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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:04:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Bishop Stewart
This is my first posting in this forum.
And it is a rant. Good start, eh?

So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame.
Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground.

How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy?

What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general.
Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above.
Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs.

Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject.



CCP are very explicit and up front about one major - I would say core aspect of EvE: non-consensual PvP.

That means that you can, despite your motivations and wishes, find yourself in a situations where you can be forced to fight. It's as much a part of the game as being tackled is a part of football.

If you don't like being tackled, then candidly, you're playing the wrong game. I'd go so far as to say not only is non-consensual PvP possible, not only is it likely, I would say that it is by far the most frequent kind of PvP in EvE.

Wardecs are a mechanism whereby NON-CONSENSUAL PvP can occur in hi-sec space. That's the ONLY reason for a war-dec. If CCP merely wanted to allow consensual PvP, then the gang mechanism or can aggro mechanism provide for that very well.

Evading a wardec by recycling your alliance perfectly fits the definition of an exploit: "An unintended use of game mechanics to gain advantage". CCP never intended for this to be possible, and now that iMune have brought the situation to a head, they have closed the loophole.

Now your options are:

Man up and fight
Pay up and make peace
Join an alliance that actually wants you, not just your war-dec
Quit.

LifeLines
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:06:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Bishop Stewart

How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy?



none. or only you. no wait. not even you. yeah.

you fail at ranting

id say 3/10.

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:08:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
OP fails hard.

If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp.

If you don't like this, EVE is not the game you are looking for etc.

Obviously there are going to be people who I would describe in a diplomatic fashion as 'somewhat lame' who will go around fighting only opponents far weaker than themselves. This is an inevitable result of the freedom in EVE. If you want a game with less freedom, go back to <game> etc.

And, its never griefing.



ur sigs = WIN!!!!11!11

Saladin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:10:00 - [34]
 

EvE is the sort of game that attracts people with bloodlust or some hidden desire to bully others. I understand how you feel, but CCP is not likely to change this any time soon.

So its clear to me from your post that you don't have much pvp experience. Thats not a big problem. You guys have obviously spent a lot of time resource gathering, so maybe just agree to their demands and pay them what they want - However if you guys want to grow a backbone, now is a good time as any. If you guys choose to make a stand, you will find plenty in the EvE community willing to offer advice and assistance. Don't let your gaming experience be held hostage, and definitely don't let the non-constructive replies in this thread run you out of the game.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:10:00 - [35]
 

The things you own end up owning you.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy?


If there's one thing Eve has proved time and time again, it's that for every weepy carebear that quits after being ganked, three badass griefers step up to take his place. Quit if you want to, but rest assured you will not be missed as long as this game's population continues to grow.

Why not use your masterful command of that rich Eve economy to hire some mercenaries to defend you? Recirculate some of your carebear earnings into that economy instead of sitting on your hoard like a frightened hen.


Istvaan's post strikes crybaby perfectly for wrecking damage to his ego.
You lose lock as Bishop Stewart's account begins to unsubscribe.

Heroine Bambi
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:19:00 - [37]
 

Not surprised this happened, and honestly, whatever. War is fine the way it is imo. If a corp gets decced, they can still join some hardcore PvP Alliance and those guys get a free war to fight. You simply can't leave that Alliance for the remainder of the war.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:23:00 - [38]
 

F'ing whiners Rolling Eyes

Matalino
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:24:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
this
and
this.
don't like it?
this.

an image is worth 1000 words.
Crumplecorm's sigs are worth 1000 replies.
Razz
Actually I think that this one is far more appropreate, followed closely by this one.

Now if only we can get a little of this. Laughing

Lucy Light
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:27:00 - [40]
 

lol

just like life hey?

how many people are calling it quits because other better prepared people get their jobs?

eve is open warfare. it always was.. accept the risks or dont play eve.

Troye
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:31:00 - [41]
 

Cyberbullies? awww Laughing

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Bishop Stewart
This is my first posting in this forum.
And it is a rant. Good start, eh?

...stuff...

Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject.



I think I lost brain cells reading this.

I mean, I'm a carebear, and I can fully understand the whole war mechanic without whining. To come play a game where PvP is supposedly a central feature of the game and then complain about that feature...

erm, to be diplomatic about it...it's less than a good idea.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:41:00 - [43]
 

lol @ OP. If you want to stay wardec free, cozy and safe under Concords warm feathers do as I do and run your corp from the npc corps. Pen and paper are a damn fine substitute for the in game corp interface mate. Only thing I can't do is run a war or drop pos/outpost but wtf do I need to do that for anyways? Wink

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2008.01.10 21:55:00 - [44]
 

This thread is only missing the guy with the spoon fixation


Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:01:00 - [45]
 

So i wardec newish corps, I have also lost ships to them.
(ok i know i fail)
But seriously, the reason why we play eve is to shoot at other people. Notice the two Ms in MMO, that means Massivly Multiplayer. Not 'my own little world that i sometimes let people play in but you cant hurt me because your butterfly cannon does no damage'. For that i suggest you find a MOLWTISLPPIBYCHMBYBCDND- ORPG.

and the OP should go to wow.

Khatred
ReallyPissedOff
Guinea Pigs
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:08:00 - [46]
 

While I can't say I agree with the OP, the decision is bs. Another decision made by the ear and probably influenced by the forums. When people were dodging my wars (not with this character) by leaving corporation and reforming, it was ok (altough it should have not been). Now war dodging it's again not ok. No spine to stand up to one decision, once and for all?

Ivan Hablovi
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
The Church.
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:11:00 - [47]
 

I guess, new players who want fast and easy income, with none risk, SHOULD NOT LEAVE NOOB CORP. People who dont want to PEWPEW, go back to NOOBCORP, there they are safe from harassing "cyberbullies".

Simple as that.

Stop whining.

Trof
Gallente
Griffin Inc.
Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:15:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Trof on 10/01/2008 22:18:46
If you have not read this here is a link that has some helpfull advice/tatics for dealing with issue.

Linkage






Snowcrash Winterheart2
Gallente
Concordia Discors
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:18:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp.


Shall I queue up a "NPC corp *****ing thread" or shall you?

Raem Civrie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:20:00 - [50]
 

This change is like 3 years late.

Also, what Istvaan said.

Windryder
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 - [51]
 

Okay so if us Carebears dodge a wardec by Alliance Hopping is an EXPLOIT but when Hi-Sec Grief-Dec'ers engage us and then CORPORATION HOP to avoid retaliation it is NOT AN EXPLOIT?

Oh FFS CCP either get some consistency or just GET RID OF CONCORD already! Its not like us carebears can "Peacedec" someone to stop them blowing people up.

Heres my Petition from October on this very subject:

5-Oct-2007 06:28

Is it considered an exploit to engage a high-sec war-target (in high-sec), then dock and immediately move yourself to a neutral corporation to avoid further engagements? Or is such a use of the game mechanics considered fair play?
Windryder

5-Oct-2007 06:29
HI,

This is not considered an exploit.

Best regards,
GM Tacgnol
EvE Online Customer Service Support

Zian Tzu
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:25:00 - [52]
 

or buy X3, no seriously, and before you say it, I do believe X3 is going MP

Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:33:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
OP fails hard.

If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp.

If you don't like this, EVE is not the game you are looking for etc.

Obviously there are going to be people who I would describe in a diplomatic fashion as 'somewhat lame' who will go around fighting only opponents far weaker than themselves. This is an inevitable result of the freedom in EVE. If you want a game with less freedom, go back to <game> etc.

And, its never griefing.


And if too many players stay in NPC corporations now, the whiney griefers will whine again until CCP nerfs NPC corps...


NeoTheo
M'8'S
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:35:00 - [54]
 

dont wanna get war dec'ed ?

----------> NPC corp.

Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction
N.A.S.A
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:51:00 - [55]
 

Couldn't have happened sooner. Nice work CCP.

Burn in hell carebears!

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.01.10 22:51:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Lazuran
And if too many players stay in NPC corporations now, the whiney griefers will whine again until CCP nerfs NPC corps...
But CCP will never do it, as the explicit purpose of NPC corps is to let people avoid wardecs. Ans so, carebears win, legitimate PvPers win, and true griefers lose.
Great success.

Except for the whiners who already unsubbed.
But there's no use crying over every mistake.
People keep on joining so the game must be great.
NPC corpers can hide, and wardecs are fine, for the people who are still subscribed.
And believe me I am still subscribed.
And when the whine ends I'll be still subscribed.
Still subscribed.
Still subscribed.



Also, I've never seen as many links to my sigs in one thread as there are in this one.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.01.10 23:04:00 - [57]
 

Quote:
And if too many players stay in NPC corporations now, the whiney griefers will whine again until CCP nerfs NPC corps...


That idea has been proposed and shot down in flames.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.01.10 23:09:00 - [58]
 

Could you please go over to the BF2142 forums and start a rant on how there is no honor in shooting someone in the back or when he's down?

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.01.10 23:16:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Except for the whiners who already unsubbed.
But there's no use crying over every mistake.
People keep on joining so the game must be great.
NPC corpers can hide, and wardecs are fine, for the people who are still subscribed.
And believe me I am still subscribed.
And when the whine ends I'll be still subscribed.
Still subscribed.
Still subscribed.


Marry me? Embarassed

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.10 23:20:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Except for the whiners who already unsubbed.
But there's no use crying over every mistake.
People keep on joining so the game must be great.
NPC corpers can hide, and wardecs are fine, for the people who are still subscribed.
And believe me I am still subscribed.
And when the whine ends I'll be still subscribed.
Still subscribed.
Still subscribed.


Marry me? Embarassed


/me sings the song with new lyrics.


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