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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.03.17 18:23:00 - [691]
 

I Dont live in empire - so Cant say I care.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2008.03.17 18:27:00 - [692]
 

ITS GOONSWARM!

If you see 80 people jump into the system all at once and your in a hulk then dock.

Darwin Duck
Evil Monkey Asylum
Wile E Coyote's
Posted - 2008.03.17 20:01:00 - [693]
 

From what I've read here I only see one problem, and I might even have missunderstood it all.
But the way I understand it is: If player A,B and C are out groupmining in high sec and someone come in to suicide-attack player A, then player B and C can't open fire on the Kamakazi pilot. All they can do is shield and armor rep player A If this is correct it's weak.
Other than that I see no problem.

Malbolge
Posted - 2008.03.17 20:04:00 - [694]
 

Nothing wrong with a lack of safety as long as it's reciprocal. Therefore I propose that the shields and hps of all Goon industrial POSes be the same as that of a handful of mackinaws. Or let them fit a tank at the cost of having to be refueled every 2 hours.

There might be a few whines, in which case I would suggest they should stfu and adapt, and roundly be made fun of too. Because everybody knows that in hardcore sandbox pvp games things like good game design are not important.

Amarth Thargan
Posted - 2008.03.19 08:20:00 - [695]
 

First of all, if you don't like a game, quit it. Whining but keeping on paying will only make the developers richer.
Secondly the whole i'm hardcore and you're a carebear thing is rediculous. It's a game, you go really fast pewpew, the other does it slower or from a bad angel and loses (you can change pewpew with dice-roll, mouseclick,etc. Whatever mechanics you favor). Only thing you lose is ingame cash\ loot\ equip\ exp. The one thing that makes you a succesfull mmo player is balancing your time invested against frustration due to time lost, nothing more, nothing less.

About the gank issue. Build more ships than they do, stalk em, kill em, loot their corpses and burn their villages. Poison their wells ans steal their cattle, heck give their starbase-adresses to local cult missionaries and various companies that specialise in home to home marketing, tupperware em to oblivion...anyway you get the point.

To be honest, i can't be bother to ever start doing that. I just tend to move on to something new instead of getting needlessly worked up about a game.


PS: if the games allow for certain things to get exploited, there is nothing preventing you from looking for counters ofcourse>

Gate Bait
Posted - 2008.04.04 13:22:00 - [696]
 

The previous poster is right. I canít allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. Iím part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this:

Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through Eveís continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt.

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.

One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.

Vinchester
Posted - 2008.04.04 13:26:00 - [697]
 

Originally by: Gate Bait
The previous poster is right. I canít allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. Iím part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this:

Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through Eveís continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt.

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.

One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.



wanna pve? PLAY WOW. ITS THAT SIMPLE. gosh.. u carebears make baby Jesus cry.

Gate Bait
Posted - 2008.04.04 13:38:00 - [698]
 

Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 13:38:57
Originally by: Vinchester
Originally by: Gate Bait
The previous poster is right. I canít allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. Iím part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this:

Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through Eveís continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt.

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.

One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.



wanna pve? PLAY WOW. ITS THAT SIMPLE. gosh.. u carebears make baby Jesus cry.


Thank you for proving my point about being short-sided. It only took 4 mins!

Nitemare111
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.04 13:51:00 - [699]
 

Okay, exhumer died? Outfit a BS with mining lasers, shield extenders, and cargo expanders. Gankers hate that, as they can't kill you fast enough. So you can't mine as fast. At least you get to take the ore home.

Typhoon
4xMining Laser II
2x Assault or Heavy Launcher
Tractor
Salvager

1xC5L Booster
1xPeroxide Battery
?xlarge shield Extenders/Hardeners

7xCargo Expander II

3xCargo I Rigs

Gate Bait
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:03:00 - [700]
 

Originally by: Nitemare111
Okay, exhumer died? Outfit a BS with mining lasers, shield extenders, and cargo expanders. Gankers hate that, as they can't kill you fast enough. So you can't mine as fast. At least you get to take the ore home.

Typhoon
4xMining Laser II
2x Assault or Heavy Launcher
Tractor
Salvager

1xC5L Booster
1xPeroxide Battery
?xlarge shield Extenders/Hardeners

7xCargo Expander II

3xCargo I Rigs


Thanks for the suggestion, although I'm still stuck genenerating cash for ice products this will solve the ore problem.

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:07:00 - [701]
 

Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 04/04/2008 14:07:11
Originally by: Gate Bait

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.



Only because you can't be bothered to set Goons to Red so they show up in local.

Or get the info from the kill board on which Goons are doing this and add them to your adress book so you know if they are online.

Because you can't run a locator agent to see where they are atm.

Because you can't stay aligned to a station and be ready to dock as soon as you see them in local.

It's not hard.There's no 'skill' involved.All you have to do is pay attention.

Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.04.04 14:11:00 - [702]
 

Originally by: Gate Bait
The previous poster is right. I canít allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. Iím part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this:

Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through Eveís continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt.

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.

One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.



One thing is certain. General chat will lose a lot of it's favorite whining topics if there's ever a ew PvE based scifi MMORPG coming out. EA might have been premature to milk E&B to death instead of rennovating it and offering it as a non PvP alternative to EVE. One look at posts like this proves there is definetely a market for such a game.

And the rest of the EVE players sure won't miss them!

Commander 598
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.04.04 15:35:00 - [703]
 

I must know, if you really hate dealing with people so much why do you persist in playing games whose entire point is LOTS of other people?

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:54:00 - [704]
 

Originally by: Commander 598
I must know, if you really hate dealing with people so much why do you persist in playing games whose entire point is LOTS of other people?


It's not just you mate.They hate EVERYBODY!




/hugs Commander 598

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.04 16:54:00 - [705]
 

Originally by: Gate Bait
Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.



You really "get" Goons. Don't you?

Gate Bait
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:34:00 - [706]
 

Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 04/04/2008 14:07:11
Originally by: Gate Bait

For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over.



Only because you can't be bothered to set Goons to Red so they show up in local.

Or get the info from the kill board on which Goons are doing this and add them to your adress book so you know if they are online.

Because you can't run a locator agent to see where they are atm.

Because you can't stay aligned to a station and be ready to dock as soon as you see them in local.

It's not hard.There's no 'skill' involved.All you have to do is pay attention.



Once one removes all the distain an hatred from this reply, its actually good adivce and I thank you for it.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:42:00 - [707]
 

I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? ugh

Sgt Brasco
Posted - 2008.04.04 17:49:00 - [708]
 

My stance: it is crazy that Goon swarm can come into 0.5+ and suicide gank ships and get the insurance - the getting of the insurance is the crazy part, and something that i personally feel CCP should address regardless of the current situation.

BUT...
What would happen if this was happening to mission runners rather than miners?

Before someone jumps on this comment, it is hypothetical in that I know it would need different tactics, if possible at all. And I am aware that some mission runners get suicide ganked - but I'm talking about a major across the board suicide ganking regardless of whether the ship is faction fitted.

Do so many people say quit the whining because they don't mine, and thus it doesn't immediately affect them?

Are too many of us turning a blind eye, until it effects us - and then will it be too late?

Gate Bait
Posted - 2008.04.04 18:13:00 - [709]
 

Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 18:20:07
Originally by: Zeba
I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? ugh


Don't know, but my kill was real enough. The attacker took advantage of an exploit or there's a bug or something. After it was over I had no kill rights. It's currently being investagted by CCP.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2008.04.05 04:13:00 - [710]
 

Originally by: Gate Bait
Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 18:20:07
Originally by: Zeba
I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? ugh


Don't know, but my kill was real enough. The attacker took advantage of an exploit or there's a bug or something. After it was over I had no kill rights. It's currently being investagted by CCP.


Digs out his /tinfoilhat

BTW the logs show nothing. ugh


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