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Seimor Jeneet
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:21:00 - [1]

Hello again guys!

Me and a friend are VERY interrested in setting up a moon mining POS in one of our nearby 0.0 systems. Our alliance already has sovereignty so we should be able to put up a POS np right?

Ok, so!

We don't know ANYTHING. And with ANYTHING i mean ANYTHING. or well ok, i know how to online modules, set passwords, put in fuel, set up the pos and so on.

Some info about us so you would easier be able to answer my questions:

I can fly a Retriever and i can mine ice. we have an ice field in our home system. My friend can only fly an osprey though.
we can both fly a small hauler with about 10k m^3 in each. and i can fit a cloak.
My alt can fly a freighter in 20days.

But my questions are:

#1 First: do we need a general hauler or a freighter to get out the POS?
#2 How many money are involved? would 400mil isk do the trick? or?
#3 Which modules do we need? I mean ofc we need a control tower but which? and can we afford a medium/large one? And which moon mining arrays do we need?
#4 What skills are involved? What skills are needed for probing the moons and how is it exactly done?
#5 How much could we earn on it? and would it even be worth taking some time off the ratting to get some fuel for our POS? (i make about 20mil/hour while ratting)
#6 Do we need guns and so on our POS when its in deep friendly alliance space? will rats attack it?

Thats about it atm.

Hoping to hear from you!

- Seimor & Serana

Lumpy McUglyface
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:33:00 - [2]

Firstly, you should scan the moons you're intending on exploiting. You'll need a scan probe launcher and some moon scan probes (Discovery, quest... etc).

In order to mine the mineral itself, you'll need at least a silo and a moon harvesting array, which easily fits on a small tower.

A harvester produces 100 of the mined mineral per hour (16800 per week).

NPCs will not attack your tower.

I'm pretty sure the rest of your questions can be answered by using the market browser, and info tabs.

Razz XXX
Vashta Nerada Corp
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:56:00 - [3]

1) Couple of general haulers will do, we had 1/2 month worth fuel start off with.

2) Go faction tower with right ice for your area. Save billions down the road. And buy BPC's manufacture them yourself and save.

3) Upto you what can handle in mining ice.

4) Anchoring

5) So far for me POS it's money pit, one lab this, more fuel, another lab, more fuel etc...

6) Guns would be good. Why make yourself easy target? And no rats will not attack your POS.

Use the test server do dry run of launching pos and trying out anchoring, online and so on...

United Brothers Of Eve
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:29:00 - [4]

Edited by: Dedaf on 10/01/2008 12:36:33
If you are only thinking about moon mining the you first need to find a moon with good enough material to both pay for the fuel bill and still have extra to make profit, which isnít easy around empire, but itís a bit easier out in 0,0.

A small amarr tower can run 2 harvesters and 2 coupling arrays, and thatís it. Then there are only about 60-70 CPU left, which isnít a lot.
Caldary type towers is a bit better with more CPU grid.
Again if you only want to mine then donít bother with bigger towers than small, or the tower will eat the profit away with the fuel use. And since you are planning on setting it in alliance space, then its not a big deal about defense, its will just eat the profit.

2) I cant remember the exact price of the small tower, but its around 100mill I think, so if you only plan to use 400mill then that should cover a small tower.

About mining ice, in my opinion I wouldnt bother about mining Ice for fuel unless you are a big gang, because if you are only 2 of you mining and hauling, then most of your online time would be spend on nothing but ice mining.

3)Depending on what type of material that are at the moon and type of tower the one Moon harvester I and 1 silo/coupling array pr material. But, if you use a small tower, then donít bother with silos, because you most likely wont have enough CPU for it.

4) mostly anchoring lvl1 is needed but I think some structures need lvl2, but its not a big deal.

5) again depending on moon material, from wasting money and up to over 2bill a month.

6) also this depend on the material if you find the really good material then of cause you can install a L tower and defend it like crasy, other vice just forget about the guns, since you are in alliance space.

Try out my POS calculator, it will answer most of your questions I hope.

Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:31:00 - [5]

Edited by: Reachok on 10/01/2008 21:03:50
Soooo many questions!! Laughing

Try this link as well, it should answer a lot of your questions:

Seimor Jeneet
Posted - 2008.01.10 13:32:00 - [6]

thanks alot for all the nice answers!
I really appreciate it.

keep them comming !

VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
Posted - 2008.01.14 04:41:00 - [7]

Edited by: Eclip on 14/01/2008 04:41:45
I'll give ya a piece of advice determine what u are doing with ur POS b4 u put it down and plan plan plan. decide if ur gonna be making intermediate reactions or advanced reactions POS's require alot of hauling. Hauling fuel to the pos as well as materials and hauling the processed materials away again. if ur in a remote area then u mite want to think about how u are getting it to empire where most of the ppl that use advanced materials live.

POS's can make lots or very little depending on how u set it up. They can become a sink of isk if u dont think it out properly and get it happining properly. Finding the moons isnt usually that hard to get some reactions happining. a good rule i ahve found that for a single advanced reaction tower u are looking at around 550mill start up to drop it with some guns and the full reactor setup (large tower non faction).

The minerals in the moons u find can make you anywhere form -ve isk per hour to up to 12 mill an hour if u find a dysposium moon. Its more about passive income. ie touch it for 1-2hrs a week and it makes say 100 mill profit for ya or more. so u can continue ratting like normal etc.

POS's are passive income on the small scale. U can full time pos react and mine and have no time for anything else and make a killing but the more pos's u ahve the more time u need to tinker with them and get them right.

If u need any specific advice on setups etc throw me a hoy and i'll see what i can do for ya.

PS fuel for a large tower is around 50-60 mill a week.

PSS if u cna buy the fuel tis so much easier and u will make more money buy ratting and buying as u will form mining it urself.

La Dudette
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.01.14 10:18:00 - [8]

Edited by: La Dudette on 14/01/2008 10:17:41
Word of advice for you: hauling will kill you if you're not prepared.

If you're in 0.0 you need a jump freighter or rorqual, or you will give up. If in empire, get a freighter. Make sure you can operate if war is declared on you.

Posted - 2008.01.14 10:37:00 - [9]

Originally by: La Dudette
Edited by: La Dudette on 14/01/2008 10:17:41
Word of advice for you: hauling will kill you if you're not prepared.

If you're in 0.0 you need a jump freighter or rorqual, or you will give up. If in empire, get a freighter. Make sure you can operate if war is declared on you.

That's made me think (rare, I know) - Can you use a rorqual to Launch POS components / Haul them?


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