this Razz) CCPers who have been with us from the start making sure Ambulation will fit the original spirit of EVE.

So there is a good mix of young, fresh, hip and trendy designers working together with veterans of EVE.

And last, we are looking into making more mini games but we donīt want to say which. HA Razz

Thank you to all forum users who are willing to adjust misconceptions about Ambulation as well Very Happy Itīs really nice to see that many incorrect assumptions are already answered before I can jump in.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:22:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Originally by: Leandro Salazar

Poker on the internet and akill? lol
I am sure it does IRL, but on the net that goes out of the window.
There are a lot of card games out there that require real skill to play even on the net, but poker isn't one of them. It is mostly about luck, paired with a little statistics, practice, and a lot of psychology. And the latter part is largely missing from internet play, so...
And when nothing is at stake, games get ruined a lot by pricks.
Yeah, I really don't like poker much. I prefer tactical games over psycho/luck ones.


Lost alot of money at the tables did you? Very HappyVery Happy

I suggest you stop being ignorant btw... mind you, it's only a suggestion.

And CCP didn't say they would add poker and nothing else. They say that they will add various props and people can in their own bars create games using their own rules. So you are free to make your own establishment with whatever card games you like and if they are worth playing you will have costumers in your bar...



Not that I would ever play cards for money, but even if I did, poker would be way too boring for me to lose something there. The few times I have played it under group pressure, I used to break even.
I just prefer games that reward thought and tactics rather than thespian skills and blind luck.
And it is probably YOU who is ingorant of such beautiful games like Skat or Doppelkopf, which are much more challenging to the mind than poker.
Then again, that lack of challenge prolly explains the popularity of poker... Razz

But if they actually add some sort of game creation thingy, that would be damn neat.

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:48:00 - [47]
 

i would find it very interesting if one of the mini-games is an in-game collectible card game. perhaps not like Pokemon or Magic the Gathering... but maybe something like that one they had in Starwars Knights of the Old Republic. It was all number based and special cards you could find had different numeric values than the default deck.

ofc if EVE already has a RL CCG, then why not just use the same cards in the mini-game?

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:50:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/04/2008 16:50:18
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Not that I would ever play cards for money, but even if I did, poker would be way too boring for me to lose something there. The few times I have played it under group pressure, I used to break even.
I just prefer games that reward thought and tactics rather than thespian skills and blind luck.
And it is probably YOU who is ingorant of such beautiful games like Skat or Doppelkopf, which are much more challenging to the mind than poker.
Then again, that lack of challenge prolly explains the popularity of poker... Razz

But if they actually add some sort of game creation thingy, that would be damn neat.


While there is luck involved in cards, and in virtually every type of game, to say that there is no skill involved in poker is ridiculous. While a few hours of playing won't show it, watching it in the long-term it becomes obvious.

To the beginner, Poker is just about what you have in your hand, the luck of the draw, and then what to do. But as you play it more, you realize that the game isn't about your cards, nor is it really about you. It is about other players bets, and figuring out what the other people have.

Poker is just as much a psychological game, as it is a card game.

But if you want a different game, I'm happy to set up Eve-based games of Diplomacy for ISK.

Bane Glorious
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:14:00 - [49]
 

humbly requesting three card monte and texas hold 'em

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:17:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/04/2008 17:16:48
Quote:
There is way too many rich people in eve with nothing to spend that money on, and i want to win it from them : 0

Razz

I think that this is a great idea. It adds a whole new aspect to PVP (well, actually, it just formalises and brings to the masses one that's already happening), and it offers a new route to make (and lose!) vast sums of ISKies outside traditional combat.

B1FF
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:21:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: B1FF on 04/04/2008 17:21:16
This is stupid. Why do we have to stop playing EvE to play Poker? Why can't we play poker while we mine, or travel, or gate camp, or explore, or anything?

If you're going to spend time and resources on poker then let us play anywhere!

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:28:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
While there is luck involved in cards, and in virtually every type of game, to say that there is no skill involved in poker is ridiculous. While a few hours of playing won't show it, watching it in the long-term it becomes obvious.

To the beginner, Poker is just about what you have in your hand, the luck of the draw, and then what to do. But as you play it more, you realize that the game isn't about your cards, nor is it really about you. It is about other players bets, and figuring out what the other people have.

Poker is just as much a psychological game, as it is a card game.

But if you want a different game, I'm happy to set up Eve-based games of Diplomacy for ISK.


What you describe is RL poker. Which I fully acknowledge being much more than just a game of chance and statistics, even if it is still not my cup of tea.

What I am dissing is general online poker, with ever changing players, frequent pricks messing up serious games, and no face-to-face dealings which negates a lot of the psychology part. I am sure you can play 'good' online poker too if you have a core group and a nice hideout. But not in a public lounge.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:37:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Leandro Salazar

What you describe is RL poker. Which I fully acknowledge being much more than just a game of chance and statistics, even if it is still not my cup of tea.

What I am dissing is general online poker, with ever changing players, frequent pricks messing up serious games, and no face-to-face dealings which negates a lot of the psychology part. I am sure you can play 'good' online poker too if you have a core group and a nice hideout. But not in a public lounge.


That is true. Online Poker is really a whole different beat, and heavily dependent on if you're playing for real money or not. Eve however, is somewhere in the middle. I'm hoping that people will play seriously with their ISK, which I think is likely to happen.

Bluffing is much easier without the face to face interaction. But after you play with people for a long enough time (groups will evolve based at stations, you'll have a similar crowd at Jita IV-IV of course, etc), you will begin to notice play styles. And in some cases, betting habits are enough.

I also didn't read the article, and I'm not sure if it specified which forms of poker.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:55:00 - [54]
 

Can we have a betting exchange for isk & items, please? Something like what www.betfair.com offers would be ideal.

MS Stanis
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:05:00 - [55]
 

I wouldn't mind poker, its quite better than ship spinning. 100 isk here or there dosent matter, its fun.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:15:00 - [56]
 

Please play nice. ~Saint

Vinchester
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Asestorian

What the poker? That thing that a bunch of people already do in their private channels losing billions of ISK to each other? What's wrong with bringing that to the masses? What's wrong with adding in an element to the game that's beyond just shooting crap? I like Ambulation because it adds something to the game for those who want to be immersed more.


If people want to do that in their own time with their own means - fine. But CCP has more important **** to take care of than something totally superfluous like ambulation or ingame poker. fix the bloody game already.


oh shut up you ****. poker is great. thanks CCP! we've been asking for it for so long.

LifeLines
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:32:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Bane Glorious
humbly requesting three card monte and texas hold 'em


bold'd the important part.

Overwhelmed
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:52:00 - [59]
 

I'm glad CCP is opting for more tried and true card games than trying to introduce their own horrible game Squaresoft-style. Give us some sexy space-cards and it should be enough. I hope there are other things to do though as I find online poker quite boring.

B1FF
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:53:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon

I thought you were going to quit allready?



Link please.


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