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Zepharim
Caldari
Dreddit
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:31:00 - [1]
 

Maybe this'll get me a flame or two, I don't know Laughing

I don't know if anyone else out there feels the same way, but the last thing I want to do in Eve is be required to listen to people talking, or to have to talk to them. I love to chat with text as the message stays up and you don't need to immediately respond, or constantly be paying attention. You also don't have to listen to people talking about stuff that doesn't interest you if you don't want to. I also listen to Eve Radio, or music a lot when I play.

I can certainly understand the need for voice when engaging in a very specific operation that requires commands and coordination, and I would certainly tune into voice for such an op, as long as the commander is very to the point. But it seems to me that a lot of corps require you to simply be on voice.

Another further complication is that I use the linux client, and while Teamspeak works fairly ok, Vent does not necessarily work, nor have I tried it. In fact I'm generally very inexperienced with voice. I have used it once or twice in previous mmos I've played, and have generally hated the experience.

I guess my question is, do most corps really require you to be on voice a lot? I imagine it depends on what they do. Are there many corps who really don't care if you never go on voice?

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:37:00 - [2]
 

do you have a silly voice?

people who don't like to talk on TS usually have silly voices.

Yuri VanKaer
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:47:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Zepharim
Maybe this'll get me a flame or two, I don't know Laughing

I don't know if anyone else out there feels the same way, but the last thing I want to do in Eve is be required to listen to people talking, or to have to talk to them. I love to chat with text as the message stays up and you don't need to immediately respond, or constantly be paying attention. You also don't have to listen to people talking about stuff that doesn't interest you if you don't want to. I also listen to Eve Radio, or music a lot when I play.




You're not the only one that feels that way, it's nice to have peace when online. Constantly listening to a babble of voices can be very tiring. I know quite a few ppl who don't like to use voice systems all the time, reasons varying from preferring music, children around, SO's who don't appreciate hearing one sided, non-sensical (to them) conversations for hours, to just plain not wanting to talk after doing it all day at work. Laughing

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:48:00 - [4]
 

I can sympathize completely.

I too prefer text over voice.
Back in the uni dorm days, I used to IM people sitting right beside or behind me in the room rather than turn around and talk to them, and I definetely prefer typing to my GF over YM rather than voice-chatting with her.
I guess it's the whole "you can change your mind while you try to say something, and slightly adjust the phrasing", and the definite "I said this, you said that" decisiveness of logs, I can't quite put a finger on it.
Also, I have trouble concentrating on voices and following what they're saying (especially when slightly garbled), whereas text is pretty much unequivocally what it is.
Heck, I even watch movies usually with English "hearing impaired" subtitles whenever I find them, with sound levels turned way down, almost muted... when I can't find subtitles, I usually have to crank the volume up way high to properly understand what everybody's saying.

Bottom line, for me, text>voice.

To make matters worse, the intergrated EVE-Voice works quite poorly for me (can not hear all people talking, some I hear very distorted, and so on and so forth, while they usually can hear me rather well) and slows down EVE noticeably when enabled (not much, but still noticeable), and I positiviely hate joining TS/Vent servers with any people I don't personally know in real life (privacy issues, really, not much else).
Also, the "push to speak" chat style.
What's wrong with volume activation ? I have better things to do that hold down some key/button while speaking, thank you very much.

Last but not least, I tend to have a very "oddball" schedule in life (sleeping days, being awake at night), and I don't live alone, so actually SPEAKING (as opposed to typing) is often not even an option, unless I want to hear a lot of "STFU already, I'm trying to sleep" type of angry comments from the other people in the house.
___

So, bottom line, even if EVE-Voice would work perfectly (which it doesn't) or I would use TS/Vent (which I don't), I'd still have problems understanding everybody (especially "bad English" speakers), and I'd rather TYPE my comments than speak them.

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:49:00 - [5]
 

Ah just do what I do on TS.

Mute the headset/mic, but stay around. That way they know you're there and if necessary they can poke you ingame or send a channel message to wake up, but I don't need to listen to stuff that doesn't concern me.

Waxau
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:51:00 - [6]
 

Mate, i know your pain. When i first used voice etc, i hated it. If someone told a joke, i had to LEARN to do a fake laugh, that was long enough for me to sound sincere, but not be stupidly long that i felt like a nub, holding down push to talk. Simple, but ooh so complicated. And i have a silly voice btw Wink

But give it a try. Many corps want you to be able to go onto voice, but not be on it 100%.

Archa
Caldari
Bushwhackers
Rough Necks
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:53:00 - [7]
 

In my previous First person shooter games we were also required to use voice-com. But only for very specific tasks. The rest was done through key binds.
The problem is eve doesn't have these keybinds wich makes communicating in fleet war very hard and could result in the loss of all your ships.

Therefor in my opinion pvp = voice.
If you don't pvp. you don't require voice and I only log into ventrillo when i feel like talking. When I don't want to participate in conversation or pvp i'm not logged in.

Fortunately voicecom still a choice, not a requirement.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:54:00 - [8]
 

Well, corps that PvP a lot kind of warrant a "must be on voice comms" during ops approach.
When time is of the essence rather than careful planning, voice comms can save the day.
However, if you're a fast typer, and a poor listener, the old "text only in fleet chat" might still be the better option.

Voice is definetely overrated, I'd say.
And proper writing underappreciated.
I mean, come on, when I see one of my corpies go "AOL-speak" almost constantly, it makes me want to spank the living daylights out of him.

Shurikane
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:55:00 - [9]
 

To be brutally honest, you are proper screwed if you refuse to use voice chat in any way.

Empire corps won't be too hard about it since there's little chance of something wicked coming this way. But as soon as you hit the low-sec and alliance corps, it'll be imperative to be on TeamSpeak. A loud and clear "Break, hostile in system!" is much more noticeable than a chat window flash and could potentially save you hundreds of millions of ISK in damages and repairs.

If you don't like the banter, just reduce the volume a notch and the problem's solved. But most of the time, if your corp is halfway good, it'll be better for you and for everyone to join into the chat. Forms some mighty bonds with the fellow corpies and lossens up the atmosphere a bit.

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.28 16:56:00 - [10]
 

and more importantly, you can find out who has the silliest voice.

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2008.01.28 17:08:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: ZerKar on 28/01/2008 17:16:07
I cannot speak for all Corps but mine does not require the use of Voice, EVER. I hate voice chat. I hear people running their mouth all day, I do not feel like listening to it when I play EvE. Besides, I prefer them to be IC and it is hard to play your character using Voice. It would take a bit of acting skill and many people cannot live up to that manly avatar or sexy woman (especailly with how many EvE girls I know who are boys LOL!). Even I would probably not sound like as much of a ***** as I look, though catch me at a bad time maybe...

I have only been in one other real Corp and they used Vent but did not require us to do so. So I guess it is a matter of shopping around, if you hate voice just hook up with a Corp who will not force you to use it and problem solved.

Also I find that Voice tends to slow my computer down and quite frankly I type faster than I speak sometimes and with a lot more clarity. I can type "Abaddon 65KM 12!" a lot faster than say "Target that Abaddon sitting at 65 KM off your 12!" and my Mates know to scan Chat and always keep it open. So there is really no advantage even in PvP to use Voice. It depends on how clear, rehersed, and efficient you are in the use of your communication tools. Especailly with how laggy EvE can be at times you have plenty of time to type or read unless you do both very slow.

Zepharim
Caldari
Dreddit
Posted - 2008.01.28 21:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: ry ry
do you have a silly voice?

people who don't like to talk on TS usually have silly voices.


If anything my voice is rather suave :P It's other people that I'm worried about ;)

Thanks for all the responses, I guess I'll see how things go. I identify with what Akita T said a lot. I do also keep strange hours hehe. It will all depend on how I want to play eve in the end it seems.

Chris31miller
Frozen Salvation
Posted - 2008.01.28 21:50:00 - [13]
 

I didn't read through every response posted but I agree with the OP. My corp does require you to be on TS when online. But they also understand that everyone doesn't like to listen or have it on all the time. We have have multiple channels. Away, Listening to music, sleeping(hmm, why be on TS when sleeping but???), AFK, Holla if needed. Now any of the mods can drag you to a channel but most will either jump into that channel and give you a holler if something is up of throw up a request in the chat channels. I would talk to you CEO and request a "call if you need me" channel that will enable a quick response to get online. Once again I did not read all the replies so if it was mentioned above, I appologize.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:08:00 - [14]
 

It is good to see I am not the only one who loathes exaggerated use of voicecomms. Sure, they are a neccessity for actual combat, where a short time between order and universal reaction is of utmost importance. For these circumstances I willingly use voice as well.

But so many people I meet also do planning sessions on voice, or when in a gang the target system is only mentioned in voice and I remain clueless since I have no idea how that garbled name I barely heard could be spelled correctly...

It would be so much more practical to just do those things in chats, seeing how speed is of no importance and afk/inattentive people can catch up on the related information, and there will be logs for further review.

Sometimes I am really getting the impression that reading/writing is just too intellectually challenging for some people. While I guess for me, speaking/listening to a foreign language is too physically challenging.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:13:00 - [15]
 

I don't know many corps that require people to be on voice chat at all times. I personally wouldn't join such a corp either, as there are other things I like to do as well as playing EVE. Of course, it is sometimes nice to stick around on TS and chat every now and again. Basically, as long as you're willing to at least listen in on voice comms during a PvP operation, which I believe you are, you'll be fine. Other than that, it's rare that you'll have any actual requirement to do it.

Ellan Thrace
Caldari
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:18:00 - [16]
 

In our corp we'll use it when it is really necassary (0.0 freighter convoys for example) but in general I don't like it and neither does most of our corp. It really ruins any immersion and RP you might be trying to enjoy. I look forward to the day when we have sound processing sophisticated enough to make the voices sound the way you want them and to add some nice ambient sounds to really make something like voice chat improve the immersion.

Issler

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:21:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/01/2008 22:24:51
Originally by: Akita T

Last but not least, I tend to have a very "oddball" schedule in life (sleeping days, being awake at night), and I don't live alone, so actually SPEAKING (as opposed to typing) is often not even an option, unless I want to hear a lot of "STFU already, I'm trying to sleep" type of angry comments from the other people in the house.



I can fully understand this being in a similar situation.

However, being in a pirate corp means Vent is a absolute must. However, I don't have problems communicating over text to people who are communicating on Vent, unless they're idiots who don't have fleet pinned above (or below, whatever) their local. I swear I'm going to start podding these people ;P

Chat can be a bit clearer anyway since there's a fair number of people who don't respect Vent discipline (one of the things I hate the most is 'warp to me' - who the feck is me? Say your bloody name). I swear I'm going to start podkilling people over such things.

I do want people to be on Vent at all times, though. Stick in another channel if you don't want to listen, but if someone needs your support immediately, well, logging into Vent takes a bit, and w/out Vent you won't hear orders.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:29:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 28/01/2008 22:31:47
Originally by: Akita T

What's wrong with volume activation ? I have better things to do that hold down some key/button while speaking, thank you very much.



Listening to people breathing, eating, yelling at family members, etc is what's wrong with voice activation. I don't want to hear sound from people unless they intentionally press a button, indicating that they actually are intending to communicate over voice comm. It's not that hard to set up a push-to-talk key that's convenient, like a button on your mouse, etc.

To be fair, a properly set up volume level and activation threshold will solve some of the above problems (hearing people breathing, for example), but not all (yelling at family members/roommates).

Fanjita
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Zepharim
Maybe this'll get me a flame or two, I don't know Laughing

I don't know if anyone else out there feels the same way, but the last thing I want to do in Eve is be required to listen to people talking, or to have to talk to them. I love to chat with text as the message stays up and you don't need to immediately respond, or constantly be paying attention. You also don't have to listen to people talking about stuff that doesn't interest you if you don't want to. I also listen to Eve Radio, or music a lot when I play.

I can certainly understand the need for voice when engaging in a very specific operation that requires commands and coordination, and I would certainly tune into voice for such an op, as long as the commander is very to the point. But it seems to me that a lot of corps require you to simply be on voice.

Another further complication is that I use the linux client, and while Teamspeak works fairly ok, Vent does not necessarily work, nor have I tried it. In fact I'm generally very inexperienced with voice. I have used it once or twice in previous mmos I've played, and have generally hated the experience.

I guess my question is, do most corps really require you to be on voice a lot? I imagine it depends on what they do. Are there many corps who really don't care if you never go on voice?


i dont know of any corp that requires that you be on ts every moment of time your logged into eve and if one suggests you have to dont join them simple as.

Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
Posted - 2008.01.28 22:35:00 - [20]
 

When in potentially hostile space, voice communication saves those precious seconds which determine who lives, who escapes, and who fries.

Most voice communication programs have the option for 'push to talk'. That, combined with an amplified mic setting can make it so you don't have to wake the roomies during the small hours. (and get yelled at)
Even having the audio channel open gives you access to information, even if you don't ever speak a word. (And do you really want to waste time when a corpie starts screaming for a hauler for the loot that just dropped in a crowded area?)

ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
Posted - 2008.01.29 07:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ellan Thrace
In our corp we'll use it when it is really necassary (0.0 freighter convoys for example) but in general I don't like it and neither does most of our corp. It really ruins any immersion and RP you might be trying to enjoy. I look forward to the day when we have sound processing sophisticated enough to make the voices sound the way you want them and to add some nice ambient sounds to really make something like voice chat improve the immersion.
Issler


Actually that technology already exists. We have the technology to make you sound like anyone or anything perfectly or even have a computer speak perfectly. It has been around for awhile now. Maybe when EVE is on the Super Computer CCP will think about implimenting it but right now they have an obvious load of other things to contend with.

That does bring up another reason I do not use it though. I have DL'ed all the EvE music and play it on an MP3 player so I can hear the good rocking tracks during fights instead of that overrated elevator music that always plays, so unfortunately I would be hard to hear lol. I am NOT turning my music down damn it!

SiJira
Posted - 2008.01.29 17:32:00 - [22]
 

make your own corp and your own rules maybe?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.01.29 17:33:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 29/01/2008 17:34:18

Originally by: ry ry
do you have a silly voice?

people who don't like to talk on TS usually have silly voices.


It's true! Laughing

But then you got the ones with an irritating voice that won't stfu! Mad

aQurio
Quasar Inc.
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.01.29 17:55:00 - [24]
 

The biggest problem i have with TS, EVE speak is the crazy look i get from the wife and friends talking to people in a game. Very Happy

DOC PIC
Posted - 2008.01.29 18:04:00 - [25]
 

I'm deaf so I dont use voice coms Wink


 

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