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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:28:00 - [1]
 

Me and a couple of mates built a computer a while back... from old spare parts etc.. only to get to the XP login screen and realize that it needed to be activated.. which as i don't have the original key or any patience for phone calls to companies.. we left it at that..

Just occurred to me to install ubuntu on it! so i have done,

what will i need to install?

Anything i should know?


Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:34:00 - [2]
 

sudo rm *.*
















(Okay, don't do that)

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:47:00 - [3]
 


Namaro
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:48:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Namaro on 05/03/2008 00:55:01
edit: sorry apparently i misunderstood your question :P
thought you wanted a list of programs that are nice to have after the install...

wine: running windows programs
audacious: winamp like audio player (fork of xmms)
amarok: itunes like audio player / music library mgmt
evetimer: eve skill monitor
firefox 3 beta: much better than firefox 2 on linux
pidgin: instant messaging client
videolan client (vlc): same as on windows

if you have an old pc try a lighter windowmanager/desktop environment like xfce (xubuntu-desktop package in the repository) or fluxbox

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:58:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Namaro
if you have an old pc try a lighter windowmanager/desktop environment like xfce (xubuntu-desktop package in the repository) or fluxbox
I would stay away from xfce. It's a PITA to customize and configure.

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:37:00 - [6]
 

EVE for linux.

DUH.

Oh, and don't forget to look up the info on copying the arial.tff file to the correct spot so you get more than a blank screen when you start EVE.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.05 19:27:00 - [7]
 

Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2008.03.05 19:33:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lord MuffloN
sudo rm *.*


I think you were looking for 'sudo rm /'. The '*.*' is a DOS thing, though it will delete some files under a Unix-like system.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 21:11:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Patch86
Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked


Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 21:15:00 - [10]
 

Currently reading instructions which require you to download drivers to the desktop...

Need internet access??? go to www.thisisthestupidestthingiveeverseen.com now!!!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.05 21:36:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/03/2008 21:35:54
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Patch86
Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Those things can even be a hassle in Windows... no integrated wireless or LAN? Shocked

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/03/2008 21:35:54
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Patch86
Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Those things can even be a hassle in Windows... no integrated wireless or LAN? Shocked


We don't have a wired LAN unfortunately, parents choice that, don't know why ive never used an integrated card never had the need i suppose seeing as when i plug the external card into vista it works straight off the mark YARRRR!!.

Might be easier to connect the ubuntu comp to my main comp and run the Internet through that? will that work?

If anyone knows you do, surely. Laughing

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Patch86
Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Those things can even be a hassle in Windows... no integrated wireless or LAN? Shocked


We don't have a wired LAN unfortunately, parents choice that, don't know why ive never used an integrated card never had the need i suppose seeing as when i plug the external card into vista it works straight off the mark YARRRR!!.

Might be easier to connect the ubuntu comp to my main comp and run the Internet through that? will that work?

If anyone knows you do, surely. Laughing
Bridging the ethernet connection will work; I know its pretty easy in both Windows and Linux, and should require no configuration on the receiving computer. To do this, simply make sure your main computer has two network plugs--plug in the LAN in one and the output in another, select both connections in network config, and right click/bridge.

I think you can do similar for wired to wireless and vice versa, though I'm not entirely sure.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:26:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Originally by: Patch86
Mtthias using a non-Windows OS? /gobsmacked Shocked
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Those things can even be a hassle in Windows... no integrated wireless or LAN? Shocked


We don't have a wired LAN unfortunately, parents choice that, don't know why ive never used an integrated card never had the need i suppose seeing as when i plug the external card into vista it works straight off the mark YARRRR!!.

Might be easier to connect the ubuntu comp to my main comp and run the Internet through that? will that work?

If anyone knows you do, surely. Laughing
Bridging the ethernet connection will work; I know its pretty easy in both Windows and Linux, and should require no configuration on the receiving computer. To do this, simply make sure your main computer has two network plugs--plug in the LAN in one and the output in another, select both connections in network config, and right click/bridge.

I think you can do similar for wired to wireless and vice versa, though I'm not entirely sure.


Im sure ive done it before, although obviously never with a linux computer, we will see!

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:44:00 - [15]
 

bah i have bridged the two connections but still no Internet access on the ubuntu comp? any ideas? im not on the ball today..

Matthias Clemi
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:52:00 - [16]
 

Got it working! Posting from ubuntu! Very Happy

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 22:55:00 - [17]
 

Whats that cool cube thing called?

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.05 23:37:00 - [18]
 

You know the ubuntu logo is threee people holding hands in a circle?

is that because they are committing ritual suicide due to the insane frustration caused by this OS?

Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
Posted - 2008.03.06 00:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
You know the ubuntu logo is threee people holding hands in a circle?

is that because they are committing ritual suicide due to the insane frustration caused by this OS?


For every major user problem in Linux, I can quote a bunch of others that Windows has. Judged by the same standards, Windows isn't significantly more user-friendly than Linux. Even the problem you had above isn't too hard if you're picky about what wireless card to buy.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.06 00:38:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/03/2008 00:40:06
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
You know the ubuntu logo is threee people holding hands in a circle?

is that because they are committing ritual suicide due to the insane frustration caused by this OS?
I've encountered far more computers that Windows doesn't work out of the box on than Ubuntu.

Actually, I have never found a computer in my entire life that worked completely with a default Windows install, ever. You always need extra graphics drivers, and quite often the networking doesn't even work, and you need to sneakernet the drivers on.

Ubuntu, on the other hand, has worked out of the box on basically everything I've ever installed it on. The only problem I've ever had is sound, which is somewhat finicky.

Menth
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.03.06 01:41:00 - [21]
 

Install freeciv. :D
Get compiz working.
Find a nice terminal
browse synaptic for other free games and software
install fedora core 8 :p

Also download KDE desktop environment i find it better than gnome. Once you have installed KDE you can install switchdesk to change between the desktops.




benzss
Twisted Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.06 02:48:00 - [22]
 

The Ubuntu forums are greatly helpful. Chances are if you have a problem then someone else has already made a thread about it.

Malachi
Filthy Scum
Scum Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.06 08:06:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mtthias Clemi

Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.


Try ndiswrappers to get your usb dongle to work. Although it can be a pain to get it working properly and requires using windows .inf driver files. It may also require fiddling with the kernel too to get the module loaded. Thats one thing the linux fan boys don't tell you. Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.06 08:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Malachi
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Try ndiswrappers to get your usb dongle to work. Although it can be a pain to get it working properly and requires using windows .inf driver files. It may also require fiddling with the kernel too to get the module loaded. Thats one thing the linux fan boys don't tell you. Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.
This is true. On Windows, drivers almost never work initially, but can be coaxed to work with a reasonable amount of effort. On Linux, it'll usually work initially, but if it doesn't, you're very often screwed.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2008.03.06 08:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Malachi
Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.


That's where the quote "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing" comes into play I think Razz

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.06 09:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Malachi
Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.
That's where the quote "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing" comes into play I think Razz
And Windows is only cheap if your time is worth nothing YARRRR!!.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.06 11:03:00 - [27]
 

I just switched my main Linux box from Ubuntu to OpenSuSe 10.3

There were a couple of head-mashing-keyboard moments (I had to boot to Windows at one stage to re-partition the drives because the Linux tool decided that half way through the process it could no longer write to them), but I am glad to be back with SuSe to be honest.

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Ubuntu, and I would definately recommend either that or Mandrake (Mandriva) to first time Linux users, I just prefer SuSe.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2008.03.06 14:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Malachi
Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.
That's where the quote "Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing" comes into play I think Razz
And Windows is only cheap if your time is worth nothing YARRRR!!.


I don't get it Sad

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.06 18:15:00 - [29]
 

All of the things DS and others have said about windows seems completely wrong to me... Ubuntu doesn't let me do anything, wont let me install wine wont let me do this or that, limited something not compatible... driving me mad... whereas vista..

Plugged in, drivers found installed working! everything works straight off the mark, but then maybe thats just me.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2008.03.06 18:19:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Malachi
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
Well i installed it, now i just have to get my Internet working... i use wireless.. with usb dongle things, apparently Linux users don't like them as they seem about as easy to install as fitting an elephant in your suitcase.
Try ndiswrappers to get your usb dongle to work. Although it can be a pain to get it working properly and requires using windows .inf driver files. It may also require fiddling with the kernel too to get the module loaded. Thats one thing the linux fan boys don't tell you. Linux can be a right f**king nightmare if you don't have well supported hardware.
This is true. On Windows, drivers almost never work initially, but can be coaxed to work with a reasonable amount of effort. On Linux, it'll usually work initially, but if it doesn't, you're very often screwed.


This especially is not true as far as im concerned, and even more especially so if your referring to the wireless card drivers, which always work, at least in my experience.


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