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Frosty9
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:29:00 - [1]
 

Gallente have the best pvp ships in the game(exception is recon). They have the highest DPS of short range weapons and great dps and optimal on long range. I have no problems with high dps guns but you give them drones too. I dont understand why you would give a race the two highest dps options. And not only are they leet at pvp (solo,gang,fleet) but their pve capabilities are awsome. I used to run lvl4 missions in a raven but my Domi runs missions 10x faster. So please, nerf gallnete or give every race drones. Flame onTwisted Evil

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:31:00 - [2]
 

ShockedRolling Eyes

Sergo Mor'Zert
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:31:00 - [3]
 

Are you jojo alt? Becouse this topic is at same quality level...

Laharissa
Perkone
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:32:00 - [4]
 

so train gallente, you noob and STFU

Annowyn
Ammatar.
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:35:00 - [5]
 

I gave the sarcasm a 4/10.

Captain Sonata
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:38:00 - [6]
 

I just switched to gallente as well - a nano ship with 500+ dps, while staying completely out of harms way... sign me up.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Sergo Mor'Zert
Are you jojo alt? Becouse this topic is at same quality level...


cant be, not enough amarr whine

Vymorna Grom
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
I just switched to gallente as well - a nano ship with 500+ dps, while staying completely out of harms way... sign me up.


You mean the Domi?

Captain Sonata
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:50:00 - [9]
 

Ishtar :)

Laharissa
Perkone
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:51:00 - [10]
 

more like vagolusion :D or something, stop whinning

nerf whinners !

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:52:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Sergo Mor'Zert
Are you jojo alt? Becouse this topic is at same quality level...


cant be, not enough amarr whine


on top of that, jojo used stupid reasons why amarr was broken (in his eyes), the guy here hasnt submitted even 1 (valid) argument why gallente should be nerfed.


Frosty9
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:53:00 - [12]
 

ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best crusier:Thorax
Best BC: Myrm
Best BS: Mega/domi
Best HAC: Ishtar
Best carrier: Nyx
and by best I mean the ship you would want to bring to a fight.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:53:00 - [13]
 

I think my flamebait-meter exploded. Laughing

William Darkk
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
Ishtar :)


Well, in PVP you're going to suck against anyone who fitted a smartbomb.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:56:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: William Darkk
Originally by: Captain Sonata
Ishtar :)


Well, in PVP you're going to suck against anyone who fitted a smartbomb.


Wich only tempests fit...

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:57:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: arbalesttom on 24/03/2008 19:57:47
Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best crusier:Thorax
Best BC: Myrm
Best BS: Mega/domi
Best HAC: Ishtar
Best carrier: Nyx
and by best I mean the ship you would want to bring to a fight.


No, these are the ships you THINK are the best, so if you think they are the best, train up for them and find out you might got overexcited a bit?

In short, stop whining and switch skills to gallente related skills (rails/blasters/drones/armor/shield(extenders))

Zemeckis R
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:16:00 - [17]
 

this is clearly a noob's topic

Sean Faust
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
Waterboard
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:16:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Sean Faust on 24/03/2008 20:17:38
Weakness 1: To be able to deal our uber DPS, we have to be so close that our ships are making babies with yours. Anyone who can deal significant DPS from outside of webrange and has decent speed (just about ANY Amarr or Minmatar ship) will own blaster boats 1v1 just because of sheer kiting ability.

Weakness 2: Our tanks are mediocre compared to equivalent Amarr and Caldari vessels, and since we've got relatively slow ships compared to other races, we HAVE to be able to rip into you with insane DPS because we sure aren't outlasting anything or kiting it either.

Weakness 3: Like the Amarr, everything we do revolves around cap use. Firing our guns, running our tanks, moving with MWD, running our hardeners, EVERYTHING.
You=Your Cap, so anything that kills your cap kills you.

I'm currently cross training to Amarr because I think the Harb/Absolution/Zealot are superior to their Gallente counterparts in certain situations because of their ability to deal significant DPS from outside of web range while moving at speed, and even if it turns out not to be as useful as I thought it would be, it still sure as hell seems fun.

Firkragg
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:30:00 - [19]
 

No in fact you are wrong. Amarr are the most overpowered race

Best crusier:arbitrator

fit with neuts and its like a little ewar drone machine with a nice slot layout and its really easy to fit. They should probs nerf its drones AND neuts just to be safe

Best BC: Harbinger

Tough, high dps monster. Instant damage and nice range means it can just kite most opposition. I once saw a vid were it killed an astarte so its obviously well overpowered.

Best BS: Armageddon

Does nearly the dps of a tier two BS and only costs as much as a tier 1 BS. Obviously needs a nerf. They should probs take 3 turrets off it and change its ROF bonus to a mining bonus just in case

Best HAC: Sacrilege

Good nano, good tank (even when nano'd). It also has a drone bay and everyone knows drones are overpowered. i once saw one kill a harbinger while tanking sentrys. Since we all know that harbingers are overpowered then to be able to kill it while tanking sentrys is obviously waaaayyyy overpowered.

Best carrier: Archon

With its resist bonus coupled with its nice cap and its good slot layout this ship is unkillable. I cant imagine a gang big enough to break its tank unless all the hostiles came in armageddons (which as mentioned are overpowered and need nerfing).

Vymorna Grom
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:31:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best crusier:Thorax
Best BC: Myrm
Best BS: Mega/domi
Best HAC: Ishtar
Best carrier: Nyx
and by best I mean the ship you would want to bring to a fight.


Could certainly look more like this:

Best crusier: Rupture
Best BC: Hurricane
Best BS: Mega/domi OK, you could easily put the Rokh in there. I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to bring a Typhoon to a fight, either.
Best HAC: Ishtar - Sure, why not. Hope your drones hold out, though.
Best carrier: Nyx - OK why not.

Financial Times
Posted - 2008.03.24 21:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Vymorna Grom
Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best crusier:Thorax
Best BC: Myrm
Best BS: Mega/domi
Best HAC: Ishtar
Best carrier: Nyx
and by best I mean the ship you would want to bring to a fight.


Could certainly look more like this:

Best crusier: Rupture
Best BC: Hurricane
Best BS: Mega/domi OK, you could easily put the Rokh in there. I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to bring a Typhoon to a fight, either.
Best HAC: Ishtar - Sure, why not. Hope your drones hold out, though.
Best carrier: Nyx - OK why not.



and just as easily

frig-kestrel
cruiser-rupture
bc-yarricane
bs-domi
dread-rev
carrier-archon
mom-nyx
hac-vaga
recon-hugginn
hactor-broadsword
logistics-scimitar
dictor-sabre
command-astarte
fleet command-damnation
blackops-widow
marauder-paladin
freighter-charon
jumpfreighter-nomad
transport-prorator/impel
ceptor-crow
dessy-thrasher
af-jaguar

This totally objective (well, as objective as that as the op, lol) comes out at
10 minmatar
4 caldari
5 amarr
3 gallente.

Perhaps?

Vymorna Grom
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.24 21:47:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Financial Times
Originally by: Vymorna Grom
Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best crusier:Thorax
Best BC: Myrm
Best BS: Mega/domi
Best HAC: Ishtar
Best carrier: Nyx
and by best I mean the ship you would want to bring to a fight.


Could certainly look more like this:

Best crusier: Rupture
Best BC: Hurricane
Best BS: Mega/domi OK, you could easily put the Rokh in there. I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to bring a Typhoon to a fight, either.
Best HAC: Ishtar - Sure, why not. Hope your drones hold out, though.
Best carrier: Nyx - OK why not.



and just as easily

frig-kestrel
cruiser-rupture
bc-yarricane
bs-domi
dread-rev
carrier-archon
mom-nyx
hac-vaga
recon-hugginn
hactor-broadsword
logistics-scimitar
dictor-sabre
command-astarte
fleet command-damnation
blackops-widow
marauder-paladin
freighter-charon
jumpfreighter-nomad
transport-prorator/impel
ceptor-crow
dessy-thrasher
af-jaguar

This totally objective (well, as objective as that as the op, lol) comes out at
10 minmatar
4 caldari
5 amarr
3 gallente.

Perhaps?



You're close enough on best HAC = Vaga. It's certainly a strong candidate.

Re the best BC . . . tbh it's basically a triple-threat: Myrm-'Cane-Drake. It's a dead heat. If you want to set the Myrm as the standard, then we need to acknowledge that a skilled 'cane pilot can make short work of the Myrm. And I've seen/heard of some Drakes do truly amazing things tank-wise.

Best BS. Domi? Sure. It's tried and true. But for PvE, most of the experienced members in my corp swear by the 'phoon. They call it 'The Moneymaker." Can shine in nearly every situation.

No doubt, Gallente have an impressive roster of ships to field. But some are a bit less impressive than others. Who else needs a nerf? No one, really. I can bemoan the Hurricane-nerf, but if that didn't happen it would simply be too powerful.

Who needs a boost? Amarr got a bit, fair enough. Minmatar could use just a little bit here and there, but I certainly don't hear any complaints from my coprmates. In fact, I know if CCP does anything to change the Typhoon there will be quite a few players who'll be pretty ****sed.

Eventually, with enough SP to even things out between two skilled players, it will come down to pilot vs. pilot, not necessarily ship vs. ship.

Minie Driver
Posted - 2008.03.24 22:34:00 - [23]
 

Dear CCP.

Please dont forget to nerf me while you are at it. I am too awesome omg and definetly need nerfing or I quit and cancel ALL my accounts!!!!

Vanessa Vale
Posted - 2008.03.24 23:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vymorna Grom

You're close enough on best HAC = Vaga. It's certainly a strong candidate.


Vaga best? Hardly. All the other hacs don't need to get anywhere close to web or neut range to do damage. The deimos actually wants to get into web range. And for the luxury of living in or near death range you get less than a half dps due to heavy falloff and at the same time not being able to hit as you mwd.

And not only you'll get worse hits by having to stay away further out, also you will get tracked easier. Thanks to the lovely overheat we get less reaction time to mwd away out of other nano webs, we get 20% less of dps due to having to be further out. Yes, that's 20%. And the moment you get webbed by an inty you're dead.

So where is the "best" part?




roby123
Posted - 2008.03.25 00:02:00 - [25]
 

ok just everybody grab a ship go to planet and see who is last standing, heck im galent and cross trained to caldri, i wish we had a missle boat bs for gallente, so lets go and see who is best

Hallowed ground
Posted - 2008.03.25 00:12:00 - [26]
 

My HAM drake detroyed 6-7 mil worth of t2 heavies in 2 minutes vs a Nano Ishtar. I couldnt kill the ishtar cause he dictated distance but I won cause his isk loss in ammo was far greater. If I had a tackle he would have been dead. Point is Minmater Caldari and Amarr all have their fine points. Torp change made raven an in yo face beast, Minnie with fall off bonus and speed been able to dictate range and therefore can hit and run in packs. Caldari have by far the best ecm atm. Along with continued buffs to amarr I see coming in the future I see amarr becoming superior at sniping. All in all I give your post a 10/10 for inaccurate whining.

Mo Steel
Caldari
Sanguis vix Dignatio
Posted - 2008.03.25 00:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best BS: Mega/domi


LOL

Quote:
Best HAC: Ishtar


LOL

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.25 00:18:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Financial Times

frig-kestrel ----- Rifter/Punisher
cruiser-rupture ------ Thorax/Blackbird
bc-yarricane ------ Drake (srsly)
bs-domi ------- Apoc? wtf.
dread-rev ---------- Rev
carrier-archon ----------- Archon
mom-nyx ----------- Nyx
hac-vaga ----------- Sacrilege
recon-hugginn ---------- Falcon/Huginn
hactor-broadsword ----------- Onyx
logistics-scimitar ----------- Guardian
dictor-sabre ----------- Sabre
command-astarte ------------ Astarte
fleet command-damnation ------------ Damnation (fleet) / Claymore (skirmish)
blackops-widow ---------- Widow
marauder-paladin --------- Paladin
freighter-charon --------- Providence... pure sexy
jumpfreighter-nomad --------- Ark, see above
transport-prorator/impel --------- Prorator
ceptor-crow ----------- Crow
dessy-thrasher ----------- Thrasher
af-jaguar ----------- Jag
stealth bomber ----------- Purifier
ewar frig ---------- Kitsune



Minnie: 4.5
Caldari: 6
Amarr: 12
Gallente: 2

Nerf Amarr. ;-)

Also, these kinds of lists are very situational (and thus, generally not all that useful)... and that's disregarding the bias and forum politicking behind them.

-Liang

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 00:19:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Mo Steel
Originally by: Frosty9
ok for all u drinkin that h8rade lets go down the list.
Best BS: Mega/domi


LOL

Quote:
Best HAC: Ishtar


LOL


Thanks for this usefull replyRolling Eyes

ps. I like the domi, mega and ishtar.

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.03.25 01:04:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
I just switched to gallente as well - a nano ship with 500+ dps, while staying completely out of harms way... sign me up.


475.2 if you're not completely ******ed


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