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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.03.13 15:46:00 - [61]
 

/signed because it doesn't take one decent thread to make a ******ed change reverse. It takes 1000!!!

The Drill
Posted - 2008.03.13 16:20:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:24:41
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Kwitch
I have always had grief towards CCP for changing things that weren't broken and this is one of those things that everybody ALWAYS does and they removed it.

They're breaking the game by removing features that we use day in and day out. That is my problem. No offense.


So basically your saying we as a species broke society buy getting used to hammers instead of rocks huh? Have fun with your rock Dino or adapt. God forbid you used your Default and still was able to use the alt key right.

Not to mention that tying the scanner and overview together opens up more possibility's in speed for scanning. The people who cant figure stuff like this out are the ones whining everyone else is setting up the overview.

Oh and to anyone crying about lost overview Data I got one word "BACKUP" Rolling Eyes

The Drill
Posted - 2008.03.13 16:27:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:32:13
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:31:16
Originally by: The Drill
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:24:41
Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 16:23:46
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Kwitch
I have always had grief towards CCP for changing things that weren't broken and this is one of those things that everybody ALWAYS does and they removed it.

They're breaking the game by removing features that we use day in and day out. That is my problem. No offense.


So basically your saying we as a species broke society buy getting used to hammers instead of rocks huh? Have fun with your rock Dino or adapt. God forbid you used your Default and still was able to use the alt key right.

Not to mention that tying the scanner and overview together opens up more possibility's in speed for scanning. The people who cant figure stuff like this out are the ones whining everyone else is setting up the overview.

Oh and to anyone crying about lost overview Data I got one word "BACKUP" Rolling Eyes


OMG THE MORE I READ the more idiotic people are in here "YOU CAN GET MOONS ON 3D ENVIRONMENT IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT QUIT EVE PLEASE!!!

It Compleatly amazes me that people would complain about hitting a button right next to the one they are use to hitting for crying out loud just put a 1/4 more of your finger on the keys and you hit the combo for gods sake! Its not like you need your fingers to be on W/A/S/D to be rdy for anything!


Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2008.03.13 16:52:00 - [64]
 

any tutorials on how to get this to work, i can't figure it out at all.
been sitting here messing about with all the tabs and new options to click and alt and z and nothing. :/
show all brackets, apply filters, nothing :(

The Mute
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.03.13 16:54:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: The Mute on 13/03/2008 16:56:03
Enough with the insults. Someone please explain exactly how you need to set up the overview to see moons in space. I have tried many variations of brackets and overview and still do not get moon icons to show.

By the way the Alt-Z is a toggle for showing every icon (except moons apparently)so you don't have to hold it, just hit it once to turn everything on and again to turn everything off. If you already have all brackets showing, Alt-Z will not toggle them off though.

Also, if you set up multiple tabs it looks like the first tab will always revert to Default settings even if you try to set it to something different.

The Drill
Posted - 2008.03.13 17:00:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: The Drill on 13/03/2008 17:00:37
Took me about 10 min to set up my overview this morning but alas I am at work now and can't go over it step by step from memory. I will come back in tonight and post anything I can to help people having trouble with the overview settings.Cool

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.03.13 18:21:00 - [67]
 

From my tests, they will not show up on my screen unless I have one selected in my overview.

I am sitting here on a planet, looking at a moon, with the moons on my overview and all brackets on. With the moon SELECTED, there is the selection box around the moon, and still no icon.

Tell me what I'm doing wrong.

atrophocy
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.03.13 19:25:00 - [68]
 

i've been playing with it a fair bit, and it seems once you have things setup properly, Alt+Z does work as intended, it's just slightly different to the old "alt shows all brackets" deal.

What you need to do is have an overview profile with the stuff you want on it, ie for me that would be player ships + gates. then create another with player ships + gates + moons. Go the the last tab on overview settings, name the tab, set the first overview profile, then the second one with moons on as bracket. this way you will show all your normal stuff + moons in space. in theory.
The problem however, is that moons in 3D space have no icon, so no bracket to be displayed even when you have things setup properly.

I'm hoping this is a bug on ccp's part and it gets fixed. i dearly hope it is not intended as it is quite a serious nerf to directional scanning.

Karina Bellac
Posted - 2008.03.13 20:08:00 - [69]
 

I still trying to get my own ship to show a bracket, for lining up narrow directional scans.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.03.13 20:09:00 - [70]
 

Good, so I'm not crazy, there simply are NO icons for moons anymore.

I feel slightly better.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2008.03.13 20:22:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: The Drill
OMG THE MORE I READ the more idiotic people are in here "YOU CAN GET MOONS ON 3D ENVIRONMENT IF YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT QUIT EVE PLEASE!!!

It Compleatly amazes me that people would complain about hitting a button right next to the one they are use to hitting for crying out loud just put a 1/4 more of your finger on the keys and you hit the combo for gods sake! Its not like you need your fingers to be on W/A/S/D to be rdy for anything!




The issue ins't that you can't eventually setup an overview setting to show the brackets using 'alt-z'. The issue is that there really was no need to take away the simple 1 key method. How much are you looking foward to resetting even moar overview settings the next time CCP wipes them all for the next patch, hotfix, hamster fart? ugh

Karina Bellac
Posted - 2008.03.13 20:22:00 - [72]
 

Meh, I give up, directional scanning is just plain broken now, due to a really minor UI change.

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.03.13 20:29:00 - [73]
 

This is indeed a bug of somesort.

Just logged in to play with this, and only 1 moon in the system has an icon in space. ALL other moons do not.

DO not bring up brackets. I turned off bracket filtering, and nothing changed. The moon icons seem to be bugged, prolly related to the bracket changes, but still a bug.

as for getting brackets around your ship for aligning directional scans, you can left click your ship to "select it" which places a solid white box around it until you select something else.

Banda Minion
Posted - 2008.03.14 00:11:00 - [74]
 

Pleae bring back holding ATL to see all the celestial objects. Why did you change it ???

Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
Posted - 2008.03.14 00:22:00 - [75]
 

Sigh, now we will have to wait for the patch of the patch of the patch... familiar?

atrophocy
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.03.14 00:36:00 - [76]
 

how about this, everybody really really frustrated by this, file bug reports. fastest way to get it fixed Wink

Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.03.14 00:48:00 - [77]
 

this needs to be corrected. whilst i'm sure the new overview settings are great (haven't logged on yet since patch) holding ALT to show all celestials was a very useful shortcut which aided hugely in directional scanning.

also, while you're bringing back this functionality, please please please consider bringing back the minimap which disappeared literally years ago. please review the threads about it

Dr Caligo
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.14 01:04:00 - [78]
 

wow alt+z is messed up or something... it appears to have toggled moons to show up when you hover but there is no icon and now I can't get rid of them which is bad...

This is just stupid... give the old alt function back NOW. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Matrixcvd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.14 02:02:00 - [79]
 

this is rediculous, i compliment someone in CCP and then they turn around and do this crap.... OVERVIEWS GET BUGGED, tabs? more problems? more options? ARE YOU FRACKIN KIDDING ME!!!! i cant wait for lag... you know what works.. EVERYTIME, THE ALT KEY YOU MORONS, THE ALT KEY.

WHY DO YOU WASTE TIME PROGRAMMING STUFF THAT IS GOING TO BREAK WHEN 50 PEOPLE ARE IN SYSTEM. YOU CANT FIX THE LAG BUT YOU GENERATE PREGNANT STATION WALKERS!?!?!?!?!?!. YOU CANT FIX SIMPLE BUGS AND YOU NERF THE FRACKIN ALT KEY. WHO NERFS THE ALT KEY!!!!!!!Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad IT WAS THE SIMPLIEST AND MOST USEFUL THING IN EVE.

i have almost had enough of this crap. its absolutely mindboggling to think people are so full of themselves and their "ubergodlyness" at programming and developing UI that they remove the best way to use the scanner... oh no we cant just have 1 overview that gets bugged frequently, we need tabs. You people keep makin up more useless crap, you all should run for political office. its unbelievable the amount of BS that you try and shove down people's throats.

Nahor Noom
Posted - 2008.03.14 02:17:00 - [80]
 

ok everyone seems really confused about this whole deal so let me clarify.
the moon bracket doesnt appear in space (i'm not talking about your overview, i mean in your HUD).
best way for me to explain is to give you an example.
first we create a new overview preset only showing moons (call it moons). we create a new tab, with the the following settings "moons" - "moons" - "moons"
the way this is intended to work, should filter everything in the overview, and HUD and only show ... moons.
however (make sure bracket filtering is one) if you take a gander in space you wont see any of your moons brackets. now try warping to zero on a moon and deselecting it. notice it has a bracket now.
this is what everyones asking about, not "why is the alt key not working" or "why dont i have moons in my overview"
they mean quite simply, why cant we see moons in space anymore, as being able to do this quicklym or at all, is almost essential.
so what we are asking CCP is this, why do moon brackets not appear at all unless you're within AMAZINGLY close proximity to the moon, thus making it useless.

SoftRevolution
Posted - 2008.03.14 02:23:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: SoftRevolution on 14/03/2008 02:26:13
Good:
Wrecks on Scanner <3
Tabs for Overview <3

I love these changes.

Bad:
Moons Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

I did set up a tab for moons and it doesn't show the icons.

They're also not bright in space like they used to be Razz

Really there's just no need for that change either.

Ribeye Jaksom
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.14 02:58:00 - [82]
 

/signed

For the love of god please change it back the way it was with the alt key, this sh*t just plain sucks.

Shraek
Mercenary Coalition Holding Corp
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.03.14 03:00:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Shraek on 14/03/2008 03:01:17
Once again CCP great forethought and planning there.

Regardless of what people have said i still cannot get moons to display on my HUD. clicking on my overview through 80 odd moons is a sure way to make sure we'd never get a ditrectional scan on people we need kill.
Once again i'm convinced CCP devs are really all wow players or empire veldspar miners.

WTB a clue

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.03.14 03:58:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Quelque Chose
I'll definitely agree with you there. This game's UI is a real hassle to manipulate and needs more hotkeys badly.


I agree with this. Eve needs more hotkeys. Please let us assign regular letter keys to commands. If we want to chat, we can click the box or push enter like most MMOs that I know of. Or make it an toggleable option for those of us who need more hotkeys. I can think of a better use for the TAB key, also (cycling targets, overview tabs, etc).

I still think people are overreacting to the change to the ALT key and brackets, though.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.03.14 04:01:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Dracborne
If there's not a way to get the moon icons to actually show in space this is really gonna suck for hunting down targets.


There is a way. It requires adapting, though, which for some people is an unsurmountable requirement.

Jesnen
Amarr
Shut Up And Play
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.03.14 04:03:00 - [86]
 

I want the alt key to work again, I dont even care about the brackets because eventually we will just make one tab we like and forget about all the useless crap options forever.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.03.14 04:16:00 - [87]
 

ALT+Z works fine for me. It toggles now instead of holding to show, but otherwise seems like the old functionality. I see moons, planets, sentry guns, etc, even when they're not normally shown by my bracket settings. Push it again and they go away.

If you want to see moons in space without pushing a key, here's how. Create an overview setting with moons and whatever else you want and save it. Create a new tab--call it celestial, scanning, whatever. Right-click that new tab and click "change bracket settings". Select the settings you saved. That should work (it does for me).

Keep in mind that brackets and overview filters are separate and that the "default" tab doesn't work like the other ones. It doesn't save and you can't change the brackets. This may be the source of the problems.

Also, if you click your ship, you'll see the bracket there (like someone already said.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.03.14 04:19:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Jesnen
I want the alt key to work again, I dont even care about the brackets because eventually we will just make one tab we like and forget about all the useless crap options forever.


Yeah, because not changing your overview settings based on the situation (unless you only do one thing in the game ever) is totally FTW.Rolling Eyes

atrophocy
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:18:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
If you want to see moons in space without pushing a key, here's how. Create an overview setting with moons and whatever else you want and save it. Create a new tab--call it celestial, scanning, whatever. Right-click that new tab and click "change bracket settings". Select the settings you saved. That should work (it does for me).

Keep in mind that brackets and overview filters are separate and that the "default" tab doesn't work like the other ones. It doesn't save and you can't change the brackets. This may be the source of the problems.


yes, this is exactly how it should work. setup an overview profile with celestials [moons] on it, and set it as the bracket. And yes, i'm sure the moons are showing, we just cant see them cos their bracket is a blank icon, hence, we cant see moons.

All the other changes here will be relatively easy to adapt to, if only ccp would give moons icons again, which i'm hoping is a bug.

Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:49:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Karina Bellac
I still trying to get my own ship to show a bracket, for lining up narrow directional scans.

One workaround for this is to simply use the tactical overview and zoom all the way out. It's not ideal, but enables you do do 5 scans easily (assuming you can find the damned moon that is!)


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