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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2007.12.29 20:31:00 - [1]
 

What's up with the hidden belts? I've been picking them up recently in systems with more than one exploration site.

The annoying part is, twice these grav sites have given a hit to a different probe type. So I'm trying to scan down a radar site first, and drop radar quest probes which give a hit to the grav site.

I then, thinking I've gotten within .5 au of a radar site I start dropping radar probes.

6 to 10 sift probes later I'm in a hidden belt.

Has anyone else encountered this?

-K

Bhodistafa
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.29 20:47:00 - [2]
 

Yes, I was scanning for a radar site and ended up with a hidden roid belt too. Very odd.

This event happened in Lonetrek, your site wasn't there too was it?

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2007.12.29 21:01:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Bhodistafa
Yes, I was scanning for a radar site and ended up with a hidden roid belt too. Very odd.

This event happened in Lonetrek, your site wasn't there too was it?


No, it was in Placid. This has happened to me twice. The first scan of mag quest and radar quests both hit resulted in a hit.

It then took me about an hour to scan the belts out from there with the wrong type of sift probe (since I was still using mag and radar probes).


-Karl

Corwin Amberite
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.12.29 21:59:00 - [4]
 

Yes you can pick other types different than the probes. Probes pick all types of signal but their strenght is bigger for their type. If the signal strenght of the quest hit is suspiciously low you probably picked the belt.

Karlemgne
Tides Of War
Posted - 2007.12.29 22:20:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Corwin Amberite
Yes you can pick other types different than the probes. Probes pick all types of signal but their strenght is bigger for their type. If the signal strenght of the quest hit is suspiciously low you probably picked the belt.


I've been doing exploration sites for awhile now and this is the first time this has happened. And the fact that it happened twice in two days was a little alarming to me.

Thanks for the information though.

-K

Horchan
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.29 23:59:00 - [6]
 

The problem is, having a really low signal strength doesn't guarantee that it's an "off-type" site. Higher level Unknown complexes and Base4 sites can have notoriously low signal strength.

Also, Corwin, expect for your sig to be nerfed pretty quickly. It's a tad too big. Not that I don't like it. =)

Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2007.12.30 00:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Mudkest on 30/12/2007 00:30:13
try finding a site with 0.6 AU accuracy on first try with quest probe, then spending 2 hours(with ~2.5min scan time) with the 1AU probes finding only 0.55-0.7AU hits >.<


Originally by: Horchan
Also, Corwin, expect for your sig to be nerfed pretty quickly. It's a tad too big. Not that I don't like it. =)


ack, sorry horch, think I reported your post(who put the quote button next to it and not put a "THIS IS NOT THE QUOTE BUTTON" warning on it >.<)

anyway, what you mean too big, It's not big enough :p

Iracham
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.30 00:47:00 - [8]
 

I spent nearly 24 hours probing a site in a system with radar and grav multispec, i lay out radar quests, get a .2 AU or so hit FIRST SCAN.

I then spent over 300 radar sift probes, 20 gravimetric sift probes, and at least 30 mag or ladar sift probes (ran out of others nearby and was waiting for more to be delivered to me) to get a proper site hit (most of the time was spent getting 700-800 km sift hits, even with awesome triple probe coverage bookmarks)

What awesome super low strength radar site do I have?

Exploration - Small - Jaspet, Hemorphite, Hedbergite.

I was livid. Ended up selling the BM to some random noob for 2m and spending another 45 minutes finding the Base 2 hacking site (getting another radar quest hit on that stupid grav site in the process)


Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2007.12.30 04:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Iracham
I spent nearly 24 hours probing a site in a system with radar and grav multispec, i lay out radar quests, get a .2 AU or so hit FIRST SCAN.

I then spent over 300 radar sift probes, 20 gravimetric sift probes, and at least 30 mag or ladar sift probes (ran out of others nearby and was waiting for more to be delivered to me) to get a proper site hit (most of the time was spent getting 700-800 km sift hits, even with awesome triple probe coverage bookmarks)

What awesome super low strength radar site do I have?

Exploration - Small - Jaspet, Hemorphite, Hedbergite.

I was livid. Ended up selling the BM to some random noob for 2m and spending another 45 minutes finding the Base 2 hacking site (getting another radar quest hit on that stupid grav site in the process)





ooh ooh, may i please quote that in my bio for next time I'm getting annoyed with exploration?

Ikkajo
Minmatar
Illudium Space Products
Posted - 2007.12.30 06:33:00 - [10]
 

I've been contemplating over the last few days whether I should make a similar post. Someone beat me to it!

I've noticed the same odd behaviour, but it is limited to systems with both radar and grav sites in it. the radar probes are picking up grav sites well before the radar sites. It seems to be way more than coincidence here: I'm talking about this has happened to me on more than a dozen occasions in the past couple of weeks since the 1.0.1 patch. If fact, I'd go out on a limb and say that if there is a grav site and radar site in the system, I will find the grav site first always when using radar probes.

I'm thinking this is worthy of a bug report as it is happening way too often to be random chance. However, I don't know what to give them as a bug report material as all the logic is server-side and not client, so the logserver won't help - or be horrendously large for a 2+ hour scanning session.

Bhodistafa
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.30 10:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Corwin Amberite
Yes you can pick other types different than the probes. Probes pick all types of signal but their strenght is bigger for their type. If the signal strenght of the quest hit is suspiciously low you probably picked the belt.


There was just one signal in the system that was radar. When I tracked it down and warped into the site it was a hidden belt, not a radar site. I'm aware that all probes have a small chance of locating of other signal flavours but when your multispec tells you it's radar and the site is grav you tend to wonder.

Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2007.12.30 12:27:00 - [12]
 

This is one reason it's wise to ALWAYS run thru the full hour on Quests, bookmarking sig-str and acc/distance tags on every hit you get, and not starting purs/comb/sift on the first hit.
After a full hour of questing - should be able to look at yr BMs from solarsys map and have a better idea of how many sites, where they are, whether 2 are very close together etc.... Track them all down, deleting the hit-BMs when they tally up acc/dist to a found site, and what's left - you haven't found yet :)

Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2007.12.30 12:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Bhodistafa
Originally by: Corwin Amberite
Yes you can pick other types different than the probes. Probes pick all types of signal but their strenght is bigger for their type. If the signal strenght of the quest hit is suspiciously low you probably picked the belt.


There was just one signal in the system that was radar. When I tracked it down and warped into the site it was a hidden belt, not a radar site. I'm aware that all probes have a small chance of locating of other signal flavours but when your multispec tells you it's radar and the site is grav you tend to wonder.


Sounds like it spawned while you were scanning ....

Ahn Riane
Blue Star Surveying and Mapping
Posted - 2007.12.30 14:35:00 - [14]
 

SAme here.
In a System with grav and radar signatures, I got a 0.0009 sig with radar quest probes.
Arguing, this was'nt I was looking for, I scanned a litle more.
... and got that same result one time more.
There is a very little chance, this thing could happen, if everything functions as it should.

Scanned that site down, it was the grav site.
Only after placing a new set of radar quest probes, i found the radar site.
It had a sig strenght of 0.2..

strange.

Corwin Amberite
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.12.30 17:58:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Corwin Amberite on 30/12/2007 17:58:40
I know that high quality sites have low sig strenght. Recently found 10/10 plex. But if you don't find anything with 3 sift probes something is wrong. Also if the deviation is close to the range of the probe it is better to use less accurate probe. For instance if the deviation is 0.488 AU it's better to use comb probe instead of sift.

And yeh my sig got nerfed. CCP damn you Very Happy

Corwin Amberite
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.12.30 18:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Iracham
(most of the time was spent getting 700-800 km sift hits, even with awesome triple probe coverage bookmarks)



Sometimes if you get that close result the site has spawned and you won't get more hits. Warp to the result, make BM, warp to a stargate, leave the system, go back to the system, warp to the BM. You are at 0km from the site.


 

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