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Hunter Hughes
Caldari
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.02.08 16:28:00 - [211]
 

well now that it isnt the extreme dmg/ vapor tank ship it used to be... it will definatly be the bait ship of choice for me.

Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.02.08 18:54:00 - [212]
 

bait ship?

Bait ships need tank..how can u tank a 4lowslots ship?

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2008.02.08 19:59:00 - [213]
 

hmm interesting so deimos will be even more difficult to fly..

Dismus
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.02.08 20:41:00 - [214]
 

I really can't see the logic in that change.

Here's hoping CCP gives their heads a shake and realizes how these things are commonly equipped as-is. No "improvements" are necessary... people that can't fly them properly just need to get the rocks out of their heads. ;)

ChalSto
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2008.02.10 23:27:00 - [215]
 

Bump


5/4/6 or kick the responsible dev in the ass, dear community.
Another funny thing is, if they do something good (like FIXING the ship after YEARS and PAGES of facts) they tell their names and do alot of chestbeating.
But this time u do defintly something WRONG and the community want to know ur name TO KICK UR ASS.

Arestes
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.11 01:36:00 - [216]
 


Please Please, leave the Deimos alone... I am on my knees here.

- Arestes

Dors Venabily
Posted - 2008.02.11 03:24:00 - [217]
 

Must be

Have a armor tanking ship with a useless high slot that could use medium so we take away vital low 25% of cap but give it a ACTIVE read CAP intensive bonus as the guiness guys say

BRILLIANT
Laughing

Really guys do you fly those things i mean you are the devs you should reallyknow these things
not trying to insult but pls if anyone from the dev team posts here with a logical resoning behind this pls change my mind
as of now all i have to do is
Rolling Eyes


Jetar Meintam
Posted - 2008.02.11 03:34:00 - [218]
 

After looking at the change proposal and knowing that the deimos is not a solo ship, why would CCP balance this ship to compete in a 1v1 scenario. This destroys a ship that took close to 2 years to get fixed after 50+ pages of facts and posts about a needed change, finally they got it right. The only thing people still requested was a 4th midslot. They didn't ask to lose a low or high, that 4th mid was a request. Take a hint from the community that this ships is just about right, and leave it alone. Otherwise take what these guys are saying to heart and make it 5/4/6.

Setup fitting requirements for:

5 Neutron 2's
MWD, WEB,scram, Cap booster
MAR 2, 2x Hardeners, 3x MFS 2's
REQUIRE A POWERGRID RIG TO FIT


5 ION 2's
MWD, WEB,scram, Cap booster
MAR 2, 2x Hardeners, 3x MFS 2's
FIT WITH OUT RIGS

Leave the bonuses alone as they follow this shipline properly, or give it 7.5% to 10% per level to the mwd capacitor bonus if you want to increase cap stability.

Dors Venabily
Posted - 2008.02.11 06:03:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: ChalSto
Dear CCP,

would YOU please, for the love of god, employ only
Devs, who actually PLAY the game?

Kind regards

PS: 5/4/6

Made me laugh then i realised that it might be it how about each of us buy a gtc to whoever the genius is that came up with this "boost" and teach him how to fly the dam thing pls

Laughing


Igetshotalot
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
Posted - 2008.02.11 06:33:00 - [220]
 

OMG! WTF are they drinking? I want some of that stuff!

Really how can you **** up a fine shipe like the deimos? Who in the right mind would remove a lowslot? Worst change ever! Its a shame i now get a bonus i can only use 10% of teh time. (If im mad enough and pve with the deimos instead of the ishtar which is almost never). In pvp i just fit my standard passive setup which just got a huge tank nerf. so after this change im left with less cap and less thank! Its not that a deimos is allready paper thin.. one mistake and you are toast.. nerf the friggin nanocrap first -.-

yeahyeahyeah
Posted - 2008.02.11 09:06:00 - [221]
 

Edited by: yeahyeahyeah on 11/02/2008 11:04:37
Deimos
After a significant amount of testing with the changes to the Zealot, it became apparent that the Deimos had problems compared to the other close range heavy assault ships. As the damage output is already the highest of all the HACs, we looked into boosting its defenses so it had a fighting chance. One of the main problems of actively repaired Deimos setups is the high energy requirement, so we have changed the slot layout so the Deimos can accommodate a capacitor booster.

Deimos:

* Slots: 6/4/5 (+1 med, -1 low)
* Capacitor capacity: 1625.0en (+250en)
* Bonuses:
o 5% bonus to medium hybrid turret damage per Gallente Cruiser level (no change)
o 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Gallente Cruiser level (replaces the MWD capacitor penalty reduction)

The above mentioned changes to the Deimos and Zealot allow them to better compete on even term with other close range HACs, such as the Sacrilege.


Madness, use the high slot.

How exactly will a deimos compete with a Sacrilege? mebe its range, speed and better tank?

Vehestian
State Protectorate
Posted - 2008.02.11 19:03:00 - [222]
 

please DO NOT DO THIS, I mean, ****, what's the next ship going to be that I've wasted my damn time on? Evil or Very Mad

Taguchi Hiroko
Shady Oaks Retirement Home
Posted - 2008.02.11 20:23:00 - [223]
 

bump

ccp, don't do this!

Niama
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.02.11 20:46:00 - [224]
 

The Devs responsible for the change on Deimos as a boost truly deserved to be fired for inability to comprehend the the product of the company on its basic level.

yes FIRED

As in 10 abaddons mass tachyons BBQ showFIRED

DEIMOS CHANGE IS ******ED OK ?

Thadellix
Posted - 2008.02.12 09:19:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Thadellix on 12/02/2008 09:20:20
I have to sign on with the 5/4/6 crowd.

This is by far the most counter intuitive "improvement" I've ever seen. You've got a totally useless highslot and yet you take a low slot from an armor tanker in the name of giving it more tank!?

I sold my deimos the moment I heard this change was happening.

DroneBay Diva
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.02.13 02:52:00 - [226]
 

Diomedes Aeneas > i picture the deimos like unprotected sex, a lot of bang but youre likely gonna get ****ed up

And this is the way it should be. That is the deimos' 'role'.

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2008.02.13 04:25:00 - [227]
 

The only good thing about this change is I'm determined to actually log on and fly my Deimos. No, not after the patch... before it... so I can have some good old balls to the wall Gallente blaster fun before it becomes crappy again. Then I will stuff it in a hanger somewhere far far away so I don't have to look at what it used to be.

I had even named my Deimos 'Doesn't Suck Anymore' in honor of the last patch that made it what it should have been... Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Guess I should have knocked on wood.

Mordus Operandi
Posted - 2008.02.13 04:44:00 - [228]
 

wow.. your tweeked beatstick gets changed, far from broken (damn no more suicide setup - i feel for you, not.), and everyone's up in arms.

for shame really.

if you are going to freak about something, talk about balancing amarr - who dont have drones, 50% damage bonuses, and the most powerful guns in the game.

*sigh*

Jorund Bork
V I R I I
Posted - 2008.02.13 19:13:00 - [229]
 

A bump for this thread cos this topic needs attention...

....and 5/4/6 tbh, or just leave it alone.

Captain Sonata
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:22:00 - [230]
 

6/4/5 is a nice rebalance, stop with the tears.


Laah T'Sin
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:47:00 - [231]
 

For the love of god... why change the Deimos??? Did you ever hear anyone whining that the Deimos sucks? Or that they'd like to trade a lowslot for a med cap booster that they can't fit without fitting electrons?

I can understand that someone that doesn't play EVE on TQ would think that changing the Deimos the way you're talking about is a good idea...

If you only fight on SiSi in 1 VS 1 or fights against low-DPS enemies then you might actually be better off with a repper, injector and electrons. The problem about that "wonderful idea" is that there is nearly no solo or low-DPS situations in reality. Usually you either can kill your target while your buffer tank (plate) lasts or you die. If you fight against a larger number of targets then you rather have 8k armor and no repper then 2k armor and a repper/injector you can't fit anyway so anti-gang is no argument. That also pretty much nullifies the armor rep bonus.

All I can hope is that CCP either leave the Deimos alone (no-one asked for you to mess it up in the first place!) or take away a high slot instead of a low slot (though I'd still prefer you ust left it alone).

Bad idea... pure and simple. Crying or Very sad

Trind2222
Amarr
The Red Ring
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:49:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
6/4/5 is a nice rebalance, stop with the tears.




You have no clue.

A.Is a gank ship.

You one believe in the myths that it can tank and gank if you believe that think one
more time you are probably a noob been killed to many times by a Deimos and can not defend against it gank power.

And by the way is fine as it is to day.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:49:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
6/4/5 is a nice rebalance, stop with the tears.




yes I keep hearing this *coughjojocough*.


now I ask you: why it is a nice rebalance?

Saiee Do'Arn
Nothing Personal Inc
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:55:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Captain Sonata
6/4/5 is a nice rebalance, stop with the tears.

Nothing nice in losing 2/7 dps for extreme close range gank ship (700 => 500 dps). Same as nothing nice in losing 1/4 of surveability if you gonna keep dps inplace (-eanm, -10% of em resistance).

Deimos on tranc: 5350armor, 1800+ speed, 700dps.
Deimos on test: 2500armor, 66/70 hole in em/exp, 500dps, 1500speed, ability for 100sec to repair 1000armor every 9sec.

Are you really think those changes is nice?
Deimos need more surveability, right. And with boosted ammar ships and gimped em-armor res - even more. So move 6th hi-slot to 7th low - so we can fit 800mm plate _and_ mar2 at same time?

Move 6th hi-slot to med or low. Or just leave ship as-is, eve dont need one more plex-tanking machine - anycase occator do it better...

Laah T'Sin
Caldari
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.13 20:57:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
now I ask you: why it is a nice rebalance?


It used to have a slight over-weight at the rear end of the ship. That made it tend to raise it's nose to much during atmospheric flight.
Now with the pilots puking so much at the front of the ship, it'ss "balanced" again. Wink

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2008.02.13 21:03:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Laah T'Sin
Originally by: Grimpak
now I ask you: why it is a nice rebalance?


It used to have a slight over-weight at the rear end of the ship. That made it tend to raise it's nose to much during atmospheric flight.
Now with the pilots puking so much at the front of the ship, it'ss "balanced" again. Wink


touché!Razz

Gorken
Fire House Industries
Posted - 2008.02.13 21:05:00 - [237]
 

At least I haven't trained for one yet, and am thankful that I know whats going to happen ahead of time. For those who fly the deimos already, you have my condolences.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2008.02.13 21:54:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Gorken
At least I haven't trained for one yet, and am thankful that I know whats going to happen ahead of time. For those who fly the deimos already, you have my condolences.


dunno about the rest of them, but I finished amarr cruiser 5 yesterday.Razz

Dalmont
Caldari
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
Posted - 2008.02.13 22:10:00 - [239]
 

So, I train Amarr Cruiser V, just in time to see the curse get nerfed. So, I train for the Deimos, just as I get into the Deimos it gets a 'change'. - Starting to think I should just stick to the Cerb/Ishtar, knock on wood they won't get 'rebalanced' in the near future. If the Deimos is set in stone getting 6/4/5, then at least give us some powergrid so we can take advantage of the tanking bonus! You should not be required to rig a ship to make use of it.

/sign for 5/4/6



Lee Thrace
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Posted - 2008.02.13 22:23:00 - [240]
 

well, i tried to read the majority of the posts here before posting myself.

I am a pure gallente character and have always had a love/hate relation with the deimos.
i had the most fun and success nano-ing it up and going after smaller than me targets
the ship is, at the moment, quite useless in most situations i get in nowadays, but that might be because i'm a fittings noob :p

with the changes coming, i dont really have a tendency to be using it more... or less.
it's still about as useless to me as it was, i reckon

what i would like to know is the people that are all saying that this change is good, to explain to me what is so good about this latest change to the deimos?

in my opinion i cant really see a deimos repping up in battle, alltho that is just what might change with the new bonus. especially if you put on aux nano pumps on and the sorts

just sharing my thoughts...


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