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Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2008.02.27 04:12:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Delnas on 27/02/2008 04:14:22
I'm wondering what ship people think would be best to sit on a gate in 0.0 popping frigates & haulers as they come through, namely Interceptors, probably in Syndicate. I'd need to lock low-signature radius targets almost instantly, have as high as possible Alpha for AFs/Tanked Haulers, and have around 50km range for safety reasons.

I was thinking a Muninn, but am not sure. My optimal is 70km (targeting range 66km), my alpha is 1477, and my scan resolution is 1001 with scripts. There is only one problem; A unfit Crow without skills has 1,528 effective HP.

Edit: I'm rethinking speed over range. Perhaps a Nano-Sabre would be the way to go? I'd like to do this solo as I know it'd be overly easy between a Sabre & a Muninn... which, once setup correctly, it probably will be anyway.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.02.27 04:27:00 - [2]
 

I'd do this:

Rupture
4x 720mm Arty II (RF Emp)
3x Sensor Booster II (Speed)
4x Gyro II, TE II

Should deliver an alpha of 1900 Damage at 17km... so sit on top of the gate. When they jump in, *KABOOM*. Note: This will likely instapop frigs/interceptors if you can lock them before they warp.

You'll die if you shoot anything bigger - but hey, it's fairly cheap.

-Liang

Sinnbad Mayhem
Posted - 2008.02.27 04:55:00 - [3]
 

If you have the funds = Sensor boosted Huginn with T2 Scram

Web, Scram, *pop*, loot. Rinse. Repeat.


Sauromugue
Posted - 2008.02.27 04:58:00 - [4]
 

No amount of scan res will make up for your lack of reaction time and the near insta-warp of ceptors.

Parfait M
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2008.02.27 05:07:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Parfait M on 27/02/2008 05:08:24
Just drop a small mobile bubble about 30-50km in line of the most-trafficked gate and sit there with a Rapier outside of the bubble. Like so:


0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~0--------(O)bubble ^you
gate 1 warp route.......desti gate

If both gates are aligned and the bubble is placed along that thread, they'll be pulled off the gate and into your bubble. It works for about 100km off of the gate in either direction.

Make sure to set up a secure container in a safe spot full of small bubbles. That way if a gang comes through, you can easily cloak up, and they may steal the bubble, but you can get more.

If any ceptor or hauler warps into the bubble, you know what to do. Ceptor MWD flaring up will let you easily lock.

Haulers will probably be stabbed to hell though, so if you're more concerned about haulers, just throw a large bubble on the gate if you can fit it. Sabre is better for hauler killing.

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2008.02.27 06:06:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Delnas on 27/02/2008 06:11:23
Edited by: Delnas on 27/02/2008 06:10:33
Originally by: Sauromugue
No amount of scan res will make up for your lack of reaction time and the near insta-warp of ceptors.


Generally, I can begin locking the Cepters before they warp. The gate activate cues you to get ready, and my reaction time is extremely fast. My problem is locking time, and I think with 3 Sensor Boosters I can get 70-80% of them. I'm also curious how auto-targeting works as that might fix the problem for people with slow reaction times that believe Cepters can't be locked. ^_^

On an interesting note, Gamers have on average 50% faster reaction time then non-gamers. It is highest among FPS gamers followed by RTS player. Just an interesting study I did while board waiting for psychology class for a few days.

Originally by: Liang Nuren
I'd do this:

Rupture
4x 720mm Arty II (RF Emp)
3x Sensor Booster II (Speed)
4x Gyro II, TE II

Should deliver an alpha of 1900 Damage at 17km... so sit on top of the gate. When they jump in, *KABOOM*. Note: This will likely instapop frigs/interceptors if you can lock them before they warp.

You'll die if you shoot anything bigger - but hey, it's fairly cheap.

-Liang


Thats a pretty good idea. Its cheap so I wouldn't have to worry about dying. I'm a K/D ratio *****, but I still think its a good idea.

Originally by: Parfait M
Edited by: Parfait M on 27/02/2008 05:08:24
Just drop a small mobile bubble about 30-50km in line of the most-trafficked gate and sit there with a Rapier outside of the bubble. Like so:


0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~0--------(O)bubble ^you
gate 1 warp route.......desti gate

If both gates are aligned and the bubble is placed along that thread, they'll be pulled off the gate and into your bubble. It works for about 100km off of the gate in either direction.

Make sure to set up a secure container in a safe spot full of small bubbles. That way if a gang comes through, you can easily cloak up, and they may steal the bubble, but you can get more.

If any ceptor or hauler warps into the bubble, you know what to do. Ceptor MWD flaring up will let you easily lock.

Haulers will probably be stabbed to hell though, so if you're more concerned about haulers, just throw a large bubble on the gate if you can fit it. Sabre is better for hauler killing.


You may in fact be a genius. That'd let me use my favorite ship, the Rapier, kill mindlessly, and be a almost no risk. \o/ I could, literally, kiss you. If I got a friend I might even be able to kill a Nano-HAC that way, and I know the perfect place to do it too! Twisted EvilYARRRR!!

Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.02.27 06:14:00 - [7]
 

A destroyer is effective at those ranges and will shred anything frigate sized. And it's just a couple mil.

Ban Shui
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.27 07:27:00 - [8]
 

Either a Rapier/Munin for the obvious reasons or an assault missile launcher cerb.

Rexxar Civire
Unknown Soldiers
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.02.27 09:27:00 - [9]
 

For those that feel transversal is overrated and have a budget -> Harpy \o/

Terraform
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.02.27 09:28:00 - [10]
 

i vote destroyers if you feel like going the cheap route, but don't expect to kill anything bigger than frigs... oh and a punisher or an AF will eat you alive even if you unload all your guns at it..

Dreadpilot Roberts
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.27 09:36:00 - [11]
 

Try Broadsword/Devoter ... with less tank ... more alpha (not gank)

Dreadpilot Roberts
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.27 09:40:00 - [12]
 

if you want a cheaper variant ... you said you wanna spec in catching ceptors ... try the jag. Wont give away the setup but it's mostly a no-brainer. Although you have to fit a t2 disr.

Number 17
Caldari
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2008.02.27 10:59:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Delnas
Edited by: Delnas on 27/02/2008 06:11:23



Generally, I can begin locking the Cepters before they warp. The gate activate cues you to get ready, and my reaction time is extremely fast. My problem is locking time, and I think with 3 Sensor Boosters I can get 70-80% of them.


Nothing can stop a ceptor with navigation skills from insta warp from a decloak. not even another ceptor, not even with 2000+ scan resolution (easily achievable in a frig with gang bonus).
Your best choice is a interdictor, if in null sec. but judging by your comments a good crow or crusader pilot will easily pop you in your own bubble.

Dreadmuppet Four
Posted - 2008.02.27 11:44:00 - [14]
 

you need 2 bubblers, a mega fast lock ship and a sensor boost minni recon.

you set up the bubble 100k behind the gate so the inty will end up in the front then you fire the second bubble after the inty has warped so it ends up inside the 2nd bubble, then you lock fast, web and pop.

Liang's ruppy fit is excellent for the pop bit. I love TII artie ruppies

Miranda Ceres
Posted - 2008.02.27 11:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
If you have the funds = Sensor boosted Huginn with T2 Scram

Web, Scram, *pop*, loot. Rinse. Repeat.




Please don't web before scram. kthxbye. x

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2008.02.27 13:29:00 - [16]
 

Only over-confident ceptor pilots will pop by most of these setups. And confident ceptor pilots can handle themselves against these setups, or just insta-warp-out...

Without a bubble most of these setups are very unlikely to even lock a ceptor coming through a gate.

DiuxDium
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.27 16:23:00 - [17]
 

Harpy

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2008.02.28 00:38:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Delnas on 28/02/2008 00:47:59
Originally by: Number 17
Originally by: Delnas
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Nothing can stop a ceptor with navigation skills from insta warp from a decloak. not even another ceptor, not even with 2000+ scan resolution (easily achievable in a frig with gang bonus).
Your best choice is a interdictor, if in null sec.


Hmmm. Thats discouraging if true. I've never fiddled with locking time so I was hoping 1000 scan res would be enough once Ctrl+Clicking occurred.

Originally by: Number 17
but judging by your comments a good crow or crusader pilot will easily pop you in your own bubble.


In a bubble I won't be flying anything a Crow, Crusader, or blob can pop. In a medium bubble I wouldn't even be in the actual bubble with a Rapier. I don't see why you believe a good interceptor pilot will kill me based on pilots. I believe you make too hasty decisions about people. Underestimating someone is more dangerous then being ignorant.

Originally by: Diomidis
Only over-confident ceptor pilots will pop by most of these setups. And confident ceptor pilots can handle themselves against these setups, or just insta-warp-out...

Without a bubble most of these setups are very unlikely to even lock a ceptor coming through a gate.


I was hoping insta-warping, considering it is actually warping in around 2.3 seconds, could be negated with a locking time of under a second on Intercepters after factoring reaction time & ping. If 2000+ scan res won't do that, a warp disruption bubble will be required I guess.

A Cepter, however, would be unlikely to kill a Muninn at 50km. If it approached it has no transversal thus would die. If it warped to avoid dieing (and managed to warp fast enough) then the Muninn could, in turn, warp out.

This is not a high risk task. Why does everybody think I'd die attempting it? *sigh*

Brother Kharn
Posted - 2008.02.28 00:54:00 - [19]
 

thrasher, 7 280mm t2's mapc, gyro, point, sensor booster, and another sensor booster, or if you have awu 5 you can fit a mwd instead of the 2nd sensor booster.

Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.02.28 00:55:00 - [20]
 

sabre does well if the ceptor is warping towards the gate your at drop your bubble behind the gate (pilot gets disorientated to the gate) if he tries to reverse towards gate hes slowed down enough for a tackle, or sometime you can lock then coming out of warp and insta scram/web(or dual web) before they even get moving.

its not as fast as it used to be but still effective heat helps too, bring nanite paste if you plan to be there a while.

once you have killed few thing you will msot likely attract a gang, bait, etc.. so fitting a cloak aint a bad idea but messes up your lock time.

if they jump in at the gate you are at i wait to drop bubble, if bubble is up they figure mwd/align/warp will get them out but with bubble down they try and just warp off and if you drop your bubble as soon as they declaok you can stop their warp and catch them flatfooted(mwd off) .

sorry for being so wordy

Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.28 00:58:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 28/02/2008 00:59:11
A good ceptor pilot will approach at an angle ^^ come play with my stiletto a bit del Razz

you'll get one chance to pop ceptors and then they'll be in orbit, and you'll be hoping your 5 warriors or ecm drones can drive him off. I can point you with heat at 32k, and go maybe 8k+ with heat?

I think it's riskier than you think. Oh lock time scripts on a muninn are wicked fun though.

realedit: if you really wanna do this go thrasher, or even platerifter with overheated web and mwd \o/

ceyriot
Munition Delivery Services
Posted - 2008.02.28 01:01:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
If you have the funds = Sensor boosted Huginn with T2 Scram

Web, Scram, *pop*, loot. Rinse. Repeat.


EDIT - scram, web *pop*. Rinse Repeat...if you web before you scram...they warp faster..probably best way to go is have everything all nice and blinky for a wtfbbq alpha strike.

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2008.02.28 01:18:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Savesti Kyrsst
Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 28/02/2008 00:59:11
A good ceptor pilot will approach at an angle ^^ come play with my stiletto a bit del Razz

you'll get one chance to pop ceptors and then they'll be in orbit, and you'll be hoping your 5 warriors or ecm drones can drive him off. I can point you with heat at 32k, and go maybe 8k+ with heat?

I think it's riskier than you think. Oh lock time scripts on a muninn are wicked fun though.

realedit: if you really wanna do this go thrasher, or even platerifter with overheated web and mwd \o/


I think the Muninn tactic has died so I won't debate your ability to kill it. I still remember the sniper Nighthawk your Stiletto removed from existence. Of course, he was an idiot.

If I take the Rapier approach my dual 90% webbers do hit 40km so if you attempt to attack me in an Interceptor at 32km you are still screwed.

Your best bet then, as an Interceptor, will be to simply flee my bubble. I won't be cloaking due to the system I've chosen so I won't have to worry about recalibration time getting in the way. With two Sensor Boosters I should be able to catch all but the very best Interceptors. Of course, interceptors is not the only target that may be caught so I can't fit specifically for dealing with them.

Another option is a wreck on a gate, and a cloaked Manticore with four sensor boosters. Wait for an idiot to check 'Savesti's Raven Wreck' (an Ibis with an interesting name), uncloak, and kill. He won't be expecting to need to warp out so he probably won't warp out in time... and a raw alpha of 2500 should do the trick. 1000 scan res with the cloak, and no recalibration time.


Sinnbad Mayhem
Posted - 2008.02.28 01:20:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: ceyriot
Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
If you have the funds = Sensor boosted Huginn with T2 Scram

Web, Scram, *pop*, loot. Rinse. Repeat.


EDIT - scram, web *pop*. Rinse Repeat...if you web before you scram...they warp faster..probably best way to go is have everything all nice and blinky for a wtfbbq alpha strike.


Yes, ofcourse. I got distracted at work when I posted.

Scram first! Then Web!!! Arghh1!!!!!! But then again I dont usually fit points on my Rapier unless I am bored and cruising around.

And the bubble idea is a great one. If you choose this route, get yourself a T2 Thrasher. I think its much cheaper than using/losing Rapier/Muninn/Huginn. Because once the word gets out a solo ship is camping a gate they will blob you.

Happy hunting.

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2008.02.28 01:56:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
Originally by: ceyriot
Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
If you have the funds = Sensor boosted Huginn with T2 Scram

Web, Scram, *pop*, loot. Rinse. Repeat.


EDIT - scram, web *pop*. Rinse Repeat...if you web before you scram...they warp faster..probably best way to go is have everything all nice and blinky for a wtfbbq alpha strike.


Yes, ofcourse. I got distracted at work when I posted.

Scram first! Then Web!!! Arghh1!!!!!! But then again I dont usually fit points on my Rapier unless I am bored and cruising around.

And the bubble idea is a great one. If you choose this route, get yourself a T2 Thrasher. I think its much cheaper than using/losing Rapier/Muninn/Huginn. Because once the word gets out a solo ship is camping a gate they will blob you.

Happy hunting.



A blob won't cause you to lose a ship you can cloak if your paranoid about it, but I guess I would lose bubbles frequently so it may not be a cost effective plan anyway. ^_^

Perfect Diamond
Posted - 2008.02.28 02:03:00 - [26]
 

What about a smartbomb bs on the edge of a bubble. Very Happy

welsh wizard
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2008.02.28 03:06:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: welsh wizard on 28/02/2008 03:06:54
At the speed interceptors get into warp its you vs the server, not you vs locking time (and we all know how often your modules actually activate instantaneously on locking). Don't even bother without a bubbler tbh. You might get the odd plate ranis or claw at 3am (when the servers dead) but thats it.

Stuart Price
Caldari
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2008.02.28 05:08:00 - [28]
 

Harpy. Plenty of 'ceptor pilots think they can beat a properly setup Harpy.

They cannot.

Dreadmuppet Four
Posted - 2008.02.28 10:08:00 - [29]
 

bubble plus discophoon

Heikki
Gallente
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2008.02.28 12:42:00 - [30]
 

Would suggest the obvious solution, but then I realised I've just moved all my stuff (inc. lot of bubbles) to Syndicate. And DF was faster.

-Lasse
with pretty colors


 

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