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Commander BlackJack
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2008.03.26 00:09:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Commander BlackJack on 26/03/2008 00:26:18
Originally by: awebon
Originally by: Gort
Originally by: Valgren
Edited by: Valgren on 23/03/2008 22:01:49
Ok, from someone who was a director of one of the ka-tet founding corps, I can tell you why a lot of people (myself included) left...

We formed ka-tet with the idea that it would be a small number of large corps. Everything would be equal among the member corps as far as the running of the alliance. Everything went well at first, but then we started losing our pvp base because we had nap'd everyone and their brother and we had to go 30 jumps to find a fight. The idea that it has anything to do with money is rediculous...there are tons of good moons out there, and although the drones don't have bounties, they have other things that smart people can take advantage of and make a lot of money. Look at the billions of isk in ship losses on the ka-tet KB, and the way they continue to throw ships away. Production capabilities out there are unmatched. But I digress.

Back to the topic at hand...once the pvp'ers started leaving, it caused a large shift in power within both Rampage Eternal and Untaught. They basically split into seperate groups, with a large number of senior members leaving because of lack of pvp. We had similar problems in AWM, but not nearly on the level as RAM and T.DK. The higher ups leaving were replaced by people who were not holding true to the ideals that we had when forming ka-tet...it eventually downgraded to where it is now, which is basically a smaller ASCN. Lots of isk and production capability, but mostly carebear and a weird conglomerate of crappy little corps...and I forsee them going down like ASCN.

Come to think of it...most of this downward slide started happening when a number of ASCN refugee corps showed up on our doorstep and we took them in as renter/residents....hmmm...

But, as far as corps/people leaving now, it's like with any other KOS-esque alliance...corps are going to come and go on a pretty steady basis, mainly people thinking it's going to be grand and finding out that they would be better off running lvl3 missions for Nurtura than being in ka-tet, and leave.

Ka-tet was never supposed to have more than 4 member corps according to our original charter. We should have just kept our blue to RA and set everyone else neutral...I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that.


Valgren
Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet


This man speaks truth.


this is the most truth in this thread.

it was unfortunate that ka-tet had to die but in a game like this its natural selection and ka-tet's time had come. Alliances come and go but friends made in said alliances remain friends, i hope this is the case in some circumstances.

RIP ka-tet, was a nice dream while it lasted


These guys spoke the truth.

"We are a brotherhood, we have built, fought, bled and died together expecting anything less from each other is simply unacceptable."

Darpz
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.01 00:09:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Darpz on 01/04/2008 00:09:58
Originally by: awebon
Originally by: Gort
Originally by: Valgren
Edited by: Valgren on 23/03/2008 22:01:49
Ok, from someone who was a director of one of the ka-tet founding corps, I can tell you why a lot of people (myself included) left...

We formed ka-tet with the idea that it would be a small number of large corps. Everything would be equal among the member corps as far as the running of the alliance. Everything went well at first, but then we started losing our pvp base because we had nap'd everyone and their brother and we had to go 30 jumps to find a fight. The idea that it has anything to do with money is rediculous...there are tons of good moons out there, and although the drones don't have bounties, they have other things that smart people can take advantage of and make a lot of money. Look at the billions of isk in ship losses on the ka-tet KB, and the way they continue to throw ships away. Production capabilities out there are unmatched. But I digress.

Back to the topic at hand...once the pvp'ers started leaving, it caused a large shift in power within both Rampage Eternal and Untaught. They basically split into seperate groups, with a large number of senior members leaving because of lack of pvp. We had similar problems in AWM, but not nearly on the level as RAM and T.DK. The higher ups leaving were replaced by people who were not holding true to the ideals that we had when forming ka-tet...it eventually downgraded to where it is now, which is basically a smaller ASCN. Lots of isk and production capability, but mostly carebear and a weird conglomerate of crappy little corps...and I forsee them going down like ASCN.

Come to think of it...most of this downward slide started happening when a number of ASCN refugee corps showed up on our doorstep and we took them in as renter/residents....hmmm...

But, as far as corps/people leaving now, it's like with any other KOS-esque alliance...corps are going to come and go on a pretty steady basis, mainly people thinking it's going to be grand and finding out that they would be better off running lvl3 missions for Nurtura than being in ka-tet, and leave.

Ka-tet was never supposed to have more than 4 member corps according to our original charter. We should have just kept our blue to RA and set everyone else neutral...I can only dream of what things would be like now if we had held true to that.


Valgren
Former Director of Armed War Monkeys(AWM), co-founding corp of Ka-tet


This man speaks truth.


this is the most truth in this thread.

it was unfortunate that ka-tet had to die but in a game like this its natural selection and ka-tet's time had come. Alliances come and go but friends made in said alliances remain friends, i hope this is the case in some circumstances.

RIP ka-tet, was a nice dream while it lasted


these guys all about coverd it, the frege war was supposed to happen in April/May of 07 with a sneak attack by smashkill/ram as a last ditch effort to restart the alliance but that never really materialized. then trigger came back to the game and decided to give up and reformed mass and that was pretty much it since all the euro pvpers left for mass from RAM and other pvpers went on to other corps.

Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Deez Nuts.
Nut Up Or Shut Up.
Posted - 2008.04.01 08:40:00 - [63]
 

is this a bad time for me to come in waving my flag?

Night Light
Gallente
Power and Production
DarkStorm Enterprises
Posted - 2008.04.01 12:03:00 - [64]
 

Valgren's reply is extremly accurate. I was a member of The Huns, a pvp corp that joined ka-tet's 3 original corps and at that time pvp was the main thing going in ka-tet. When someone showed up anywhere in the region we'd get a 30-40 men gang in under 1 minute and we'd chase them. Then came the DS1 disaster, yes they had a huge capital fleet and yes they committed them but I believe DS1 and the other ka-tet corps had a different agenda so in the end of the feyth campaign DS1 left and some of the most active pvpers were a bit fed up. At that time some ex-ASCN applied and were refused, because we simply weren't a "let's all be nice red pets and carebear the whole day long" alliance.
As additional proof to what Valgren said, we in the huns were having internal problems (real life issues, too much effort to build our own outpost, etc - doesnt matter) and since ka-tet membership was demanding we decided to leave - please note no one asked us to leave, and whoever was in the huns and is in other places today still remembers ka-tet ppl as great ppl. After that some good corps joined ka-tet but a LOT of ASCN refugees were allowed to join, too - and you simply can't say "all corps must have 100 pvpers and an outpost" and then allow some to simply behave differently!
It is sad to see what ka-tet became, after having been a true elite alliance.

Arron S
Gallente
Soviet Directorate of Eve
Posted - 2008.04.01 13:49:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:55:21
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:52:21
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
is this a bad time for me to come in waving my flag?


What kind of flag.

FYI: Ram has control of the alliance again, and is being lead by Raven Khan now. I have lost all of my Respect for AWM ,T.DK, CDI and BIG, Basically I hope the door hit them in the ass, and they fall down the stairs and break their neck. No one is Shedding tears over them leaving or being kicked out of the alliance.

Wesley Baird
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.04.01 14:23:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Arron S
Basically I hope the door hit them in the ass, and they fall down the stairs and break their neck. No one is Shedding tears over them leaving or being kicked out of the alliance.


That's the spirit!

Oofig VanDoogan
Gallente
Happy Hopping Bunny Squad
Posted - 2008.04.01 15:40:00 - [67]
 

Ka-Tet will once more regain its former glory now!

Seerr Taak
Gallente
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 15:52:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Arron S
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:55:21
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:52:21
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
is this a bad time for me to come in waving my flag?


What kind of flag.

FYI: Ram has control of the alliance again, and is being lead by Raven Khan now. I have lost all of my Respect for AWM ,T.DK, CDI and BIG, Basically I hope the door hit them in the ass, and they fall down the stairs and break their neck. No one is Shedding tears over them leaving or being kicked out of the alliance.


Have fun rebuilding under Raven Khans leadership.

Illion
Amarr
BIG
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2008.04.01 18:38:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Illion on 01/04/2008 18:39:34
Originally by: Seerr Taak
Originally by: Arron S
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:55:21
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:52:21
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
is this a bad time for me to come in waving my flag?


What kind of flag.

FYI: Ram has control of the alliance again, and is being lead by Raven Khan now. I have lost all of my Respect for AWM ,T.DK, CDI and BIG, Basically I hope the door hit them in the ass, and they fall down the stairs and break their neck. No one is Shedding tears over them leaving or being kicked out of the alliance.


Have fun rebuilding under Raven Khans leadership.


They will - and even if they aren't; Raven will tell them they are - and they'll believe him :)

Ill.

Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.04.01 18:45:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan
Ka-Tet will once more regain its former glory now!


bitter frege poast +1

Niedar
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:46:00 - [71]
 

meh good luck

Shpuntik
Minmatar
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.04.03 19:04:00 - [72]
 

to put it simple FREGE > Sparta > Falling Souls > YouWhat > DMC > KOS > KaTet whos next?

Thaanvanite
Minmatar
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.03 19:27:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Shpuntik
to put it simple FREGE > Sparta > Falling Souls > YouWhat > DMC > KOS > KaTet whos next?


you forgot OXIDE

Detaitiv
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.03 19:53:00 - [74]
 

Wait a sec, Raven is in charge again?

Isn't he the guy that made the dumb ass call to get them into all sort of trouble and hogs all the good moons?

Is this an intentional comedy?

Valgren
Caldari
IDLE GUNS
Posted - 2008.04.04 12:15:00 - [75]
 

Lol @ Raven leading anything.

Good luck, Arron. Sorry to hear you lost respect for AWM, and sorry you're apparently so butthurt about the whole situation. I know your 10 kills between December of '06 and January of '08 were the biggest single contribution to RAM's pvp efforts, so i'm glad you're still there to hold down the fort.


Val

PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
The Night Crew
Posted - 2008.04.04 12:20:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 04/04/2008 12:20:19
Originally by: Valgren
Lol @ Raven leading anything.

Good luck, Arron. Sorry to hear you lost respect for AWM, and sorry you're apparently so butthurt about the whole situation. I know your 10 kills between December of '06 and January of '08 were the biggest single contribution to RAM's pvp efforts, so i'm glad you're still there to hold down the fort.


Val


Holy **** Val. I love you.

Bam! Right in the kisser! Bam! Right in the kisser! Bam! Right in the kisser!



Catholic Priest
Caldari
Doom Guard
Libertas Fidelitas
Posted - 2008.04.04 13:32:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Valgren
Lol @ Raven leading anything.

Good luck, Arron. Sorry to hear you lost respect for AWM, and sorry you're apparently so butthurt about the whole situation. I know your 10 kills between December of '06 and January of '08 were the biggest single contribution to RAM's pvp efforts, so i'm glad you're still there to hold down the fort.


Val


Arron always was full of S*&!.Twisted Evil
You rock Val!
AWM misses you!

Defying
Minmatar
MASS
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:44:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Valgren
Lol @ Raven leading anything.

Good luck, Arron. Sorry to hear you lost respect for AWM, and sorry you're apparently so butthurt about the whole situation. I know your 10 kills between December of '06 and January of '08 were the biggest single contribution to RAM's pvp efforts, so i'm glad you're still there to hold down the fort.


Val


i never had any problems with arron but that made me chuckle

sorry arron Embarassed

o/ val hows u mate tis i chibbles

Defying
Minmatar
MASS
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:47:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Shpuntik
to put it simple FREGE > Sparta > Falling Souls > YouWhat > DMC > KOS > KaTet whos next?


also this sig made me chuckle

Shpuntik
Minmatar
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:19:00 - [80]
 

every member of invicta gets there own personal one glad you like it :)

Thak Navari
Caldari
The Suicide Express
Sobriety Test Failures
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:54:00 - [81]
 

This is still an active thread? Time to move along gents this thread is old news!

Oofig VanDoogan
Gallente
Happy Hopping Bunny Squad
Posted - 2008.04.04 19:33:00 - [82]
 

IM NOT BITTEREvil or Very Mad

Eliphal
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.04.04 23:37:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Eliphal on 04/04/2008 23:37:36
I do not know much about ka-tet's history, but I know what it was like fighting them. Sure, in pvp, they were not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed (seriously guys, some of those fittings.....). But, they didn't just give up. Even thier industrial members were flying whatever they could to try and help fight. We make jokes about them basicly being ****d, but they held on. And kept fighting, even after substantial losses.

awebon
Minmatar
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2008.04.05 00:09:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Arron S
Edited by: Arron S on 01/04/2008 13:55:21
FYI: Ram has control of the alliance again, and is being lead by Raven Khan now. I have lost all of my Respect for AWM ,T.DK, CDI and BIG, Basically I hope the door hit them in the ass, and they fall down the stairs and break their neck. No one is Shedding tears over them leaving or being kicked out of the alliance.


oh im sorry, i had to giggle... i had respect for RAM at the beginning, but since all the people i really knew left / quit and more people began to grow pretentious and egotistical i soon lost that respect i once had...

Ka-tet is not what it was/is... it's a ghost in the shell. the people we made the bonds with, the allies with, the naps... they have lost respect as the ideals and founding members have gone. all they have to work with these days are people with egos and chest beaters. buying RA's help disgusted me, 30billion isk for what? the securing of oasa and what a waste of time that was. you stretched the alliance out too far without proper logistics and numbers. the self appointed leader Raven left the corps there to fend for themselves whilst he took the r64 moons and got profitable... not a good morale booster for the alliance as the leader / leading corp get rich, others made to suffer.

as for your comment bout doors hitting our ass and breaking necks... you may sit behind the computer and hide behind your persona, but you talk bout lost respect... you never had my respect and wouldve lost it for that comment. we had our reasons for leaving, we done it peacefully and without ill manners...

as i said in my earlier post, the Ka-Tet that was created with the morales and ideals has died, the allies you once had have fallen. tis only a name without meaning.

RIP Ka-tet of old. and RIP Ka-Tet of new, you had your fun trying to play region holders, time to move on

Detrious
Caldari
Unknown Soldiers
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.04.05 01:08:00 - [85]
 

what awebon said, wth would we respect the squatters we left behind?

Katie Liu
Gallente
SKORPION CORP
Endless Horizon
Posted - 2008.04.05 23:16:00 - [86]
 

The rumors of Ka-tets Death are premature it is not dead yet!

Ztrain
Amarr
Versatech Co.
Blade.
Posted - 2008.04.06 19:08:00 - [87]
 

It is semi satisfying to see a year later what origionally told Ka-tet people during the r97 siege. Sorry but I can't really see any alliance that has ever had DS1 in their alliance as being considered a respectable alliance. Either they had previously lowered or their standards didn't exist in the first place.

Ether way even to the people not in Ka-tet but looking on from the outside. The acceptance of DS1 or STK in to your ranks is an Alliances recipe for internal disaster. You were warned a year ago.......next time heed the warnings.

Z

Tsarinia
Amarr
Outartoh Productions
X13 Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.06 19:28:00 - [88]
 

Ztrain i remember shooting your pos, seems like such a long time ago :(

Ztrain
Amarr
Versatech Co.
Blade.
Posted - 2008.04.06 20:56:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Ztrain on 06/04/2008 21:00:45
Originally by: Tsarinia
Ztrain i remember shooting your pos, seems like such a long time ago :(


Which one? LOL there were so many. Hell the number of POSs we ran was almost as many as the members in the alliance. We had one POS in r97 that was like the only POS in there at Planet 9-7. It survived two entire invasions. First the Ka-Tet invasion, then the TCF one, Was never reinforced nor attacked. It's greatest achievement was killing TCF cov ops that kept warping in to it.

Then there was 0oyz that had all moons covered. I don't recall Ka-tet ever being able to break in to that system at all. TCF I think killed the 3 smalls and then the same day that F-T was going down killed one of the larges to take sov for less then a month. Never having been able to take the other 3 down before BoB ousted them.

I remember Ka-tet coming to kill off a small in one of our dead end ratting systems in that area I can't really remember the name of atm. For the most part Ka-tet didn't really do much more then out spam and shoot down one station and kill a small ratting POS if I recall correctly. didn't really have too much trouble with Ka-tet at all. TCF was a bit of a challenge for a 15 man alliance. But that was still fun too.

Either way I knew Ka-tet was doomed once DS1 joined them. Was only a matter of time. I've thought wow they've survived the curse a lot longer then I expected. Although seeing the posts above I guess they really hadn't. Just just the hulk remained after the talent bailed.

Looking back a year ago though, had some awesome fights, lots of fun, tons of local banter. Hind sight is 20/20 but still wouldn't change at thing.

Z


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