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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.27 21:45:00 - [61]
 

what?

I have to fix a crack in my tub.

In history I learned that Hitler was the leader of the Nazi party.

An archaic term for donkey is ass

Sniggardly is not a word, but Niggardly is. It is defined as: Grudging or petty in giving or spending.

Saddam Hussein is the former dictator of Iraq.


How is it you guys have issues with the filter and I don't?

Twisted Evil

Obviously the filter will be corrected and updated when they update the forum software. It would be nice, however, to have an on/off toggle in our personal forum settings, with on as the default.

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Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 09:33:00 - [62]
 

Nice get around. I'll remember that one...

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2007.12.28 10:07:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Karanth on 28/12/2007 10:08:54
Oh HELL no! Now the mods will descend with permabanning vengeance! The forums will suffer more than the day of the threadnought, when stickies were seen on the third page!

The end is nigh! Repent, mother****ers! ShockedShockedShocked


Also, while the Forapocalypse is happening, can SOMEONE update my portrait? I changed it almost a month ago now... ugh


Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.12.28 10:22:00 - [64]
 

I have friends who live in S****horpe, just north of Lincoln, UK. Must they always be victimised by profanity filters?

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 10:27:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Rjaiajik Kajvoril on 28/12/2007 10:27:38
Edited by: Rjaiajik Kajvoril on 28/12/2007 10:26:43

The poor people in scunthorpe are being victimised... fix it people, fix it.

(by the way, I will use the get around for legit usage, not to swear in the forums unduely, that would get me banned. I'm not an idiot).

fasfhadtrv
Posted - 2007.12.28 10:32:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: fasfhadtrv on 28/12/2007 10:32:04
Originally by: El'Niaga
The use of profane or vulgar language is not something that is appropriate to a forum dedicated to a game open to people of all ages.

While the average age might be in the mid twenties (though I've not seen any empirical data to support that claim) there are a large number of teens and preteens that play EVE.

Such language does not assist in making any arguments or in getting a point across. All such language serves is to demean, belittle, and harass other individuals.

I seriously doubt those of you claiming you can use such language at work would keep your jobs long if you used such to your boss or co worker or even to customers in the process of that work. Yes you might could use it in the break room or at the water cooler, but you'd quickly find yourself in hot water using it in other places I highly suspect.




I'm totally going to get fired for mentioning ******

Also... "all ages" what all ages? What kids play eve? Oh thats right they play caldari and are in NPC corps with ravens doing missions.
% Of kids in eve=very low
% Of kids in eve THAT USE THE FORUMS=Incredibly low

Also thanks for the qoute tip people

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 11:49:00 - [67]
 

I want to know who decided that these kids are going to be perminatly damaged by these bad words, oh the scaring is awful. They will never recover because they saw the letters f, u, c and k in a specific order.

Clearly these kids will have perminant pychological disorders from reading the names of past political parties or dictators that have had a defined effect on the world. We can't ever mention them, think of the children.

Well I'm not a child and I don't care if a kid accidentally winds up here because if they're smart enough to play EVE they're smart enough to find **** on the net or read Maddox (google it if you don't know). CCP need to learn that.

Xavia Cameron
Caldari
Capital Core Collectives
Posted - 2007.12.28 12:16:00 - [68]
 

I'm 15 and even I agree the filter is insane. You won't find too many players that much younger then me. And I assure you in a modern high school you have to be doing something wrong to not know these words exist.

If you already know these words exist, what harm can come of reading them more? We teenagers are not as impressionable as a lot of people give us credit for.

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.12.28 12:27:00 - [69]
 

I do hope they get around to fixing it.

For the record, the reason certain historical figures were originally added to the list was that the forum has a strict no-politics ban which certain people were flouting regularly in posts concerning those figures. I can see why they added them to the filter but it would have been better done as a short term measure and then removed.

Buchatar
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.28 12:27:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Xavia Cameron
I'm 15 and even I agree the filter is insane. You won't find too many players that much younger then me. And I assure you in a modern high school you have to be doing something wrong to not know these words exist.

If you already know these words exist, what harm can come of reading them more? We teenagers are not as impressionable as a lot of people give us credit for.


Here here, then again... all it takes is one stupidly over-protective parent and a lawyer.
An example is one I saw in WoW (yes this is on topic before I get flamed).
One of the races had a joke that went a little like this:
"I kill two dwarves in the morning,
I kill two dwarves at night,
I kill two dwarves in the afternoon and everything alright,
I kill two dwarves in times of peace and two in time of war,
I kill two dwarves before I kill two dwarves,
and then I kill two more."

Now this was a good laugh and arguably one of the best little ditty's in the game. However... it was removed... why?
Someone noticed that the original version of this song, that is quite old went.
"I smoke two spliffs in the morning..." etc.

I dont know the finer details... only that all it took was what I said above...
"one stupidly over-protective parent and a lawyer."

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 13:29:00 - [71]
 

But let's face it, what judge would take the case seriously? Yes it could happen, but if people worry about every sue happy person who could have a problem with them they will never do anything. We shouldn't pander to these people because let's face it, they will find something to get offended at anyway, we should just ignore them.


Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 13:34:00 - [72]
 

How is it that this is annoying to anyone ?
There's always a synonym...

Rjaiajik Kajvoril
Amarr
Cloak and Daggers
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.28 13:36:00 - [73]
 

It's bothering people because it's blocking legitimate words, and longer words that just happen to have 4 letters in it in a certain order. It needs sorting.

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.12.28 13:57:00 - [74]
 

My autopilot voice is crackling. Is this a sound card issue?

Also there is no synonym for S****horpe. Charles ****ens would not approve.

Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
Posted - 2007.12.28 14:00:00 - [75]
 

word filters are moronic.

please make it a changeable option at the very least.


Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.12.28 14:49:00 - [76]
 

My autistic stepbrother is clinically ******ed, and he does not dislike crackers.

^^ Says it all really. And yes, I really have an autistic stepbrother.

JamnOne
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.28 16:25:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Ky Vatta
Originally by: Tharrn
Poor sniggerdly :P



Rolling EyesThat`s because americans think it should be spelled Snickerdly (which doesn`t make sense at all, someone send CCP an Oxford English DictionaryWink)
Hmm, don't know if it is an American thing or not but this is what I have learned about the two words, if you will notice it appears as if s****** is an alteration to the word snicker based off of the dates and the Etymology.

s******[1,intransitive verb]

Main Entry: 1snig·ger
Pronunciation: \ˈsni-gər\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): snig·gered; snig·ger·ing \-g(ə-)riŋ\
Etymology: by alteration
Date: circa 1706

Main Entry: 1snick·er
Pronunciation: \ˈsni-kər\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): snick·ered; snick·er·ing \-k(ə-)riŋ\
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1694

Lorz0r
Imperial Syndicate Forces
Posted - 2007.12.28 16:38:00 - [78]
 

basically whoever thought that the word cr4ck needed to be censored is a moron

how can you even use that word offensively??

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.28 16:43:00 - [79]
 

It is highly annoying. I mean, here I go trolling ships and modules again to say some ship is not fittable (f i t t a b l e) and it bloody censors me.

I mean, seriously, what, the ship in question is insulted by my insinuation it's not fittable? Wtf is up with that?

Bish Ounen
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.12.28 16:54:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Bish Ounen on 28/12/2007 17:12:00
Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: Ky Vatta
Originally by: Tharrn
Poor sniggerdly :P



Rolling EyesThat`s because americans think it should be spelled Snickerdly (which doesn`t make sense at all, someone send CCP an Oxford English DictionaryWink)
Hmm, don't know if it is an American thing or not but this is what I have learned about the two words, if you will notice it appears as if s****** is an alteration to the word snicker based off of the dates and the Etymology.

s******[1,intransitive verb]

Main Entry: 1snig·ger
Pronunciation: \ˈsni-gər\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): snig·gered; snig·ger·ing \-g(ə-)riŋ\
Etymology: by alteration
Date: circa 1706

Main Entry: 1snick·er
Pronunciation: \ˈsni-kər\
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): snick·ered; snick·er·ing \-k(ə-)riŋ\
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1694


That and the fact that there is NO WORD "Sniggardly", or "Sniggerdly", or "Snickerdly". Those words don't exist in the English language, not even as Slang.

As you noted, there IS a word "snigger", and you provided a very nice definition, thank you. Of course, there is also the word "Niggardly" which I defined in my previous post up at the top of page 3 of this thread.

That particular word was involved in a huge uproar here in the States within the last 2 years due to someone using it in a school function (used it in it's appropriate context and meaning as well). The local "African American" populace got wind of it's use via people that were there, and a huge national uproar was started. I can only assume that was due to the fact that it sounds very much like the "N-Word" which many "people of color" rightly find highly offensive.

Ultimately though, the people that got upset ended up humiliated when the real meaning of the word was blasted all over national television and they were made to look like ignorant rubes. The scandal died down almost as quickly as it started.

And I think that's the real lesson about censorship; When we begin to prevent the use of some words simply due to the fact that some people might be offended by them, it leads to a "loss of language" where both the meaning of words, and general literacy gets lost in the desire to not offend. In the end, society gets poorer and less interesting because of it.

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Hamfast
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:06:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Rjaiajik Kajvoril
But let's face it, what judge would take the case seriously? Yes it could happen, but if people worry about every sue happy person who could have a problem with them they will never do anything. We shouldn't pander to these people because let's face it, they will find something to get offended at anyway, we should just ignore them.




My sister is a teacher, her School District has forbidden the use of all Disney materials because Disney successfully sued a teacher for showing her class a Disney movie...

A Lady was awarded Millions by a court when she opened the top of her coffee and placed the cup between her legs while driving, hit a bump and found out the coffee was hot...

Need I go on?

All it takes is an "Offended" person, a lawyer (the term shyster comes to mind) and a Judge with an agenda...

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:10:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Hamfast
A Lady was awarded Millions by a court when she opened the top of her coffee and placed the cup between her legs while driving, hit a bump and found out the coffee was hot...

That one is an urban legend. One of the details out of those you list is true but she wasn't driving and the cup was closed. She was burned by the paper.

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:11:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Lorz0r
basically whoever thought that the word cr4ck needed to be censored is a moron

how can you even use that word offensively??


Lay down the crack pipe if you can't see how this can be used offensively.

On the other hand making comments on sniffing a bunch of lines of coke isn't blocked in any way.

But meh messages like these should be moderated and not some filter since the word crack is used in a lot of different words, just as line and coke.

Kas Riel
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:20:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Kas Riel on 28/12/2007 18:22:12
kinda amusing that you can't say things like crack on the forum (cr4ck) because they're worried somebody will get offended and file a lawsuit.. but come on if you can get away with unexpected downtimes (not many i admit) and you know the whole boot.ini thing without any worries whats the problem?

oh and that picture a while back on the front page? you know the one of somebody getting shot in the face..

that couldn't have been taken as offensive AT ALL

oh and before somebody starts screaming EULA!!

just make a little check box in your settings that says your over 18/21 or whatever the legal age is in your part of the world and that any offending that goes on has nothing at all to do with CCP

Suzerain
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:29:00 - [85]
 

I never understood why some of the bits like "feg" that's f.e.g, in for example, safeguard is filtered.
just what exactly is to feg in Iceland, do I even dare ask?

and, really, referring to the executed leader of iraq, particularly given h*ssein is a common name akin to filtering Jones or something, is a bit daft.

personally, I am a firm believer that anything that is history should not be filtered. H*tler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Tito.... sorry, t*to. (because of cause, boobies are unfiltered, but t*ts are. I am of course, talking about birds there, too...) Pinochet... the list goes on. who are we, as people to censor history and in doing so, deny that such events happened. Yes, the leader of the national socialist party of germany from 1933 to 1945 was a monster... but to erase the name is political correctness gone mad.


Danae Melios
Ordo Ars Scientia
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:37:00 - [86]
 

I have a feeling that crack was filtered because of the EU. Back in beta, I heard that there were issues with getting the game approved because creating and smuggling illegal drugs (boosters) would be part of gameplay. I suspect that the reference to Gallente being of French origin was because at the time France held the head spot in the EU (I'm American, so I'm not sure-- is it the President of the EU? Prime Minister? Chief Operating Officer?) and this was meant to appease the French ego and help Eve through what I understand was a rocky approval track.

Because of the illegal drug issue, I have thought that that word filter was specifically to impress how strongly CCP stood against actual drug smuggling activities.

On the other hand, maybe they just bought the word filter's definition bank from some other site, and slapped it in and haven't devoted resources to updating it.

Hamfast
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:38:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: Hamfast
A Lady was awarded Millions by a court when she opened the top of her coffee and placed the cup between her legs while driving, hit a bump and found out the coffee was hot...

That one is an urban legend. One of the details out of those you list is true but she wasn't driving and the cup was closed. She was burned by the paper.


Story

I stand corrected...

Cpt Syrinx
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:41:00 - [88]
 

"so how does one crack a 10/10 complex?"

Making such a question impossible is quite silly, and condescending as well. Most of us are adults that should not require to be moderated by such a system. For those who cannot handle that responsibility themselves, those that read anything offensive can simply be adult enough to ignore it. If they absolutely feel offended they report the poster, not something that would generate towers of work for the forum moderators.

Children are to be moderated by their parents, its not CCP's responsibility. If a flawed system would appoint that responsibility to CCP avoiding it in this manner is not the way to go.

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:43:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 28/12/2007 18:45:41
Originally by: Hamfast
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: Hamfast
A Lady was awarded Millions by a court when she opened the top of her coffee and placed the cup between her legs while driving, hit a bump and found out the coffee was hot...

That one is an urban legend. One of the details out of those you list is true but she wasn't driving and the cup was closed. She was burned by the paper.


Story

I stand corrected...


Note that I'm not disputing whether burning yourself with coffee and getting a fortune in damages is over the top. But it's one of those stories that gets better every time it's told. I suffered burns over most of my legs from cocoa as a child. It was knocked over by someone else and all. Nobody got sued.

Lorz0r
Imperial Syndicate Forces
Posted - 2007.12.28 18:45:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: Lorz0r
basically whoever thought that the word cr4ck needed to be censored is a moron

how can you even use that word offensively??


Lay down the crack pipe if you can't see how this can be used offensively.

On the other hand making comments on sniffing a bunch of lines of coke isn't blocked in any way.

But meh messages like these should be moderated and not some filter since the word crack is used in a lot of different words, just as line and coke.


yeah as you said yourself - that's ridiculous because then you have to censor every single word that could be used any offensive sentance imagined. Where does it stop?


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