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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.01.10 03:27:00 - [61]
 

Let people turn in their alts for the jove option, a miniscule chance at morphing their character to jove, with an ever so slight increase for each month people have been playing.

One time per account roll of the dice after the alt slots have been terminated.

Wu Jiun
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.01.10 04:53:00 - [62]
 

Whats with people who already have 2 chars on 1 account? I have
2 chars on one of my accounts one of which has 9m sp and the other has 6. Both have skill plans for the future!

I am sure many people are in this situation and actually like to be able to play in 2 different corps or living 2 lifes one as an industrialist and another one as low-life scum maybe?

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.01.10 04:58:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 10/01/2008 05:03:49

Oh 'Eck Vaari...

I can never work out if you're for real or not...

You log in, fly your carrier round a bit outside the station shouting 'I'm Lord Vaari - You are all my servents/slaves etc" with lots of pomp and vigour, and you never drop your character for a second. Laughing

Please tell me you're not like this when you go to the shops to buy your potatoes, or go the doctors for a check-up.... (or post on the forums!?)

Xaziar Nortocus
Forces Unknown Inc
Posted - 2008.01.10 06:20:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Vaari
I think it is time to close the ability to create alternative characters.


....Its been said before and I will say it again...

NO

Thornat
Posted - 2008.01.10 06:35:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Vaari
I think it is time to close the ability to create alternative characters. They are constantly pain and are used to haras others. I see them nothing but nuisance. This game would be much better without them. I demand that next patch will eliminate all existing alts and prevent their creation.


Yes

1- Warn that in 6 months all alts will be terminated and each account will only hold one character.
2- In 6 months, do it.



While I hate the idea of alts, at this point I don't see how you could justify eliminating them. I mean although 90% of the player base abuses alt characters there are a considerable amount of players who actually train multiple characters or have trainned certain characters up to a point (for a specific purpose) and then train a new character with equal intensity making their Alt characters quite a bit more then what most ALTS are. Deleting those characters would simply be extremly unfair.

The only thing they could concievably do is eliminate the ability to create new alts, but in the end everyone would fill their alts right before the patch is put in and the alts woudl continue to exist so that really wouldn't have much effect.

In short, its just too late to eliminate alts in a fashion that would be justifiable. I mean eliminating alts would be the equivilant of suddenly deciding that Carriers where a bad idea and removing them from the game. While most players would be unaffected, the few that spent months trainning for it would probobly be quite upset hence a change like that could never be justified.

Shismo
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:03:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Shismo on 10/01/2008 07:06:28
Yes! Remove me!

Metagaming is evil. One character per account, one account per person. Enforce that last one with IP, credit card number, personal information, and ninjas.

This would fix the game in so many ways. 0.0 would become a vast trade empire because nobody would be afraid of alt spies. Macro miners would be significantly hurt also, fixing the economy. And the forums would improve.

Also, to the post above. Carriers where a bad idea, and the longer they wait to remove them the more people that will be hurt. How will the game be when 99% of the playerbase is in a carrier, and the last 1% in a titan? (they all use alts to set up cynos). It would be boring and suck. Capital ships where a mistake. Just refund the points, let people select which skills they would rather have had trained up. A one time respec for all characters. At the same time they can remove learning skills.

It would fix the game in so many ways, do it ccp.

SeismicForce
Terra Incognita
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:36:00 - [67]
 

Just allow one character per account to post on the forums. Ingame alts should be left as be.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:45:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Vaari
I think it is time to close the ability to create alternative characters. They are constantly pain and are used to haras others. I see them nothing but nuisance. This game would be much better without them. I demand that next patch will eliminate all existing alts and prevent their creation.


I'm sure CCP is going to be all over that, bud. Lets see here. How much money would CCP lose "banning" people's ability to make alts? If we assume that there are 100k paying accounts and if we assume 15k of those accounts are "alt" accounts, then CCP stands to lose $225,000 a month or $2.7 million a year.

Do you think that CCP hosts this game for fun? CCP is a capitalist entity which is designed to make money. I see the chances of CCP flushing $3,000,000 a year at 0.

Thanks, drive through.

-Karlemgne

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:55:00 - [69]
 

Come on, kids, lets get real. See my above post. What is more, do you see a company that just finished offering a "power of two" promotion to get players to pick up multiple accounts "banning" alts? Does it even make sense that some of you are saying "CCP doesn't like alts?"

No it doesn't.

Your stuff please.

Eternal Hatred
Amarr
Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
Posted - 2008.01.10 07:59:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Oh 'Eck Vaari...

I can never work out if you're for real or not...


Sadly, his like this in reallife. I could give you link to his blog but you wouldn't understand it because it's finnish(ish).

To Vaari:

Proper screen your people before giving hangar access. Again I was left out and PERVS couldn't steal your ****. Someone always gets you before us Mad

"Kolmas kerta toden sanoo?" Laughing

Ps. I'm not who you think I am YARRRR!!

Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.01.10 08:24:00 - [71]
 

As a person who has one account and one char I would love to see each account forced to this model. Then if you want a scout, research or cyno alt you can either pay for that luxury or use teamwork with your corp mates. This is an MMO right?

Smacktalking Alt
Posted - 2008.01.10 08:28:00 - [72]
 

I'm very much against this proposal. Very Happy

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2008.01.10 08:41:00 - [73]
 

Alts and multi-accounts are here to stay. Yes, they give an unfair advantage to ppl with excessive RL income and they make the game many times dirtier and harder for those who play with just one account, but this is life. RL money buy you candy, even in the virtual world. Eve, where each player would have just one account is an utopia, just like communism - everything is looking great on paper but impossible to implement. When someone can get a degree of in-game advantage using his RL income, he will find a way to do so, that's human nature. Besides that, CCP is a private corporation, the more ppl will have more accounts, the more money will go to CCP - they'll never say no to that.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2008.01.10 10:03:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Estephania
Alts and multi-accounts are here to stay. Yes, they give an unfair advantage to ppl with excessive RL income and they make the game many times dirtier and harder for those who play with just one account, but this is life. RL money buy you candy, even in the virtual world. Eve, where each player would have just one account is an utopia, just like communism - everything is looking great on paper but impossible to implement. When someone can get a degree of in-game advantage using his RL income, he will find a way to do so, that's human nature. Besides that, CCP is a private corporation, the more ppl will have more accounts, the more money will go to CCP - they'll never say no to that.


I agree. Alts are here to stay for economic reasons.

That little editorial on "communism" though? Crap.

Cheers,

-Karl

Dristra
Amarr
Idle Haven
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:22:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Victor Forge
No, but make it possible to see all alts of a poster in forums. Then posters will have to stand for their posts instead of hiding behind alts.

In game there is no better or more available Scout than a completly untrained alt with no implants in a starter ship. It is simply not worth the ammo to kill.


Good idea, prevents (some of) the rampart trolling that is going crazy on eve forums currently.

Auron Shadowbane
Pelennor Swarm
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:25:00 - [76]
 

stfu forum alt!

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:28:00 - [77]
 

/signed

Remove alts, all it is really is a way for people to play the metagame of EVE rather than do everything in game, it sucks and should be removed.

If people want more than one character they should pay for them. Having multiple subscriptions on EVE I don't like but it's not a big issue, but removing alts from each account I like. Alts suck.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:29:00 - [78]
 

What about just providing public record of what alts are on the same account? That way if someone posts on the forum with his 'alt', we know what other characters are associated with them.

That way you have accountability, regardless of what character you use to post or harass other players.

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:32:00 - [79]
 

Because I don't give a shit about the forum really, it's the game I care about. I just want people to stop using alts to metagame because metagaming is what makes MMORPG's suck the most.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:44:00 - [80]
 

so make it so you can only post with one character...
my alts have their uses - and have a shed load of SP - they are for when the main 'cannie take any more' labs | production | RPM ... etc

Cosmar
Gallente
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2008.01.10 11:58:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Cosmar on 10/01/2008 11:59:57
Edited by: Cosmar on 10/01/2008 11:58:39
I belive that it would be a great ideea if there were no alts or multiple accounts allowed at all, but that it's way too late at this point to do it.
They'll just lose too many people if they go around deleting characters with millions of skillpoints. Not to mention they probably get many thousands of dollars in subscription fees from people with more then one account.

As how this would have been implemented ? Well for once you couldn't run two EvE clients at the same time on the same computer/IP adress, which would make multiple accounts useless for most people.
And ofcourse one character slot per account.

The reason is people cheating the system by avoiding consequences for actions that are done "in the name" of their main, by their alts.
Avoiding security rating repercursions and bounties, avoiding combat by scouting ahead, avoiding negative ingame reputation by doing things that would give them bad reputation on disposable alts, using alts to infiltrate other corporations, etc...

It would be much better if everyone would just "be" their one character in the game. Maybe there would need to be a way to have a one-off change to the initial stats, other then that i don't see why anyone would ever need a new character for a legitimate purpose, because unlike a MMORPG with "classes" in EvE everyone can learn any skill and do everything. If you're Gallente and want to fly Amarr there's nothing stoping you.

Chi'an Peimei
Caldari
Draconian Toymaker Corp
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:09:00 - [82]
 

What, do they have a stupid idea on how to wreck games school? WTF man? First, there was the remove local thread... now this. Really, I would say there must be something in the water, but this is a world wide game. Now I'm worried about catching the stupids. Ignorant game ideas based on the bad reaction on a very minority of the player base can and has killed games in the past. I ENJOY PLAYING ON MY ALTS. I don't spy with my alts, I don't scam... on one account I have a Raven pilot and a HAC pilot. What, I should lose the months of training time and stop being able to enjoy playing the seperate chars? I love doing the missions in Caldari space in the Raven, but I can't just throw away the PVP fun of my Vagabond.... This is bull**** plain and simple.... and you having no effing idea of how lame this game would be without alts. Several corps I have been in have been war dec'd by corps 5x or more their size... so i just go and do something else... you would take away the escape from constant POS warfare? I wanna know where whoever beat you got the stupid forest to beat you with is!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:46:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Shismo
Edited by: Shismo on 10/01/2008 07:06:28
Yes! Remove me!

Metagaming is evil. One character per account, one account per person. Enforce that last one with IP, credit card number, personal information, and ninjas.

This would fix the game in so many ways. 0.0 would become a vast trade empire because nobody would be afraid of alt spies. Macro miners would be significantly hurt also, fixing the economy. And the forums would improve.

Also, to the post above. Carriers where a bad idea, and the longer they wait to remove them the more people that will be hurt. How will the game be when 99% of the playerbase is in a carrier, and the last 1% in a titan? (they all use alts to set up cynos). It would be boring and suck. Capital ships where a mistake. Just refund the points, let people select which skills they would rather have had trained up. A one time respec for all characters. At the same time they can remove learning skills.

It would fix the game in so many ways, do it ccp.



Or.... not.

Again, you assert that alt "abuse" is the norm. I don't think I abuse my alts. I use several accounts so I can train SP faster and catch up a little with the people who've been playing since 2003. My 3rd character is pretty much done: she has lots of trade and corp skills that I needed, but I didn't want to spend ~8M SP on my main (Mal) on. So I'll probably transfer her to my main account once her current subscription period ends in a few weeks (trying to get her into covops first). I don't spy or scam with my alts; I just use them to broaden the variety of things that I can do in the game.

I repeat: your problem is not with alts, but with the people playing them. Your argument is, in essence, that people shouldn't be allowed to do things you don't like.

Now if you want to argue for a change whereby alts on account are visibly linked, I'd have less of a problem with that.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:49:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Karlemgne

I agree. Alts are here to stay for economic reasons.

That little editorial on "communism" though? Crap.

Cheers,

-Karl


How is this crap? Care to elaborate? I know about communism more than you can imagine, because I've spent several years of my life in a country that was trying to build one. It looks very nice in books which you probably read, but it ended in rivers of blood and tears for millions of ppl. Next time post about something you really know.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:51:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Estephania
Originally by: Karlemgne

I agree. Alts are here to stay for economic reasons.

That little editorial on "communism" though? Crap.

Cheers,

-Karl


How is this crap? Care to elaborate? I know about communism more than you can imagine, because I've spent several years of my life in a country that was trying to build one. It looks very nice in books which you probably read, but it ended in rivers of blood and tears for millions of ppl. Next time post about something you really know.


Oh dear. Look, there's something you should really have been told about the internet...

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.01.10 12:58:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Estephania
Alts and multi-accounts are here to stay. Yes, they give an unfair advantage to ppl with excessive RL income and they make the game many times dirtier and harder for those who play with just one account, but this is life. RL money buy you candy, even in the virtual world. Eve, where each player would have just one account is an utopia, just like communism - everything is looking great on paper but impossible to implement. When someone can get a degree of in-game advantage using his RL income, he will find a way to do so, that's human nature. Besides that, CCP is a private corporation, the more ppl will have more accounts, the more money will go to CCP - they'll never say no to that.


"Excessive" real life income?

Erm, An account in EvE costs about the same as buying 1 bottle of decent wine per month. Or 2 beers if you live in bloody London.

I have 3 accounts and that costs less than my mobile.

You could get a Sunday paper route and make enough to run 3-4 accounts, and that's from what the going rate was when I left school. I'm serious.

If you can raise 1.2B every 3 months, which isn't that demanding, you can have 3 accounts FOR FREE.

As hobbies go, EvE is about as cheap as it gets. So knock off with the "excessive income" tears. If EvE is an expensive hobby for you, you really need to get a better job than selling roses at traffic lights.

Some people say that you spend a lot more on EvE than non-subscription games. Fair enough. But you get a hell of a lot more play time too. Even with 3 accounts, it costs me about 6p an hour or something daft like that.

Viilaa
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.10 13:48:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Pwett
If we ended alt, what would I press to talk on ventrilo?

Can we just keep the right alt? I hardly ever use the left one!


End the left alt ??? Are you crazy.. I always use the left alt to talk on Ventrilo. get rid of the right one... Rolling Eyes

I actually think that you should be only able to post on the forums with your main. That would get rid of any forum-based alt problems.

Viilaa

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.01.10 13:56:00 - [88]
 

This brings back memories of hating a guy who had 9 accounts running. This is in the days just after Exodus when I joined, he had 8 Retreivers just sitting there, mining in hisec with me in my Bantam - sad days those were Crying or Very sad

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2008.01.10 14:13:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Estephania
Alts and multi-accounts are here to stay. Yes, they give an unfair advantage to ppl with excessive RL income and they make the game many times dirtier and harder for those who play with just one account, but this is life. RL money buy you candy, even in the virtual world. Eve, where each player would have just one account is an utopia, just like communism - everything is looking great on paper but impossible to implement. When someone can get a degree of in-game advantage using his RL income, he will find a way to do so, that's human nature. Besides that, CCP is a private corporation, the more ppl will have more accounts, the more money will go to CCP - they'll never say no to that.


"Excessive" real life income?

Erm, An account in EvE costs about the same as buying 1 bottle of decent wine per month. Or 2 beers if you live in bloody London.

I have 3 accounts and that costs less than my mobile.

You could get a Sunday paper route and make enough to run 3-4 accounts, and that's from what the going rate was when I left school. I'm serious.

If you can raise 1.2B every 3 months, which isn't that demanding, you can have 3 accounts FOR FREE.

As hobbies go, EvE is about as cheap as it gets. So knock off with the "excessive income" tears. If EvE is an expensive hobby for you, you really need to get a better job than selling roses at traffic lights.

Some people say that you spend a lot more on EvE than non-subscription games. Fair enough. But you get a hell of a lot more play time too. Even with 3 accounts, it costs me about 6p an hour or something daft like that.


This kind of ignorance is amusing. Yes, 15$ is nothing more than 1/2 an hour of work for many ppl. Personally, I wouldn't bother with more than 1 account because of the lack of time, I'd rather sell GTCs as my time worth much more in RL than in Eve. But ppl like you should rally get off their high horse and travel around the world. No, I don't mean Disneyland or French Riviera. Visit different countries and see how ppl live there. Then it will probably be clear to you that not everyone was lucky to be born in the golden billion country and there are 4 billion of ppl who consider $15 not such a small amount. Of course poor ppl don't play Eve (when I say poor here I mean really poor ppl and not those who prefer to receive welfare and cry about their lousy existance because they didn't care to get any education or qualification in their life). In Eve we have ppl from all over the world, even from countries where $15 more per month can make a difference, so man, get off your high horse and look around you a little bit.

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2008.01.10 14:17:00 - [90]
 

Would be nice to see how many real active members they are, too many alliances/corps are falsely bloated with alt numbers


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