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xxxak
Caldari
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:01:00 - [1]
 

I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Gamesguy on 18/01/2008 09:02:08
Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


Zealot doesnt have a drone bay either, and the sacriledge have a mega huge 15m3 of drone bay.Laughing

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:03:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


Zealot?

-Liang

Ogron
Blood and Thunder
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:10:00 - [4]
 

[rp]

Caldari don't deserve drone space any more than those filthy slaves the Minmatar.

[/rp]

Also EvE != EvEMon.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:11:00 - [5]
 

Long range ships need no drones.

StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:22:00 - [6]
 

problem is, the Cerb does 1 thing better than a drake, and thats its a better HAM platform.

Thats short range, but with the range bonus it gets, the HAMS end up being VERY flexible, and then it DOES need a drone bay.

its a total JOKE that the cerb does not have a drone bay.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:26:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


apparently the same reason zealot doesnt have one :(

Firkragg
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:31:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Riho
Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


apparently the same reason zealot doesnt have one :(


Strangely the omen does though. Id hump ccp if they gave back my 3 light drones for the zealot.

Lux Exterior
Corp 42
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: StickyFingerz
problem is, the Cerb does 1 thing better than a drake, and thats its a better HAM platform.

Thats short range, but with the range bonus it gets, the HAMS end up being VERY flexible, and then it DOES need a drone bay.

its a total JOKE that the cerb does not have a drone bay.
Actually the cerb is better as an anti intie/drone boat, fast and lightly tanked with precision lights, therefore not needing a drone bay. The drake is an over tanked low damage range spammer with the agility of a dread in siege, who watches while his gang mates die screaming then dies last heroically!

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.01.18 09:42:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


apparently the same reason zealot doesnt have one :(


Strangely the omen does though. Id hump ccp if they gave back my 3 light drones for the zealot.


also the caracal has a drone bay :P

Fifth Horseman
Posted - 2008.01.18 10:01:00 - [11]
 

The day I can fit a cap injector in the lowslows is the day I will give a damm what ships Caldari have come up with.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.01.18 12:10:00 - [12]
 

These ships seem specifically tuned for long range combat; seems like a good enough reason.

Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's
Posted - 2008.01.18 12:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Fifth Horseman
The day I can fit a cap injector in the lowslows is the day I will give a damm what ships Caldari have come up with.


A freed up midslot? Yes please! I'd take that over any dronebay mumbo jumbo.

Leeluvv
The Black Ops
Posted - 2008.01.18 16:17:00 - [14]
 

What use is a Drone at 200 km?

Lee

Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The humble Crew
Posted - 2008.01.18 16:22:00 - [15]
 

Nerf Cerberus! It shouldn't be able to use missiles if I have more SP in drones!

(Yes, I am being constructive today)

Ban Shui
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.01.18 16:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Leeluvv
What use is a Drone at 200 km?

Lee


What use is a sniper eagle at 20km?

Drones would be nice, but friends would be nicer :P

Trevor Warps
Posted - 2008.01.18 16:37:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: xxxak
I was looking at EVEMON and I see the Cerb/Eagle are some of the only HACs not to have a drone bay. WTF? How is that fair?

So... its slower than other HACs, AND it doesn't have a drone bay?


It think it has something to do with the fact that it is a kickass missile platform, which hardly misses and also got a variety of T2 missiles types to ruin about any ship class day.

I dont think drones would help him that much ... ppl would just fit ecm drones or something.

Captain Schmungles
Caldari
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
Posted - 2008.01.18 18:38:00 - [18]
 

Cerb and Eagle do not have a drone bay because they are supposed to be sniper cruisers. With good skills (and an officer or deadspace sensor booster) a Cerb or Eagle can hit at 200km. No other cruiser has that kind of range. If you want a drone bay on a sniper ship fly a Rokh or fly a Navy Caracal (with its whopping 15m3 of space...).

Sean Faust
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
Waterboard
Posted - 2008.01.18 18:42:00 - [19]
 

The Cerb, like all t2 ships, was designed with a specific role in mind. In its intended role, drones would be completely and totally useless. All Caldari combat ships are designed around one basic strategy: Being able to effectively deal damage from absurdly long distances away. They make a lot of sacrifices, such as in their DPS, to be able to do this. The folks behind CCP feel that if you want to be doing other things than long range sniping, then you'd best be training up another race. I'm sure that if a dev were to reply to your post he'd tell you to train up Amarr for a Sacrilege as that is really the only HAC designed to do what you want to do with one.

That is what t2 ships are all about: specialized roles. Pick one that was designed to do what you want it to do, and you'll be fine. Try and make one do what it wasn't intended for, and you'll have a lot of work trying to make it work and it'll never be 100% effective in that role.

Ulstan
Posted - 2008.01.18 18:49:00 - [20]
 

Eagle is a (mediocre) long range sniper. As such, drones wouldn't work so well.

The cerberus on the other hand...there's a reason not many people do 'sniping' with missiles. The cerberus seems like it might be better off with HAM's or precision lights - in both of which cases drones would be somewhat useful.

OMGJITA
Posted - 2008.01.18 19:10:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ulstan
Eagle is a (mediocre) long range sniper. As such, drones wouldn't work so well.

The cerberus on the other hand...there's a reason not many people do 'sniping' with missiles. The cerberus seems like it might be better off with HAM's or precision lights - in both of which cases drones would be somewhat useful.[/quo minus - the eagle comment.

this.

Wardeneo
Gallente
BLL Wise Guys
Posted - 2008.01.21 13:41:00 - [22]
 

this q is easy, cerb is a long range missle spammer like the caracal, and with heavy missles nad top skills u can get 190km missle range - how are u gona use drones at 190km?

wardeneo

Kykio
Caldari
The All-Seeing Eye
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.01.21 14:12:00 - [23]
 

Drones would be usefull for self defense.Even if you use those ship for long range, there are some cases when an enemy comes close enought to be in drone range for example gates or enemy tracklers.I see no reason not to give them drone bay ,the t1 variants have drones. So if you say drones won't be any good for these ship, then giving them drones wont make any differnce(for you).

Oh and muninn has drone bay, it is a long range ship too,I can say same type an use as zealot, so give drone bays for both or none of them.

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.01.21 14:13:00 - [24]
 

I tend to agree that the reason lies in the fact that they, like most Caldari boats, favor fighting at long range. And if I'm not mistaken the Cerb has been around far longer than the HAMS, so the idea that you'd get something that sprays missiles at relatively close range (doorstep range really for the Cerb) didn't come up during the design process.

While I will grant that the cerb is one of the slower HAC's out there, it IS one of the few that can actually do damage when running around at breakneck speed (though the Sac is probably a bit better at this overall in spite of it's shorter range)

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2008.01.21 14:49:00 - [25]
 

because all races and ships are differnt.

Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2008.01.21 14:50:00 - [26]
 

and they use easymode missiles.

Derek Sigres
Posted - 2008.01.21 15:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Steve Hawkings
and they use easymode missiles.


This one confuses me. . . I'll grant missiles make missions easier (or faster really) but how exactly are they "easy mode" especially given that it's only been recently that the missile strengths have been exploited fully (E.G. being immune to the launching ships speed in damage calculation as an example, or the fact that Caldari Battleships now have a solo worty weapon system)?


 

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