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Hitme Harder
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.01.14 00:55:00 - [91]
 

Brilliant way to break a gatecamp, wow.

Jonny Damordred
Gallente
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.01.14 01:04:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Keorythe
I wish I had a fleet of anonymous posters to spam propoganda like SF does. Rolling Eyes


Since when has SF used anonymous posters to spam? They do quite well with their mains.

Cheers,
Jonny D.

Blitz'Krieg
Caldari
10010011001
Posted - 2008.01.14 01:54:00 - [93]
 

I have no experiance in stealth bombers myself but did you think about using bombs? Are they even viable these days? I was under the impression that 50 bombs would make a hell of a bang.

Djuma Nihilist
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.01.14 02:33:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Snakester
Edited by: Snakester on 14/01/2008 00:47:37
So, your KB now shows losse's from all your allies now?
from your own KB battle summary,

Battle Statistics
Kills: 35
Losses: 55
Damage done (ISK): 988.32M ( of which 384m was from the 4 UL ships)
Damage received (ISK): 468M
Efficiency: 67.86%

with friendlys numbering 62 (some hostiles counted in there too)
and enemies numbering 91 (again some of your guys counted in there, and the UL gang u killed).

add to this your alliied mates deaths, it should work out u lost more. (but u somehow never ever account for your allies dying (are they just cannon fodder we ask?)).

Stats from -7- kb could be used to show another veiw ofc.

Battle Statistics
Kills: 53
Losses: 20
Damage done (ISK): 569.4M
Damage received (ISK): 234.9M
Efficiency: 70.79%

but thats just -7-'s kb, doesn't really count, as we like to count in our friends loss's and even offer them reshipping, in system.

Even tho, i thought it was an excellent tactic, lag was unbearable for me, my game had been running nearly 23 hour's, and i had forgot to relog/clear cache, turn puter of for a nice fresh start.







In the words of bloody "holy virgin" Mary : Come again?

Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar
Illiteracy Combatants
Posted - 2008.01.14 02:58:00 - [95]
 

"Arazu's".... I will never understand why people tend to think ALL plurals are made with " 's "... "ship's"? "illiterate's"? "group's"? "fighter's"?

Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:01:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Centra Spike on 14/01/2008 03:02:11
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
I have no experiance in stealth bombers myself but did you think about using bombs? Are they even viable these days? I was under the impression that 50 bombs would make a hell of a bang.



50 bombs would be one hell of a bang, but they are expensive; fill a very, very limited role; and are hard to use in that large of a scale. Also, most people have trained for cruise missiles and few have trained for bombs.

Also, I wanted to add, I had a LOT of fun flying on this op and assembling/naming a lot of the bombers.

Snakester
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:14:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Djuma Nihilist
In the words of bloody "holy virgin" Mary : Come again?


So what didn't u understand about my post then?. I was just trying to point out that Jade always claims SF kill more "Tonnage" then they actually loose, ignoring the fact that her allies losses are never ever taken into the equation because SF KB don't show there losses.Plus that battle report is not 100% acurate because of the UL kills on it which nearly add up to 40% of total isk loss.
Until CCP implement an ingame killboard we can all access which shows complete kills/losses, we will never know the exact amount, now will we?.If u wanna get all technical about it, i can say my corp is doing rather well with a 92.63% efficency. SoBAM have killed alot my "tonnage" than JF has done to us which = we win.

Snake.



Renosha Argaron
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:26:00 - [98]
 

Yet more "LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG" winded, mind numbing propoganda from jade, not that i would expect anything less,Laughing

Firstly, where you got the notion that Sev3rance was on its knee's, that is just more mind blowing Bulls**t as well you know it, the fact that we lost a couple of corp's during this war is negligible to say the least, and as i recal UK also lost a couple of corp's as did SF loose some members, but nice spin on the true fact's as always jade....i truely did'nt expect you to stick to facts anyway, fairytales seem to be more your thing, ...well on the eve-o forums at least.

You can hide your lies behind as many long winded post's as you like jade, but at the end of the day you know it's mostly lies and spin to make SF look better than it really is,i give you props for being a good PvP corp, but as soon as CVA war dec'ed you, you left the area and subsequently left UK to there own demise, Your constant attempts to gain support and play one alliance off against the other is well noted, as is your reputation for twisting the truth, but i found most of what you said laughable as always.

For those people who actualy believe half of what jade is telling you, then you are being manipulated and being fed rhetoric and propoganda from Ms Constantwhine (as s/he has come to be known)and the SF spinn doctors,... so my advice would be to take what jade tell's you with the pinch of salt it truly deserve's, she may be a good story teller i grant you, but that's exactly what they are, storys,...fable's to try and justify her personal vendeta against an allaince that made her look foolish....even at the expense of her own, and UK's corp members.

I sympathise with UK and SF members for getting so involved with such a megalomaniac, This war is personal for jade and nothing more than that....to be noticed for your wall's of text with the "Look at Me" "Please Pat me On the Back" spin on each and every post you make is just sad, but if it works for you then go for itWink

Anyway the fight go's on, so im prepared for yet more lies and gibberish from your camp jadypoo's....lol....your roleplay fight with a non Roleplaying allaince will no doubt get you the attention you crave so badly.Very Happy

Heartfelt Regards....lol

RenoshaVery Happy

Lorna V
Minmatar
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:32:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Djuma Nihilist
Originally by: Snakester
Edited by: Snakester on 14/01/2008 00:47:37
So, your KB now shows losse's from all your allies now?
from your own KB battle summary,

Battle Statistics
Kills: 35
Losses: 55
Damage done (ISK): 988.32M ( of which 384m was from the 4 UL ships)
Damage received (ISK): 468M
Efficiency: 67.86%

with friendlys numbering 62 (some hostiles counted in there too)
and enemies numbering 91 (again some of your guys counted in there, and the UL gang u killed).

add to this your alliied mates deaths, it should work out u lost more. (but u somehow never ever account for your allies dying (are they just cannon fodder we ask?)).

Stats from -7- kb could be used to show another veiw ofc.

Battle Statistics
Kills: 53
Losses: 20
Damage done (ISK): 569.4M
Damage received (ISK): 234.9M
Efficiency: 70.79%

but thats just -7-'s kb, doesn't really count, as we like to count in our friends loss's and even offer them reshipping, in system.

Even tho, i thought it was an excellent tactic, lag was unbearable for me, my game had been running nearly 23 hour's, and i had forgot to relog/clear cache, turn puter of for a nice fresh start.







In the words of bloody "holy virgin" Mary : Come again?


Is it that complicated, Djuma? What he's saying is you can make it look like you did better than you did by ignoring all the losses your allies took. Say for example, I was in another alliance's 20 man fleet, and got on 10 kills before all 20 of our ships were lost. Well, my own alliance would show 10 kills to 1 loss, and a FAIL would look like a win for my alliance. You can decide for yourself how that does or does not apply here because God knows I can't be bothered to actually read another of Jade's walls of blah, blah, blah...

Lorna V

The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:48:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Renosha Argaron
but as soon as CVA war dec'ed you, you left the area and subsequently left UK to there own demise


Simply a lie and so ridiculous that I can hardly believe I am seeing it. The Ushra'Khan know the truth. The efforts to which certain people go to try and divide SF and the U'K from one another tells a story all of its own.

Cosmo

Renosha Argaron
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.01.14 03:59:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 14/01/2008 04:04:26

Oh please cosmo, you know it is not a lie, and for you to accuse me of lying is rich, im not the one writing this fabrication, jade is,...if you wanna talk about lie's, then you just have to look within your own corp.

Although i find your loyalty to jade admirable, its also very misguided, blind loyalty is just as bad as telling the lies yourself, you know what this war is all about as well as i do, and you know UK are pawns to jade to be played with and discarded when it suits.

Im not gonna get in to a smakfest with you about this, these are my views on what is an open subject for all to take part, im just being honest in the face of so many lies and will tell it like it is, if you like what i have to say or not.

Regards

RenoshaVery Happy

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2008.01.14 04:08:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Oh please cosmo, you know it is not a lie, and for you to accuse me of lying is rich, im not the one writing this fabrication, jade is,...if you wanna talk about lie's, then you just have to look within your own corp.

Although i find your loyalty to jade admirable, but its also very misguided, blind loyily is just as bad as telling the lie yourself, you know what this war is all about as well as i do, and you know UK are pawns to jade to be played with and discarded when it suits.

Im not gonna get in to a smakfest with you about this, these are my views on what is an open subject for all to take part, im just being honest in the face of so many lies and will tell it like it is if you like what i have to say or not.

Regards

RenoshaVery Happy


Bitter much ? ....Rolling Eyes

The Cosmopolite
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.01.14 04:12:00 - [103]
 

How SF could have killed enemy shipping in the Sev3rance pocket on every day since the CVA war dec up to and including the day of the attack on the Ushra'Khan towers; how the SF/U'K and allies stealth bomber operation could take place; how we could remain active in the pocket and outside it, in combat with the CVA, alongside U'K pilots; how all these things could be so and how your remark cannot be a lie, I simply fail to understand.

The claim I highlighted is a lie, nothing more. We did not abandon our friends and allies, the Ushra'Khan, and we will not abandon them. No amount of wishful thinking on your part will make it happen.

Cosmo

Renosha Argaron
Caldari
IronPig
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.01.14 04:16:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Oh please cosmo, you know it is not a lie, and for you to accuse me of lying is rich, im not the one writing this fabrication, jade is,...if you wanna talk about lie's, then you just have to look within your own corp.

Although i find your loyalty to jade admirable, but its also very misguided, blind loyily is just as bad as telling the lie yourself, you know what this war is all about as well as i do, and you know UK are pawns to jade to be played with and discarded when it suits.

Im not gonna get in to a smakfest with you about this, these are my views on what is an open subject for all to take part, im just being honest in the face of so many lies and will tell it like it is if you like what i have to say or not.

Regards

RenoshaVery Happy


Bitter much ? ....Rolling Eyes



lol..iv nothing to feel bitter about.....how about you?....lol


Jkol0
Gallente
Mad Bombers
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.01.14 05:47:00 - [105]
 

Im sure Severance thinks they faired perfect, or so you would like everyone to believe, but ive seen how many losses severance took in the time that UK and SF decided to blockade KBP. Not that we got many chances to kill people from severance in kbp or nearby there, since you guys hugged your pos. The only time i've ever seen Severance come out in anything more than a few ratting ships or shuttles to try and ferry between systems is when your allies came in in groups of 30 or more, and even then i saw Severance come out mostly in the 100+ gangs of Cva, Paxton, Sylph, Cold steel, Pie.... any other allies of Severance.

Id like for Severance to try and talk about SF and UK having more losses when Severance has a big gang to boost them while UK and SF have a small gang to fight that, and still manage to get plenty of kills off of that bigger gang.

IMO UK and SF have done a fine job with what they had and id love to see someone try and prove otherwise and call it a FACT!

And Please don't sit there and try and call others some of your 3rd grader names since they where worn out ages ago for everyone here.

Jkol0

Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:01:00 - [106]
 

Nice report Jade.

Some comments if I may ....

First up, when U'K planned our part in this op we had 1 goal - to break sev3rances sov. We wished to get rid of that damn cyno jammer and create 30+ days of cap ship play ground for our own pilots and anyone else who wished to take advantage. For us it was taking our Burn Providence campaign to the next level - sovereignty harassment, guerrilla war with POS.

We timed it with Tri hammering CVA cos any fool knows with CVAs backing a holder alliance in Providence becomes very hard to assault at POS level and the chances of taking sov reduce to zero.

Plan worked, CVA get nicely distracted, we put up our deaths stars with minimal fuss, a week later sev's sov is broken. How many times has that happened in Providence of late? Goal achieved, from my operational perspective anything else from here on in was a bonus.

Second, the reality Sev faced (and still do) was without CVA to save their asses they were going down. Fortunately for Sev at the crucial moment Tri returned North and CVA came to rectify the situation in force. This was expected (CVA have a habit of tenaciously defending their space) and allowed us to attempt to pull off our second on-going goal of baiting CVA cap ships to death.

Sure we failed, but it was a very enjoyable attempt. I was manning POS guns at the time and seeing those bombers appear against CVA's impressive cap fleet was one of the best things I've been a part of for ages. Its truly inspiring to see pilots hurling themselves in against the odds regardless. Ballsy stuff.

Props to all sides for keeping it smack free.

PS The cyno jammer is still down for another couple of weeks. Cool

Tabouli
Caldari
Phantasm Industries
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:01:00 - [107]
 

you know why this is the first time someone has jump bridged stealth bombers on top of someone

it's because it's a really dumb idea

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:16:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Oh please cosmo, you know it is not a lie, and for you to accuse me of lying is rich, im not the one writing this fabrication, jade is,...if you wanna talk about lie's, then you just have to look within your own corp.

Although i find your loyalty to jade admirable, but its also very misguided, blind loyily is just as bad as telling the lie yourself, you know what this war is all about as well as i do, and you know UK are pawns to jade to be played with and discarded when it suits.

Im not gonna get in to a smakfest with you about this, these are my views on what is an open subject for all to take part, im just being honest in the face of so many lies and will tell it like it is if you like what i have to say or not.

Regards

RenoshaVery Happy


Bitter much ? ....Rolling Eyes



lol..iv nothing to feel bitter about.....how about you?....lol




What would I have to be bitter about ?.


Nek Tuomatta
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.14 06:36:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Renosha Argaron
Originally by: Conlin


Bitter much ? ....Rolling Eyes



lol..iv nothing to feel bitter about.....how about you?....lol




What would I have to be bitter about ?.




1. CVA and Severance tore apart your conventionals and will continue to do so
2. CVA and Severance smacked down all 7 of your POS in providence
3. You have no foothold in providence, for the second time
4. You're reduced to accusing others of what bitterness you're currently feeling

Kai Zion
Amarr
Elysium Wing
Posted - 2008.01.14 07:45:00 - [110]
 

I find it pretty telling that one side can happily admit their defeats and weaknesses and yet still hold their heads high because they had fun. All whilst the other side is busy nitpicking and getting butthurt over every single possible point they can, no matter how small, even feeling the need to point out defeats and weaknesses that have already been admitted in the very first post and subsequent others.

It's pretty clear who the "bitter" ones are and what group is still having fun - even as they try something others would deem impossible.


Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2008.01.14 08:45:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Kai Zion
I find it pretty telling that one side can happily admit their defeats and weaknesses and yet still hold their heads high because they had fun. All whilst the other side is busy nitpicking and getting butthurt over every single possible point they can, no matter how small, even feeling the need to point out defeats and weaknesses that have already been admitted in the very first post and subsequent others.

It's pretty clear who the "bitter" ones are and what group is still having fun - even as they try something others would deem impossible.




Just for you Nek , read it , digest it and rethink your next reply before you join the rest in this topic .
The day our pos,s were coming out of reinforced we had almost a 70 man gang .
And there was nothing but humour and laughing on our comms . That sounds more to be people enjoying themselves than bitterness to me , even down to the last shot fired in KBP.
One last thing .... who the hell are you ?.
What a brazen-fac,d varlet art thou ...


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.14 09:36:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Conlin
Originally by: Kai Zion
I find it pretty telling that one side can happily admit their defeats and weaknesses and yet still hold their heads high because they had fun. All whilst the other side is busy nitpicking and getting butthurt over every single possible point they can, no matter how small, even feeling the need to point out defeats and weaknesses that have already been admitted in the very first post and subsequent others.

It's pretty clear who the "bitter" ones are and what group is still having fun - even as they try something others would deem impossible.




Just for you Nek , read it , digest it and rethink your next reply before you join the rest in this topic .
The day our pos,s were coming out of reinforced we had almost a 70 man gang .
And there was nothing but humour and laughing on our comms . That sounds more to be people enjoying themselves than bitterness to me , even down to the last shot fired in KBP.
One last thing .... who the hell are you ?.
What a brazen-fac,d varlet art thou ...




I actually think Kai wasn't referring to UK/SF with this but then maybe I read it wrong Wink

Olavane Riftsnake
Amarr
Madison Industrial Co.
Posted - 2008.01.14 09:56:00 - [113]
 

Good use of covert cyno and bombers.

Respect.

Xennith
Caldari
Imperial Logistics and Supply
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:00:00 - [114]
 

I agree with Hardin on this one... (cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!)


Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:17:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 14/01/2008 10:18:21

I think the key word in Conlin's post was 'Nek'. In other words Conlin was agreeing with Kai's post. Just a guess ...

Kai Zion
Amarr
Elysium Wing
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:23:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Kai Zion on 14/01/2008 10:24:48

To Hardin,

When I'm referring to this specific conflict and speaking of one side taking on a task many would deem impossible and well...daring to dream, I'm not sure how you could conclude that I was talking about anyone other than SF and their allies.

I say "this specific conflict" because it's certainly true in my eyes that CVA dares to tackle seemingly impossible tasks themselves, but that's in other conflicts at other times. That's not something I'd want to take away from your guys, I respect both sides for going about such things with their own method and equally admirable fervour.

Anyways, I was generalising in my post to be honest. Posts like Viktor Abyss' and others show that the Jade wasn't posting entirely in vain and mutual respect is possible. My point still remains however, many people on the defending side are not doing themselves any favours by showing nothing but pedantic contempt for their enemies. Particularly when such enemies have managed to (in typical iconoclastic style) go against the grain and admit their weaknesses as much as they push the case for their own strengths and achievements. When one side can speak of areas they need to improve upon and the other can only leap on that and ramble on about it as if it wasn't even mentioned previously, all without eating even a crumb of humble pie themselves...well, it tells me that they in fact are the "bitter" ones.

I'll leave it at that. Much respect to those people on both sides who can (here's the ammunition for your one-liner, dear random goon) rise above the pettiness and enjoy themselves. Smile

Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:47:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Jkol0
IMO UK and SF have done a fine job with what they had and id love to see someone try and prove otherwise and call it a FACT!


Well, as a personal view I think that both U'K and SF are doing well with what they have in space. That's not to say there isn't room for improvement, but that could easily be said of any organisation out there - including CVA.

What I personally dislike is this habit of Jade's of always throwing obvious spin into any debate. Take this thread for instance: It is supposed to be an AAR. But for some odd reason Jade just can't omit making it an obvious spin thread instead: Severence sucks and they are breaking up etc, etc, etc.

This is just Jade's style I guess. She has been doing the exact same thing (under one name or another) in every conflict SF and the Amarr Loyalists have been involved in since my pilot license in EvE.

I guess it has something to do with the way we individually perceive EvE. I would like for my enemies in EvE to throw everything they have at me to the best of their ability according to whatever strategy they find best (and me throwing whatever I have in the opposite direction). Regardless of who would win that conflict we would all have a lot of fun in the process.

Jade's style of play is more like getting into the sandbox and then start throwing sand in everyones eyes until they leave. Her idea seems to be that if she's the last pilot in EvE she's also automatically the winner of it all.

Fortunately for EvE, the people she fight have a lot of fun playing regardless of Jade's continous attempts to ruin the game experience for them. Consequently her forum behaviour is seen (at least to me) as a minor nuisance that can generally be ignored.

Incidentally, this is also why I personally have such a high regard for U'K. Even if they have lost A LOT to CVA over the last year and even if there are obviously a lot of bitterness about the way RP has evolved U'K as an organisation tend to stick to the high road. I know of very few organisations that will stick to it throughout, even suffering the looses and setback suffered by U'K. I can only hope that if CVA is one day in a situation similar to that of U'K that I'll be able to behave myself as well as these guys generally do.

To get back to the AAR: Although I wasn't there, I find that the concept used by U'K/SF was potentially brilliant and the execution less so. Much like the british display of tanks at Somme in 1916 it has the effect of revealing a new and dangerous weapon to the enemy without making any gains by it whatsoever. I simply cannot see this as anything but a failure.

But as has been pointed out: If it was fun then I guess that's not a big concern.

Kai Zion
Amarr
Elysium Wing
Posted - 2008.01.14 11:00:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Jade's continous attempts to ruin the game experience for them.



With this remark, you're guilty of the very thing you accused another of, in fact even more so. You made some good points in there, but you too have thrown in some obvious "spin" to push your own agenda, implying that SF is out to ruin anyone's game experience. I really hope you don't genuinely believe that's what driven them day in day out for the last 4+ years. There's a difference too, between you and your enemies in these posts.

Jade/SF spins to to imply Severance was falling. That's their own interpretation of the facts at hand. That's fair play political gaming and psyops, if you ask me.

You just spun to imply SF is out to ruin people's game. That's an entirely different, and less interesting/respectable type of political play/psyops, if you ask me.

I really will leave it at that now. SF can speak for themselves, they don't need some random, irrelevant third party doing it for them. Wink

Laerise
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.14 11:00:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Laerise on 14/01/2008 12:28:04
Edit1: Removed post, I think I'll leave the flaming to someone else Wink

kincajou niten
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.14 12:22:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Kai Zion
psyops


Most of us like straight and honest opponent (like U'K, or TRI, or CI or any other major group who were invanding our space) and don't like spinning and lying opponent who is openly admit they are doing "psyops" (like SF) - only because of that anything such opponent says should be doublechecked.

Now, when the fight ended, field looted, it's nice to see opponent's GF in one form or another. In the case of SF, it's not GF, its generally 'we are uber, you all suck, we win'.

Again, with every major conflict we've been in, there were people on both sides throwing mud at the other side, but the leaders always told their members to stfu and go fight. Sadly that's not the case with SF. It might not look so for the outsiders in this thread, but to understand you would need to read everything SF posted since we had our first contact with them.

With all that in mind, people from SF - please don't be surprised you see we treat you like you treat us.

As to the stealth bombers - interesting concept but to implement it properly you would need to outnumber your opponent, in which case you can just bring the regular fleet. And even if you would have succeeded in downing one/two of our dreads you'd still loose ISK wise overall if you take price of 7 fully fitted towers into account.

GF goes to U'K. :-)

All of the above is imho. And sorry for bad english if it's offends anyone.


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