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Hickock
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.01.07 23:57:00 - [1]
 

The throw down between Ohio State University and Louisiana State University is coming up in aabout an hour and a half.

Who are you for?

Im goin for OSU all the way.

Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
Posted - 2008.01.08 03:13:00 - [2]
 

Since Notre Dame did not have a good year, the whole point of discussing college football is, well... there is no point. Go Irish!

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2008.01.08 04:05:00 - [3]
 

As I've said of every other bowl game that featured OSU:

This year, the BCS Bowl will be Ohio State -vs- the poor suckers who get to lose to Ohio State.

Vlad Cetes
Caldari
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.01.08 04:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Amarria Black
As I've said of every other bowl game that featured OSU:

This year, the BCS Bowl will be Ohio State -vs- the poor suckers who get to lose to Ohio State.


Didnt Florida completely kick Ohio St's ass last year, 41-14? Oh yeah & if Eric Aigne hadnt choked Tennessee woulda won the SEC East. GO VOLS!

Shinji Seto
Minmatar
Xolti Research
Posted - 2008.01.08 05:02:00 - [5]
 

LOL osu, once again the SEC proves who is the dominant conference! Go Tigers!

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2008.01.08 05:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vlad Cetes
Originally by: Amarria Black
As I've said of every other bowl game that featured OSU:

This year, the BCS Bowl will be Ohio State -vs- the poor suckers who get to lose to Ohio State.


Didnt Florida completely kick Ohio St's ass last year, 41-14? Oh yeah & if Eric Aigne hadnt choked Tennessee woulda won the SEC East. GO VOLS!


Yep. And now we're 0-2 on bowls while having winning seasons AND beating Michigan in six of the last seven matchups.

I dunno what's up.

Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.01.08 06:25:00 - [7]
 

I'll preface this with the note that I am a Michigan student/fan and that the Buckeyes can shove it. Yes, I know we had a bad season but if you wanted to see what Michigan was capable of when healthy and with better coaching, take a look at the capital one bowl. Our performance this year yes, was inexcusably terrible and all I can say is that I think we will have something more promising in our next two seasons.

That being said, back to the national title game.

1. **** the Buckeyes.

2. OSU had no buisness losing that game. They gave LSU 3 touchdowns on 2 turnovers and the roughing the kicker gig. Their defense stepped up pretty well and gave an ok demonstration that the SEC speed obsession isn't the only way to go.

3. Todd Boeckman is a hack. He kept missing open recievers due to absurdly slow release. Fortunately for him, a lot of the time his offensive line gave him a good deal of time, but often he waited too long to make a throw such that his receivers were covered. Had he better release, this game probably would have been different. Frankly, against the power defensive line of LSU you simply have to prepare to throw to who is open because that pass rush every so often will make you pay for waiting.

4. On the early release note, OSU recievers were making some good runs after the catch merely because of the size difference between them and the LSU secondary. Some shorter passes could well have kept the OSU offense alive and Jim Tressel - an otherwise (unfortunately) talented coach never capitalized on this advantage.

5. OSU's defense wasn't even trying on some of those plays. Some terrible inexcusable missed tackles after they started to get the guy pinned. Helped give LSU the game.

Now, on to the conference implications of the LSU victory. I fully expect the world to come out saying once again that the SEC is the best conference in the league. This is an easy conclusion for the stupid to make, but let's look in depth at this bowl season.

First, the PAC-10. I think you'd have to be completely insane to deny the strength of the USC team. Yes, they faced a terrible upset but aside from that were pretty strong all season. Yes, Illinois was completely outmatched in the Rose Bowl but something does have to be said for USC's performance there. Moving on, the real top dog this year was Oregon up until Dennis Dixon's unfortunate injury. Before he fell, there wasn't a defense in the nation that could have stopped him and his balanced spread attack. He should have had a Heisman trophy and a national title now but hey - that's college football. In addition, California and Arizona state are building up as promising future programs. Granted, post Dennis Dixon, Oregon will be likely struggling again but I think there is future for this program as well. On the whole I'd say you can expect easily 2 top tier teams from this conference in the future(USC and someone else).

Moving along, the Big 12. Texas and Oklahoma both had bad years. Oklahoma's defense in particular was very lacking and got utterly destroyed by West Virginia's powerful offense. They didn't have good defensive coaching at all and weren't able to make the small, quick West Virginia players pay for their yards. Despite rocky seasons though, neither of these programs are down for the count. Nebraska will likely also recover. In addition, with the rise of Missouri and Kansas in the Big 12 North, I think in the future you will see the Big 12 become an increasingly competitive conference.

I'm going to skip over the ACC and the Big East, since both conferences are terrible and massively overrated.


Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.01.08 06:25:00 - [8]
 

So, onto the big 10.

The big 10 really doesn't get enough credit. The entire conference has had a rough year. Michigan played through the season injured. The rise of Illinois mucked with the general progression of the conference's dominance. Wisconsin also was plagued by injuries and quite clearly weren't the team they were last year. Penn State - well, get a better passer than Anthony Morelli who hasn't a clue and you'd have a solid team. OSU - well, they had nobody of note in their out-of-conference schedule and thus appeared stronger than they should have - but to be fair, they played better than anyone should have expected given how much of their team graduated last year. Iowa also had a terrible season - I believe in part due to injuries as well.

Beyond all that though, the big criticism is the whole "big and slow" stereotype given the rise of these fancy spread-option offensive attacks. This is the number one reason why people have a tendency to write off the big 10 as the bottom tier of the major conferences. However, while the speed game can be nice, it's hardly the only effective way to play football. Take a look at the Capital One bowl game for example as the undersized Florida offensive line was practically crammed in on Tim Tebow. Granted, Percy Harvin and Tebow did burn Michigan's defense for a couple big plays, but I think you can blame that on slightly oversized outside linebackers and an underwhelming michigan secondary. The thing is, these spread attacks with little guys are all well and nice until someone with some size can make you pay for it. All it takes is one big hit on one play and your star fancy spread-option quarterback is done for a few weeks if not the entire season. Ask Dennis Dixon about it - And Pat white - and Matt Flynn - the list goes on. I think the lack of success of the Big 10 this year really has less to do with the traditional style and more to do with chance weak seasons and tragic injury.

However, it's not as if our bowl season was as bad as the commentators make it out to be.

Michigan beat #9 ranked and Heisman trophy quarterbacked Florida with plenty of room to spare - Oh, and Michigan gave up 4 turnovers.

Wisconsin barely lost to an SEC team that was in the SEC title game.

Illinois was up against a team that had they not failed earlier in their season should have been in the title game. Not a major hit to the conference in my opinion.

Penn State won against a decent offensive attack of Texas A&M and this was hardly an on season for PSU.

Michigan State (quite bottom tier in the conference) barely lost to Boston College and that was without Jonal St.Dic, their star pass rusher. Their new coach is going to make something quite impressive out of the MSU program I predict.

Purdue won, but nobody cares about them.

And Ohio State - F*** the buckeyes - pulled out a recovering season into a winning one and had the defense not screwed up on the blocked punt and had they not given up the turnovers, probably would have defeated LSU. They were running all over the LSU defense and LSU's secondary was giving up plenty of passing opportunities that Todd Boeckman was too terrible to exploit. This should have been a lot closer of a game than OSU made it - but instead they threw it away. With more discipline, this game could have easily gone in the other direction.

I'd say the Big 10 on a good year could match the SEC...

...who's Bowl performance despite the record wasn't all that impressive. Georgia squashed an overrated Hawaii. LSU was given the title game by OSU. Florida got pummled by Michigan. Tennesee - in the SEC championship game - barely edged out Wisconsin. Arkansas got absolutely destroyed by Missouri and Darren Mcfadden got held to 105 rushing yards on the game. Auburn barely surivived Clemson (LOL ACC). Wins are wins, yes, but not exactly many really overly dominant performances one would expect given how highly regarded the SEC is as a

Ituralde
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.01.08 06:26:00 - [9]
 

conference. Frankly, Arkansas and Florida are some of the more highly regarded programs in the SEC and their defeats don't really jive with the SEC's claim of overall college football conference dominance.

Now, I'd definately have to agree SEC is probably - this season - the top conference of the year, but I highly disagree that it is always the top conference as much of both the Big 10 and Big 12 and at least USC from the Pac 10 can certainly fight on the SEC's level.

I guess that's my recap of the Postseason then Laughing

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.01.08 10:22:00 - [10]
 

Laughing

Saw this thread title, thought "heh, 'ralde will probably post in it", and lo and behold who posts a walloftext?

Wink

Ixianus
Posted - 2008.01.08 10:28:00 - [11]
 

A few hours ago I heard alot of bangs outside. Being in a semi bad part of town I assumed it was a gang war or something and went outside.

Turns out it was a bunch of people shooting fireworks for the Louisiana victory.

Yes, I live in Louisiana, 45 or so miles from LSU, in another college town, so this sort of thing isn't that irregular I suppose.

Brokk Su
Posted - 2008.01.11 15:39:00 - [12]
 

Sorry, team for team, the SEC IS the premier conference. Other conferences can't match the number of quality teams in the SEC. I am biased, of course and challenge anyone who disagrees to a beer funnel contest.

Suadela
Posted - 2008.01.23 04:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ixianus
A few hours ago I heard alot of bangs outside. Being in a semi bad part of town I assumed it was a gang war or something and went outside.

Turns out it was a bunch of people shooting fireworks for the Louisiana victory.

Yes, I live in Louisiana, 45 or so miles from LSU, in another college town, so this sort of thing isn't that irregular I suppose.


Are you from Lafayette?


 

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