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Phroneo
Caldari
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2008.03.30 11:30:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: flakeys
Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59
So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Rolling Eyes



Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.

Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke.

Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.03.30 11:34:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Phroneo
Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.


What if I RP'd my trash talk about a dead relative?

Phroneo
Caldari
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2008.03.30 12:41:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Originally by: Phroneo
Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.


What if I RP'd my trash talk about a dead relative?


Try it on me and see what happens. Uncle, grandma, grandpa... I won't take it personally but you must report yourself :)

(I am assuming RP means report ugh)

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2008.03.30 12:59:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Phroneo
Originally by: flakeys
Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59
So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Rolling Eyes



Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.

Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke.


Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it".

End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ****ing reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist?

The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game.

dragon mouth
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:11:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: dragon mouth on 30/03/2008 13:11:35
CCP keep locking these threads without any form of answer to the concerns to the players who dont care about goons actions only the overtones and the reference to the real life situation.

This is what the players are asking for is a little CLARIFICATION from CCP about the overtones nothing else.

I for one find their apparent skipping over the real life issue being brought into game and bad PR and should be addressed forthwith in some form of statement either way at least then maybe these threads would stop and goons would basking in the animinimty of there actions.

Rant mode off.

Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:14:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston

Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist?


Would you throw the same hissy fit over a TV network airing Ford commercials after your father/mother was hit by a car of that brand?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:17:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Phroneo
Originally by: flakeys
Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59
So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Rolling Eyes



Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.

Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke.


Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it".

End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ****ing reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist?

The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game.


By your logic then, CCP should also ban any use of:

War
Gun
Bomb
Missile
Kill
Destroy
Conquer
Struggle (which is what "Jihad" means)
Invade
Defeat
Victory
Invade

Phroneo
Caldari
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:18:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Phroneo on 30/03/2008 13:25:44
Edited by: Phroneo on 30/03/2008 13:24:29
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Originally by: Phroneo
Originally by: flakeys
Edited by: flakeys on 30/03/2008 11:18:59
So if any of your relatives die , i can make fun of it ingame as long as i don't make jokes about it on the forum? Rolling Eyes



Goons are not glorifying the deaths of any Iraqi civilians or US troops. They are just mocking the crazy people committing these terrible acts and the ideas behind them. I am pretty sure that CCP would intervene if someone started spamming local with trash talk abusing someone's family and wishing torture and death upon them.

Most people should see some merit in mocking the whole Jihad ideas and members but probably not so in mocking 9/11 victims forced to jump due to fire or smoke.


Thats a clever but flawed way to justify your answer.. "they`re mocking it".

End of the day, there is no place in this forum for that word or ingame and anyone who thinks its harmless needs a ****ing reality check including all those in this thread. Put it this way, would you feel the same way if your father/mother etc was killed by a jihadi terrorist?

The easy answer is most likely not. CCP are a fcking disgrace for allowing this and I wont be resubscribing in 2 days time if this is the sort of crap theyre allowing in theyre game.


It's hard to be certain but I am a person who likes that kind of humor. I think that if my parents were killed by such people, I would like anything that mocks or insults the ones still alive. At the very least, I would try to see that these people are really mocking the terrorists.

I assume no-one you know was killed by such a person so I greatly respect an opinion that does not rely on the problem having a personal effect.

PS
This reminds me of a group of Australian comedians called the Chaser. They did a song which mocked a lot of respected celebrities or famous people who had died. The chorus went something like: "..even bastrads become good blokes after death". You can look up the Eulogy song lyrics on google I assume.

Anyway, most people were outraged that these people were mocking dead people when in fact, they were mocking the media and how it always criticizes and sensationalizes bad things about people when they are alive (sometimes genuinely making them seem like bad people), but turns them into absolute saints and only talks about good things once they die.

It's a similar case here where I think it's not right to get upset just because of our initial reaction when a deeper look may reveal a different perspective.

Of course, I could be wrong and Goons could just be trying to **** people off and get attention in which case, they really would be lame and pathetic human beings who live off others' pain. Still however, CCP could do nothing as many pirates in EVE have the same diet...

PSS
This whole thing about Jihad=Struggle is rubbish. Language evolves... or can I still openly wish that somebody's sons turn out to be and live very gay lives with their family? Laughing CCP blocks a word equivalent to happy now?

Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.30 13:50:00 - [69]
 

According to Wrangler, neither the Jihad themes, Kharttoon's name, nor references to Allah have anything to do with Islam. In my opinion, CCP's representatives are lacking sensitivity on a highly sensitive issue, to the extent that one might say Wrangler (the supposed community manager) in particular has risen to the level of his incompetence. The whole thing is in terribly poor taste and I have to try not to be offended as it is "just a game". You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right.

Phroneo
Caldari
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:13:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Inconstant Moon
You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right.


A bit off topic.. but that depends... I played the 'game' where you control the two Columbine shooters. It is an RPG. Anyway, despite all the outrage, upon reading further it really seemed like it was a genuine artistic expression. I decided to play it and though it got a tad boring killing everyone in the school (though it wasn't required), the game had a profound effect on me and my perspective on the shooters and massacre. It was definitely a great work of art.

So.. perhaps this 9/11 game could be similar in somehow giving an insight into the horror and difficult decisions of those in the tower...

Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:18:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: 000Hunter000
Now, i couldn't care less if goonies blow up another hulk or not, but what i am rather disturbed about is the fact there using religous terms to do so.

Tbh i think ccp should ban the lot if they keep up their appearance of a holy war, esp in current times.

Now i'm from the Netherlands myself and i can't really smile about some ****weed screaming 'Allahu Akbar' in local esp due to current events which i will not go into any further here (cuz ccp will block my ass if i do)

cmon ccp, ur locking threads in the 'out of topic' section of the forums, why not block some people *cough* goonies *cough* who use this term ingame as well?


Wouldn't have expected this from a Dutch man... actually you know what that tripe above doesn't deserve a responce as whatever your opinion is, is based on rl events.


I find what goons are doing great, and I find it absolutely hilarious that they shout Allah Akbar in local before proceeding, so do many other poeple with a sense of humour.

You however don't have a sense of humour and want us to bring real life into the game and be all serious about it.

*cough* sad *cough*

Lars Lodar
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:20:00 - [72]
 

Quick! Someone post this egregious outrage on FOX NEWS!

This is a game. Should I feel outraged every time I kill an Iraqi/American/Brittan in Battlefield 2 since each group is involved in a current conflict?

Lighten up man.


Wingnut sensitivity confounds me...

Wkumi
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:21:00 - [73]
 

I can actually understand where this is kinda coming from, when i first read the original post i thought bah what a load of rubbish, but what if Jiihadswarm was re-named "the final solution" in the extermination of Miners?? would that be acceptable??

tricky one i think!

Myros Glimmbrand
Ganja Co
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:29:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Atreides Horza


Originally by: El'Niaga
Actually if you look at various literature etc, conservatives (the so called right wingers) are far more tolerant of other viewpoints than liberals (the so called left wingers).


Pamphlets from the NRA and Fine Young Americans Association isn't literature, in case you didn't know... and if I wanted an answer as to who's tolerant and who's not, I wouldn't be looking for it in literature - contemporary or otherwize. My argument was that it's absurd moaning about free speech in an attempt to silence others. I think it still stands.

Guess what... Giving money to charities in countries that your government has messed up thoroughly isn't charity either.

That's all kosher with me. Would you mind if we remove all corps with names, rules, badges, bios, etc. referring to real life american military units engaged in fighting all across the middle-east? I'm sure we could whip up a score or more afghans or iraqis who feel threatened by slogans such as 'Death from Above' and all that jazz. Oh wait, maybe they're too busy surviving the 'charity work' of foreign nations in their respective countries. Rolling Eyes

As for the OP, he's got his own agenda. You've got yours. I've got mine. Why not just leave them at the door and play our game without all the fears, prejudices and half-arsed rethorics that are currently making such a mess of the world we live in?





Wisdom AND common sense in a single post???!!! Isnt that a sign of the 'end days' or something? ;p

Myros

sdthujfg
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:38:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Inconstant Moon
According to Wrangler, neither the Jihad themes, Kharttoon's name, nor references to Allah have anything to do with Islam. In my opinion, CCP's representatives are lacking sensitivity on a highly sensitive issue, to the extent that one might say Wrangler (the supposed community manager) in particular has risen to the level of his incompetence. The whole thing is in terribly poor taste and I have to try not to be offended as it is "just a game". You know, I'd quite like to see the reactions to anyone making a 9/11 game where you score points for people falling out the windows. This stuff is just not right.


But there are games about other wars were you can (if you like) kill civilians while playing a soldier in the american army. No one is whining about that, why do you think 9/11 victims are more valuable then other victims of war? THAT is exactly the problem today. Value of life depends on where youre from in many peoples heads. Its sad that they cant even see that they are doing that.

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:52:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Wkumi
I can actually understand where this is kinda coming from, when i first read the original post i thought bah what a load of rubbish, but what if Jiihadswarm was re-named "the final solution" in the extermination of Miners?? would that be acceptable??

tricky one i think!


Absolutely. I don't care if you create a corp that specifically states that your beliefs are that all caldari achura must be relocated to minmatarrian death camps and eliminated because they control the eve economy. Rolling Eyes, then proceed to find and pod all characters of caldari achura origin until they set their clones to minmatar space, thus effectively relocating them.

So what?

Thorradin
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.03.30 14:55:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Thorradin on 30/03/2008 14:56:14

Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.30 15:11:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: sdthujfg
But there are games about other wars were you can (if you like) kill civilians while playing a soldier in the american army. No one is whining about that, why do you think 9/11 victims are more valuable then other victims of war? THAT is exactly the problem today. Value of life depends on where youre from in many peoples heads. Its sad that they cant even see that they are doing that.


Of course. But this issue demonstrates a lack of sensitivity not only towards the victims of the present-day jihadists, but also towards the majority of Muslims who want nothing to do with extremism but are suffering its consequences. CCP's continuing failure to comprehend the seriousness of this is very poor form in my opinion.

sdthujfg
Posted - 2008.03.30 15:15:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: sdthujfg on 30/03/2008 15:19:10
Originally by: Inconstant Moon

Of course. But this issue demonstrates a lack of sensitivity not only towards the victims of the present-day jihadists, but also towards the majority of Muslims who want nothing to do with extremism but are suffering its consequences.


They suffer because of people like the OP and movies that his countries politicians are using as propaganda. That disturbs me.

Vladameir Harkenin
Posted - 2008.03.30 15:18:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Allah is a fictional entity, just like the God Emperor you mentioned, just like Jesus Christ, Buddah, etc.


Dune is not fiction

THE SPICE WILL FLOW


I concur, the spice must flow!

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2008.03.30 15:51:00 - [81]
 

Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam.



sdthujfg
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:08:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam.





And ship names like crusader have something to do with the christians and their crusade. Either you get rid of both or you grow up and stfu.

Vinchester
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:09:00 - [83]
 

you guys take games wayyyyy to seriously Laughing

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:11:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: welshman
if we use the word crusade them the pc lot would be down on people like a ton


I don't recall anyone complaining about this.

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:25:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: sdthujfg
Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam.





And ship names like crusader have something to do with the christians and their crusade. Either you get rid of both or you grow up and stfu.


Not constructive - Navigator

I cant remember the last time i turned i seen media in any form where people got upset by using the term crusader, infact, the only idiots who get annoyed with that term is extremist Muslims not the ordinary peep in the street.

I swear ill be glad my sub runs out in 2 days to get away from ****heads like yourself.


Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:30:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
Grow up and have some sensitivity, there is no need for that rubbish in this game and if you cant see that your thick as pig shiit, including Wrangler if indeed he thinks Jihid has nothing to do with Islam.


Here's the link to his thread-locking proclamation, to save anyone hunting for it:

Thus spoke Wrangler, Community Mangler

By the way, he's sensitive about one thing. That is, criticism. Posts about his incompetence tend to be moderated.

Cleric JohnPreston
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:37:00 - [87]
 

"...trying to provoke..."

lol and that`s allowed.

Bezerkius
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:40:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Billy Sastard
I call bullsh*t...

This is an imaginary spaceship universe, its just some stupid terminology they are using anyway.

If we want to go there however, I think CCP should completely revamp the Amarr backstory as there are too many resemblances to RL religious sects...

This is a rediculous topic.


Haha..you think Jesus was a fictional character?

I could understand if you didn't want to believe he was divine, but to suggest he never existed shows quite a bit of ignorance.

Stop posting, go study some history, come back and try again.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:42:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
"...trying to provoke..."

lol and that`s allowed.

Well, you just resorted to name-calling with your last post. Way to take the high ground. But you're gone in two days, so who really cares.

Percible
Posted - 2008.03.30 16:46:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Lars Lodar
Quick! Someone post this egregious outrage on FOX NEWS!

This is a game. Should I feel outraged every time I kill an Iraqi/American/Brittan in Battlefield 2 since each group is involved in a current conflict?

Lighten up man.


Wingnut sensitivity confounds me...


I think you mean Lefty Moonbats, not Wingnuts, cause right wingers usually don't give a flying crap about bull****e political correctness crap.

Typically the lefty nutjobs cry and whine about such mundane and trivial things.


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