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Gailyn
Posted - 2008.01.09 20:35:00 - [1]
 

After a particularly unpleasant evening in EVE last night, I thought it wise to seek out a bit of wisdom from the EVE community so that I can make an informed decision as to continue playing the game or not.

Over the Christmas Holidays I downloaded the free 14 day game trial, and enjoyed what I saw quite a bit, so just the other day I fired up the account and converted it to a paying account in hopes of progressing up the food chain a little bit. Over the course of 3 weeks or so I’d played quite a bit and managed to upgrade first to a decent Frigate, then to a Destroyer, and finally I’d managed to scrounge enough cash together to purchase and equip my first Cruiser. Man, I thought I’d gone to heaven, it just looked so cool out flying around in this big monster. And I’d finally gotten access to my first Level II agent, so off I went with high hopes if bigger foe and fatter riches. And as luck would have it, my second or third Level II mission had me flying out into some Low Security (0.4 rating I believe it was) region. Unfortunately, I’m writing this from work, I can’t provide the name of for anyone that’s actually interested. Now, I’m three, maybe four weeks into the game, and I understand that Low Security region means be on your toes, that you could encounter other real life players who might not take so well to your playing in their little part of the universe, but imagine my luck when three of these little pecker woods warped in on top of me while I was already engaged with half a dozen frigates as part of my mission. One of them Warp Scrambled me (yea, I’d seen that equipment on the Market so had some idea of what that meant) and another appears to hit me with some type of targeting disruption, as I don’t think I ever managed to actually land a shot on any of them, despite tagging one with a Stasis Webifier to slow him down, nor could I get far enough away from them to break free of the Warp Jammer despite the use of both a good Propulsion Overdrive and a good Afterburner (>500 m/sec velocity).

So, about a minute after all this starts, my cruiser comes apart at the seams, scattering its self to the far reaches of the universe, when I get a tell from one of these self-induced eunuchs something to the effect of ‘10 million for your pod’. And I’m thinking to myself “You just blew the hell out an 8 million credit Cruiser and either scrapped (or laid claim to, as I don’t really know how PC loot rules work yet) a solid 8 million worth of onboard equipment, and NOW you’re asking me for 10 million credits” ??? Three or Four weeks into the game ??? Right. Will ya take a check ???

Now I’m sure that these three dysfunctional degenerates probably had a good reason for ganking a newbie. Perhaps they were harassed by the girls on the playground that day at school, or maybe the jocks gave them crap in the locker room, or maybe it’s the only way they can come up with to feel macho while sitting in front of their double wide trailer, sipping Budweiser and watching their neighbor’s dogs fornicate in their front yard after a long hard day of working at the chicken factory. Whatever the reason, I’m sure it was an important event in their lives, one that they’ll brag about to their friends for weeks and weeks to come, while the rest of the world quickly forgets, or simply never had reason to know, their real life names.

All of that aside, I’m left with the decision of essentially starting over, or simply moving on to greener pastures, and thus, I have need of knowledge from you, the more experienced player base.

Part 2 to follow.....

Gailyn
Posted - 2008.01.09 20:35:00 - [2]
 

How much of the game world is “Low Security”, where this type of excitement can happen at any time, and how much of it is higher security, where it’s less likely to happen ?

Within “Low Security” regions, is newbie ganking the way of the universe, or was I just fortunate enough to have these three dim-witted stooges happen upon me and want to prove to the universe just how studly they think they really are ?

Is it possible to find decent paying Missions (of whatever Level) located solely within the higher security regions so that dealing with the likes of these three is totally unnecessary ?

Is there an easy means of grouping up with other decent people and running the same missions at the same time in order to not pose such an inviting target of opportunity for those simply out to screw with anyone they can ?

And finally, to the three underachievers that got me last night, I can only say….I’m sure you make your momma and daddy SO proud of you. Talk about a missed opportunity for the world to have benefitted by the direct application of birth control.

Humbly and respectfully…..

Gailyn

Jantix Shafalcon
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.01.09 20:50:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Gailyn
How much of the game world is “Low Security”, where this type of excitement can happen at any time, and how much of it is higher security, where it’s less likely to happen ?


Much of the game world is 0.0 security, but you never have to go there if you don't want too.

Originally by: Gailyn
Within “Low Security” regions, is newbie ganking the way of the universe, or was I just fortunate enough to have these three dim-witted stooges happen upon me and want to prove to the universe just how studly they think they really are ?


Going into low security space without doing the proper recon work to determine what kind of people are present in local will usually lead to certain death. Eve is not a friendly game, if you make a mistake you lose your ship, simple.

Originally by: Gailyn
Is it possible to find decent paying Missions (of whatever Level) located solely within the higher security regions so that dealing with the likes of these three is totally unnecessary ?


Yes, it is very possible. But in my opinion if you do so you will probably get bored with Eve and quit, its much more fun to figure out how to cheat death and earn the higher rewards of low security and 0.0 space. But thats just me, there are people content to mine and run missions in high sec for their entire time in Eve.

Originally by: Gailyn
Is there an easy means of grouping up with other decent people and running the same missions at the same time in order to not pose such an inviting target of opportunity for those simply out to screw with anyone they can ?


Find yourself a good player corporation to join and enlist help when you go to low sec.

Originally by: Gailyn
And finally, to the three underachievers that got me last night, I can only say….I’m sure you make your momma and daddy SO proud of you. Talk about a missed opportunity for the world to have benefitted by the direct application of birth control.


I would be real careful here.. you were the one that clicked "Ok" when the warning popped up about entering low security space. And then were surprised when you got blown up. Next make sure you know what you are getting yourself into. You shoot NPC's for isk and fun, those 3 shoot other players for isk and fun.

FuzzBuzz
Caldari
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:00:00 - [4]
 

I dont get how noobies think carebear. doesnt make sense, anyone who plays game were you kill other people if its single or multiplayer and come to eve and become a carebear just doesnt make sense (not saying you have gailyn), why does killing another person in a game make you a scum bag, i dont understand it one bit.

Again, why does killing someone in a game that gives you the option to and promotes the killing of ships make you a scumbag?

Did you expect to be imortal in this game that promotes the distruction of ships?

Again CCP fail in documenting there game. The best thing ccp could do is tell every new player. THE FORUM IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF THIS GAME.

Player guide, pfft what a joke.

Melor Rend
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:01:00 - [5]
 

btw. he asked you for 10mil ISK to spare your pod (in the hopes you had implants in your clone which would make a pod-kill cost you anything between a few 100k ISK to 2-3bil ISK). Thats called ransoming someone. Of course it wasn't such a great plan with such a new character.. but I guess you could always be someones alt with the ISK for +4 imps (and then the 10mil would already be worth it if the pirates honor the agreement).

ViolenTUK
Gallente
Demolition Men
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:01:00 - [6]
 

What you describe is a risk in low sec. You need to be expecting it. You may find it beneficial to stay in high sec in your early days. You can run missions from level 1 right through to level 5 in high sec space.

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:08:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Neon Genesis on 09/01/2008 21:10:05
Originally by: Gailyn

Now I’m sure that these three dysfunctional degenerates probably had a good reason for ganking a newbie. Perhaps they were harassed by the girls on the playground that day at school, or maybe the jocks gave them crap in the locker room, or maybe it’s the only way they can come up with to feel macho while sitting in front of their double wide trailer, sipping Budweiser and watching their neighbor’s dogs fornicate in their front yard after a long hard day of working at the chicken factory. Whatever the reason, I’m sure it was an important event in their lives, one that they’ll brag about to their friends for weeks and weeks to come, while the rest of the world quickly forgets, or simply never had reason to know, their real life names.



I'm switching off here. Try and take an objective attitude. These players are playing the game exactly as it was intended, and you weren't prepared for their attack. You're calling them all sorts of names here but really you're the immature one who isn't equipped to deal with virtual loss.

Also, three weeks and only level two missions and a cruiser?

EDIT: Just read the second part again. You are a massive whiner and I'm 100% sure you won't take anything contructive off of any of these replies.

Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:11:00 - [8]
 

Don't run combat missions in low sec, it is a complete and utter waste of time and energy.
Don't mine in low sec, you can't make enough ISK to make it worth it at present (this was not always the case).
Ratting is marginally worth it if you are careful, but not really.

The only things lowsec is good for are:
a) tormenting the carebear pirates who can't manage to make a living in 0.0.
b) complexes/hidden belts/etc in 0.1

Wait until you can get to 0.0 and go play there ... at least you can make enough ISK to feel like you come out ahead - even if you can, in reality, make way more ISKies in high sec as a solo/small group player.

Cheers,
Ruf.

Theo Samaritan
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:14:00 - [9]
 

eve is a dangerous place. if you dont like this, sorry, not for you.

Ivan Hablovi
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
The Church.
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:15:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gailyn
How much of the game world is “Low Security”, where this type of excitement can happen at any time, and how much of it is higher security, where it’s less likely to happen ?


"Empire" is filled with alot of lowsec systems, and those are inhabited with people from Pirate corporations and also there is some "not so hostile" lowsec systems which are surrounded with highsec systems, which basicly makes the system "safe" from roaming pirates who have their security rating so low that they cannot enter those systems with ship.

BUT, in Eve-online the possibility to pirate some1 usually makes even the carebear to think twice for doing such evil act, just bein being able to do it. Opportunity makes a thief so to say.

Also in Highsec there is alot of Suicide ganking, which is a pest in highsec trading. Alot of pirates make alts just for sole purpose to suicide their ships to Concord, but still killing their target to get their loot. Its a profession amongs many others, so be aware.

On yout question about how much is highsec, and lowsec, I honestly cannot say, eve universe is so vast, that its kinda irrelevant info.

Originally by: Gailyn
Within “Low Security” regions, is newbie ganking the way of the universe, or was I just fortunate enough to have these three dim-witted stooges happen upon me and want to prove to the universe just how studly they think they really are ?


No, its called PIRATING. and you were RANSOMED for your pod, to save your implants. Its a profession to many, like myself.


Originally by: Gailyn
Is it possible to find decent paying Missions (of whatever Level) located solely within the higher security regions so that dealing with the likes of these three is totally unnecessary ?


Yes

Originally by: Gailyn
Is there an easy means of grouping up with other decent people and running the same missions at the same time in order to not pose such an inviting target of opportunity for those simply out to screw with anyone they can ?


Yes, but you will be a more juicy target for professional Pirates, as they will just kill you all, and ransom everyone you bring with you. So either dont do missions in lowsec, or be prepared to lose your ship to pirates, or just plain old PVP freaks who wont even ransom, or give you a honorable chance for your pod, rather just want to see nice explosions.

Originally by: Gailyn
And finally, to the three underachievers that got me last night, I can only say….I’m sure you make your momma and daddy SO proud of you. Talk about a missed opportunity for the world to have benefitted by the direct application of birth control.


Oh, I dont think they are trying to make their parents proud. they wanted your ISK, and your modules from the ship. ALSO they are probably thrill seekers such as I am. And dont be a bitter emo, just gather yourself and continue your journey on eve. You will be losing more ships in future, be prepared for it. And I will give you 1 free advice, do not put all your eggs in 1 basket, as once the basket is smashed, you will cry and whine even more than you have already.

Originally by: Gailyn

Humbly and respectfully…..
Gailyn


Sorry for missing the respectful part of the post YARRRR!!

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:18:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Melor Rend
btw. he asked you for 10mil ISK to spare your pod (in the hopes you had implants in your clone which would make a pod-kill cost you anything between a few 100k ISK to 2-3bil ISK). Thats called ransoming someone. Of course it wasn't such a great plan with such a new character.. but I guess you could always be someones alt with the ISK for +4 imps (and then the 10mil would already be worth it if the pirates honor the agreement).


as a once pirate, then pirate hunter, and now allaince fleet member these player were the scum of eve.

1st mistake: they didn't ransom you when you still had your ship.
2nd mistake: They didn't check info and see the players age, making him unprofitable.

if you don't pirate for profit that makes you scum.

and yes scum are part of what makes eve fun but this was too much.

I would advise going deeper into low sec. There is a low sec system called hrokkur, which has level 1 through 4 missions.
there are also good corps down there that will protect you.

join the MOLDEN INTEL channel

it is updated by players showing you what corps to set to red what players to advoid and where it is safe to mission and kill rats.

Also then ask about joining a corp that is part of the union forces. then you'll have people to run missions with and you'll have back up to call on if your attacked.

there may be other union forces but the ones I know for sure are down in hrokkur and the surrounding systems.

maybe even come into 0.0 with Foundation someday :)

but yeah you'll be safer in low sec in some areas, it's just the systems that get you INTO low sec that are full of noobs that don't know how to make money off of pirating.

what were they expecting to make off a new player?
I can't believe they randomed you lol :P

trumansho
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:19:00 - [12]
 

i agree with rufus. low sec/0.0 is a waste of time. the kill happy turds have enough to do without giving them another target.

just find a system with a few agents ya can do so if you have to decline a low sec mission, you have another agent you can fall back on.

Max Nero
Endless Fury
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:20:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Max Nero on 09/01/2008 21:20:01
Every time someone makes a thread like this, God kills a kitten...

Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
Sebastien LeReparteur Corp
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:20:00 - [14]
 

PVP is a big part of this game. Even "Safe empire" is dangerous.

- This is a either adapt or quit Eve thing. Eve is a MMO and the multiplayer is the important part. While there is fun to have soloing most of the game happens in gang.

- Missions and Explorations are good money but after a while you get bored. Also keep your stuff insured when in Unexplored area(i.e. New to some missions or region of space).

- Frigates may be cheap and look small but we did kill a few BS in a small 3 guys gang.

- At first you may think hem low scum bag (I know I did) but eventually you will be in the same chair and look for the kill trill trust me. There is so much fun in the hunt. ;)

Also don't be afraid to go back in the local and ask what where you ship weakness and all... Those "pirate" are often pretty cool gang to hang out with, just be insured and ready to loose a few frigs. There are some real mean guys but allot are just looking for PVP. I used to hunt the smae guy over and over and after each kill (me or him) we would say "Hi" and "good fight"

But all and all Eve IS about the kill even the market is about the cutting and money power.



An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:20:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
b) complexes/hidden belts/etc in 0.1


Anything exploration related just depends on high sec/low sec/0.0. Whether it is .4 or .1 doesn't make a difference.

Feek
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:21:00 - [16]
 

Credits?

FiNAL FiGHT
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:23:00 - [17]
 

Gailyn - First off - welcome to EvE. It's a harsh environment. The little pop-up warnings you get in EvE are not the stuff of Microsoft... you will want to pay attention to them as a newer player. And believe you me - as harsh of an environment is EvE ingame - the forums are even harsher. I wouldn't look for sympathy of any sort here.

Your loss, while unfortunate for you, should not be a crippling deathblow.

My advice would be to take a look in the recruitment channel, and see if you can join a decent corp. Running missions with others can be safer, more profitable, and fun.

Whatever you decide - good luck.

Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
b) complexes/hidden belts/etc in 0.1


Anything exploration related just depends on high sec/low sec/0.0. Whether it is .4 or .1 doesn't make a difference.


Hmm, not in my experience .... though it may just be the way it worked out ... I get harder rats the lower sec the complex system. Not explored in 0.0 yet so cannot comment on that.
Cheers,
Ruf.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:51:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Gailyn
moving on to greener pastures
This

o/

Kolwrath
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:51:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: FuzzBuzz
I
Again CCP fail in documenting there game. The best thing ccp could do is tell every new player. THE FORUM IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT THE MECHANICS OF THIS GAME.

Player guide, pfft what a joke.


Yeah I would like to quote this one as it is a very good point.
CCP documentation is crap. The only way noobies learn about things such as this is by making a mistake and loosing everything they own.

To calm the trolls:
Yes the whole situation was legit.
Yes the OP made a mistake.
Yes the pirates did what they do best.
Yes the pirates were kinda silly to ask 10 mill from a new char.

And

Yes CCP really dosent help the noobies out much. You pretty much have to come to the forums and toll them for 3 months before you really start to understand how things work. They are making improvements for the new player experience ... but they still have a long way to go.


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:56:00 - [21]
 

I think the best thing they could do would be 1 week into the game an NPC is spawned in a mission that waro scarmbles you and kill you.

and you do nothing to stop it.

staged PvP death.


MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.01.09 21:57:00 - [22]
 

to op

when being killed click on something like a station in system so it appears on your slectived item window.

then spam the living hell out of the warp to button.

you'll always make it out.

Dr Kojak
Mortis Angelus
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:06:00 - [23]
 

Gailyn m8 - you are joking right??

If not you should follow thislink.

Dr Kojak
Infinitus Odium

Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
Sebastien LeReparteur Corp
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:07:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 09/01/2008 22:09:58
Originally by: MotherMoon
to op

when being killed click on something like a station in system so it appears on your slectived item window.

then spam the living hell out of the warp to button.

you'll always make it out.



QFT - Except in 0.0 where there can be bubbles, scrambler field and interdictors

Gailyn
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:07:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Neon Genesis


.....you're the immature one who isn't equipped to deal with virtual loss.

Also, three weeks and only level two missions and a cruiser?

.....You are a massive whiner and I'm 100% sure you won't take anything contructive off of any of these replies.


<ROFLMDAO> Neon Genesis...you really don't have a clue do you ? You found no sense of humor as I recanted that story and asked honest questions from a new player perspective ? You found only whining ? My how you need to walk away from the computer and interact with real people face to face just a little while.

Thank You to Jantix, Rufus, Ivan, and a few others for taking the time to actually answer my game play related questions and also Thank You to MotherMoon, Sebastien, Final Fight and several others for taking the time to provide some constructive advice about how to make the most of the game.

And you are absolutly correct Final Fight...surviving in EVE IS easier than getting a "glad you chose to play our game over all the other crap out there" feeling from these forums...not just this thread...but in scanning hundreds of them over several days now. Makes me wonder how anyone expects to maintain an influx of new players into what appears to be an opently hostile player environment, and no, I'm not referring to the PvP aspect of the game.

Again, thank you to all those that chose to actually reply with something constructive.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:07:00 - [26]
 

If it were me that had killed you, I'd have found the kill worth while just because of this post. This is like food for starved pirates. The more you smack and threaten and call names, the more pleasure the pirate derives from killing you.

Don't ever stop smacking.

ViolenTUK
Gallente
Demolition Men
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ki An
If it were me that had killed you, I'd have found the kill worth while just because of this post. This is like food for starved pirates. The more you smack and threaten and call names, the more pleasure the pirate derives from killing you.

Don't ever stop smacking.



Never talk to pirates.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
b) complexes/hidden belts/etc in 0.1


Anything exploration related just depends on high sec/low sec/0.0. Whether it is .4 or .1 doesn't make a difference.


Hmm, not in my experience .... though it may just be the way it worked out ... I get harder rats the lower sec the complex system. Not explored in 0.0 yet so cannot comment on that.
Cheers,
Ruf.


Since it is so random, it is pretty easy for people to see these patterns, since due to luck it can hold true. But it is easiest to notice in profession sites, as their names say Hi-Sec, Low-Sec or Deep Space.

Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
Sebastien LeReparteur Corp
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:13:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Gailyn
Originally by: Neon Genesis


.....you're the immature one who isn't equipped to deal with virtual loss.

Also, three weeks and only level two missions and a cruiser?

.....You are a massive whiner and I'm 100% sure you won't take anything contructive off of any of these replies.


<ROFLMDAO> Neon Genesis...you really don't have a clue do you ? You found no sense of humor as I recanted that story and asked honest questions from a new player perspective ? You found only whining ? My how you need to walk away from the computer and interact with real people face to face just a little while.

Thank You to Jantix, Rufus, Ivan, and a few others for taking the time to actually answer my game play related questions and also Thank You to MotherMoon, Sebastien, Final Fight and several others for taking the time to provide some constructive advice about how to make the most of the game.

And you are absolutly correct Final Fight...surviving in EVE IS easier than getting a "glad you chose to play our game over all the other crap out there" feeling from these forums...not just this thread...but in scanning hundreds of them over several days now. Makes me wonder how anyone expects to maintain an influx of new players into what appears to be an opently hostile player environment, and no, I'm not referring to the PvP aspect of the game.

Again, thank you to all those that chose to actually reply with something constructive.


- learn to ignore some players in threads. Whine and Smack is intensive but some like TCF are against it. Yet if I see you in space (0.0) I will pod you for no reason.

"Why" you ask? Territory, spy, anti-spy, fun, etc.



Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.01.09 22:37:00 - [30]
 

Quote:
Now I’m sure that these three dysfunctional degenerates probably had a good reason for ganking a newbie. Perhaps they were harassed by the girls on the playground that day at school, or maybe the jocks gave them crap in the locker room, or maybe it’s the only way they can come up with to feel macho while sitting in front of their double wide trailer, sipping Budweiser and watching their neighbor’s dogs fornicate in their front yard after a long hard day of working at the chicken factory. Whatever the reason, I’m sure it was an important event in their lives, one that they’ll brag about to their friends for weeks and weeks to come, while the rest of the world quickly forgets, or simply never had reason to know, their real life names.


Sounds pretty ****in emo about a video game to me.


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