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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:37:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
it just keeps coming back to the pink undies Crying or Very sad


Yeah? But what about them specifically?

YOU STARTED THIS RHUBARB, NOW SPILL N00B!!!


do you really want to know?

you don't want to know



No man, I'm sorry if I put you off like that it's just been a stressful day over here. Really, sincerely, I'm honestly interested in hearing what you have to say here if you feel like getting it off your chest. Embarassed


stavros' expert file only he is in pink undies Embarassed

Cybele Lanier
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:38:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: happomaagi
Pink undies are hot!


Discuss.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:39:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Cybele Lanier
Originally by: happomaagi
Pink undies are hot!


Discuss.


we have been... where have you been?

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:40:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
stavros' expert file only he is in pink undies Embarassed


Shocked


Surprised

omg...


Devs plz nerf pink undies next patch kthx.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:40:00 - [65]
 

Titans are fine for logistics purposes, but the DD being able to instapop everything smaller than a properly tanked battleship was the worst idea ever.

EVE is full of game mechanics that don't scale, for example the tanking ability of dreads/carriers in siege modes (a sieged dread can't be saved if enough DPS is on it no matter how many friends it has), why the hell should 10 titans' DDs scale linearly?


Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:41:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
stavros' expert file only he is in pink undies Embarassed


Shocked


Surprised

omg...


Devs plz nerf pink undies next patch kthx.


i told you you didn't want to know.

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.03.10 23:42:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Pan Crastus
Titans are fine for logistics purposes, but the DD being able to instapop everything smaller than a properly tanked battleship was the worst idea ever.

EVE is full of game mechanics that don't scale, for example the tanking ability of dreads/carriers in siege modes (a sieged dread can't be saved if enough DPS is on it no matter how many friends it has), why the hell should 10 titans' DDs scale linearly?




Stay on topic please, we're talking about pink undies...

Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:00:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Soulita on 11/03/2008 00:04:59
Originally by: CCP Whisper
To the OP: Please, satisfy my curiosity and tell me just why you want these iconic vessels removed from the game? If the list of reasons is indeed so long as to cause my eyeballs to start bleeding, then how about the top ten reasons? I shan't be able to sleep tonight without getting this cleared up, and then I'll be grumpy on patch day and will probably end up taking a hammer to the hamsters in an attempt to re-enact the Monty Python mouse-organ sketch (but with hamsters...and probably lyrics in Icelandic or Bork Bork Bork). Please, think of the hamsters. Top ten reasons. C'mon.


Meh ok.

3 reasons for a start.

1) Single push of a button should be able to wipe out whole fleet of non cap ships?

2) Titan and mothership pilots are sort of stuck in their ships since they can not dock. So if trained on an old account most skills are likely to be wasted.

3) Titan gangs. With time passing, becomes more and more likely we will see these. Titan gangs need no support ships.

You can check the thread in CAOD for some more reasons.

Also, what in the world is iconic about these ships?
Bunch of polygons like all the other ships. Just bigger.
I would not miss them one bit once they are gone.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:05:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/03/2008 01:02:55
edit: nvm the original text I had here.
The biggest alliances should have access to the biggest ships if they feel they have the ISK to burn. I think that with the hour-long duration between DDD fire, the inability to jump after firing the DDD, the ability of Dictors/Heavy Dictors to bubble/infinipoint them, and the ability of properly fit ships to tank a DDD the Titan is quite vulnerable enough in combat. The jump gate and clone vat bay are both unique features that I also feel are appropriate for such a large vessel.

Besides, the DDD can't kill Dreads outright, and if you're going to kill a Titan whose pilot is logged in you're going to want Dreadnought support.

Ozstar
Black Rise Angels
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:08:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Soulita
Edited by: Soulita on 10/03/2008 16:09:15

As the title says. The end of the doomsday and the flying station.

Full isk reimbursement for the Titan pilots.
Skillpoints formerly used for the Titan can be freely reassigned.

One can dream, and I would love to see this happen.




And what the man hours it takes to build a titan? GL reimbursing that

Pantaloon McPants
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:09:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Pantaloon McPants on 11/03/2008 00:10:10
It will be amusing when by the end of the year we see an alliance with 20+ titans defending there fleet of 300+ dreadnaughts. Probably by then ccp will introduce some super triple decker titannaught that can one pop titans, or a huge energy bomb or pos turret the size of a small moon.

edit> end game?

Sythyss
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:13:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Sythyss on 11/03/2008 00:14:30

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:14:00 - [73]
 

Meh ok.

3 reasons for a start.

1) Single push of a button should be able to wipe out whole fleet of non cap ships?

2) Titan and mothership pilots are sort of stuck in their ships since they can not dock. So if trained on an old account most skills are likely to be wasted.

3) Titan gangs. With time passing, becomes more and more likely we will see these. Titan gangs need no support ships.

You can check the thread in CAOD for some more reasons.

Also, what in the world is iconic about these ships?
Bunch of polygons like all the other ships. Just bigger.
I would not miss them one bit once they are gone.


1.
Yes. This is what makes the Titan even theoretically viable in battle situations. Without the DD, and even with it, the Titan is extremely vulnerable to swarm attacks.

As an offensive maneuver, it's very risky, and the ISK value of the ships it potentially destroys is nowhere near that of its cost. One usually expects a battleship to destroy at least another battleship before it goes down, but a Titan will almost certainly fail to destroy a cost equivalent amount of ships before its own demise.

2.
This is the price of flying a Titan or Mothership. And, in fact, it's the price of flying any ship. If you specialize in battleships, all those frigates aren't worth much to you. If you specialize in Dreadnoughts, your inty skills are most likely sub-par. The pre-requisite skills for flying a Titan aren't wasted - getting those skills is part of the price of flying a capital ship. And, since these ships are meant to be Alliance assets, a non-issue...you should have at least two Titan pilots.

3.
Titan...gangs?

...

Riiiiiight.

So, you're saying that a bunch of ships with omni-directional weapons, worth 100 billion ISK or more, are going to be flying around together, if I understand you correctly.

Doing what?

Skaz
Minmatar
Skazmanian Industries
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:15:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Skaz on 11/03/2008 00:18:22
Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Soulita

Lots of reasons. Too many to list.

Try.


Bah, no.

I leave this open for discussion.

If everyone besides me is in favour of Titans no point in arguing anyways.


I'm not in for argument I just plainly don't see the problem and would like the problem pointed out to me with a list of problems detailing the reasons. Preferably in a humiliating manner that show that I'm a stupid n00b who hasn't been playing for over 4.5 years....

otherwise this is just a trolling attempt.

Munen
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:20:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
For the sake of something to actually discuss:

Do Titans lead to stagnation of Eve?
Is the effect of multiple Titans greater than the sum of its parts?
E.g. if an organisation has one Titan, it's possible to deal with it. If it has two, is it more than twice as hard?. If there are three, is it a great deal harder still?
If an organisation has sufficient numbers of Titans, do they become so difficult to deal with that they are effectively invincible within current game mechanics and server capability? And that only internal conflict or players leaving the game could change this?

I've read such comments in chat and on forums. But forums aren't exactly beacons of truth, and people frequently type complete garbage in chat.


I have never been in 0.0 long enough to even see a Titan but I have read a post a year ago about how Titans will change Eve combat as their numbers increase. That assessment was partially dead on in that it will lead to stagnation.

I have played Planetside and CR5s with oribital bombardments in my mind are no different from Titans using their superweapons. Before bombabrdments were rare but as time went on multiple CR5s meant bombardments could be used for defensive and offensive maneuvers at the same time. CR5s singlehandedly could steam roll entire armies of infantry and army in seconds and keep them supressed in their spawn tubes until a base capture was successful. Battles with large armies are pointless if too many CR5s are logged in.

Hitme Harder
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:22:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: CCP Whisper
To the OP: Please, satisfy my curiosity and tell me just why you want these iconic vessels removed from the game? If the list of reasons is indeed so long as to cause my eyeballs to start bleeding, then how about the top ten reasons? I shan't be able to sleep tonight without getting this cleared up, and then I'll be grumpy on patch day and will probably end up taking a hammer to the hamsters in an attempt to re-enact the Monty Python mouse-organ sketch (but with hamsters...and probably lyrics in Icelandic or Bork Bork Bork). Please, think of the hamsters. Top ten reasons. C'mon.



Originally by: EvE
Titans: Fathers of the fleet, the biggest of the big.

Originally by: EvE
AVATAR

Casting his sight on his realm, the Lord witnessed
The cascade of evil, the torrents of war.
Burning with wrath, He stepped
down from the Heavens
To judge the unworthy,
To redeem the pure.

-The Scriptures, Revelation Verses 2:12

Originally by: EvE
LEVIATHAN

Citizens of the State, rejoice!

Today, a great milestone has been achieved by our glorious leaders. A stepping stone in the grand story of our empire has been traversed. Our individual fears may be quietened; the safety of our great nation has been secured.

Today, unyielding, we have walked the way of the warrior. In our hands have our fates been molded. On the Leviathan’s back will our civilization be carried home and the taint of the Enemy purged from our souls.

Rejoice, citizens! Victory is at hand.

-Caldari State Information Bureau Pamphlet, 23248 AD

Originally by: EvE
EREBUS

From the formless void’s gaping maw, there springs an entity. Not an entity such as any you can conceive of, nor I; an entity more primordial than the elements themselves, yet constantly coming into existence even as it is destroyed. It is the Child of Chaos, the Pathway to the Next.

The darkness shall swallow the land, and in its wake there will follow a storm, as the appetite of nothing expands over the world.

From the formless void’s gaping maw, there springs an entity.

Dr. Damella Macaper
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse

Originally by: EvE
RAGNAROK

The liberty of our people is solely our responsibility. Tempting as it is to foist this burden upon our well-wishers, we must never forget that the onus of our emancipation rests with us and us alone.

For too long, our proud people have been subjugated to the whims of enslavers, forced to endure relentless suffering and humiliation at the hands of people whose motivations, masked though they may be by florid religious claptrap, remain as base and despicable as those of the playground bully.

If ever there was a time to rise – if ever there was a time to join hands with our brothers – that time is now. At this exact junction in history we have within our grasp the means to loosen our tormentors’ hold and win freedom for our kin. Opportunities are there to be taken.

Brothers, we must rise.

-Malaetu Shakor, Republic Parliament Head
Speaking before the Tribal Council
November 27th, YC 107


How about you start us off with some intended ship roles.
I mean, we get that they're big, have been described by CCP as large ****s. But was there a purpose to having them in the game beyond an opportunity to write some fanfic?

Niko medes
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:29:00 - [77]
 

heh there isnt much use for a titan anyhow..

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:38:00 - [78]
 

OP make head hurt Sad

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:47:00 - [79]
 

about a year ago people were all saying that titans would be flying all around and a dd would go off every 2 minutes, not quite the case now.

also a gang with several titans would get a crapton of bonuses, as well as a tripple dd or something would kill damn near everything, except cap ships, giving the titans time to get out and cloak for long enough to jump out.

Tempest Kane
Amarr
Reikoku
Posted - 2008.03.11 00:56:00 - [80]
 

If in doubt , put a goon alt thread up!

Your inabilty to take systems with some 800 people in co-ordinated strikes against 250 of us isnt down to titans and cyno jammers, its coz we are better than you.

Grow a sack and stop whining you useless waist of space.

Menth
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:00:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Menth on 11/03/2008 01:00:25
This might help

http://www.thinkandgrowballs.com/


Edit: forum should auto link url's :/

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:06:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Hitme Harder
How about you start us off with some intended ship roles.
I mean, we get that they're big, have been described by CCP as large ****s. But was there a purpose to having them in the game beyond an opportunity to write some fanfic?


My sarcasm detection is only trained to 4 so maybe I'm taking your post too seriously, but Titans DO have roles. They have a variety of them in fact, and most have to do with alliance logistics and combat support. They have massive bonuses that they give to fleet members and of course you can use the jump gate to move friendly ships to other systems. There's even a clone bay so your pilots can get right back in the action with the ships you're carrying in your giant corporate hangar.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:06:00 - [83]
 

hai bob!

Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:08:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Tempest Kane
If in doubt , put a goon alt thread up!

Your inabilty to take systems with some 800 people in co-ordinated strikes against 250 of us isnt down to titans and cyno jammers, its coz we are better than you.

Grow a sack and stop whining you useless waist of space.


Check my char history. Have no business with the goons.
Please leave your war out of this thread and go back to CAOD.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:09:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Tempest Kane
If in doubt , put a goon alt thread up!

Your inabilty to take systems with some 800 people in co-ordinated strikes against 250 of us isnt down to titans and cyno jammers, its coz we are better than you.

Grow a sack and stop whining you useless waist of space.


Check my char history. Have no business with the goons.
Please leave your war out of this thread and go back to CAOD.


they say when you go into CAOD you can never come out Shocked

Hitme Harder
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:14:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Hitme Harder
How about you start us off with some intended ship roles.
I mean, we get that they're big, have been described by CCP as large ****s. But was there a purpose to having them in the game beyond an opportunity to write some fanfic?


My sarcasm detection is only trained to 4 so maybe I'm taking your post too seriously, but Titans DO have roles. They have a variety of them in fact, and most have to do with alliance logistics and combat support. They have massive bonuses that they give to fleet members and of course you can use the jump gate to move friendly ships to other systems. There's even a clone bay so your pilots can get right back in the action with the ships you're carrying in your giant corporate hangar.

This is a useful question because usually developers don't see a problem with something until they know how its supposed to be.

If there are defined roles for Titans, by all means they should write them down. Only then will they be able to tell if the ships are meeting or exceeding their intended usefulness.

And if they have no intended usefulness, then there can't be a problem with them. Their role will simply be whatever it is they're doing.

So far the only official decision that CCP has shown is that titans should be killable, when they nerfed the jump after DDD.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:20:00 - [87]
 

from what i read it said they blow stuff up.

and well, thats what they do, well other than sit around rather defenseless except for the 1 big boom! (or maybe a support fleet, sometimes people bring that too)

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:26:00 - [88]
 

I wouldn't want to see the concept of Titans removed, but their current implementation is just horrible.

If CCP could redo what Supercapitals are from the ground up, they should be a part of EVE. If not, then yeah. I wouldn't really miss em.

My main dislike is that no serious attempt was made to code them from scratch. Instead they borrowed a lot of pre-existing mechanics, thinking its okay to do so.

Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:28:00 - [89]
 

Titans are alright aside from maybe portals bein a bit too easy, since theyre sitting ducks after they DD. The real problem is that carrier gangs > * , need only look at battle reports coming out of major .0 fights on this one.

Barlaka
Amarr
Thermopile Systems
Posted - 2008.03.11 01:44:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Morrow Disca
Penguins.
Not a fan myself.
Discuss.


I have always wondered if they would make good snacks?
Some at CCP like the smoked Puffin (i hear).
Perhaps smoked penguin satay or Bbq. Just thinking about saving the tiny ice fish.

I feel the same way about Titans.
B


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