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mishkof
Caldari
Dirty Denizens
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:49:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


Fail.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:56:00 - [32]
 

Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues.

Haurik Tagelston
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:39:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues.


Yep, first WTZ, then jumpbridges (+ more players are joining TQ every day)

Van Steiza
4 chan
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:39:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues.


Go take ur small fail of n alliance and jump in a river.

Nilithiel
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:44:00 - [35]
 

heh... nice going in ccp.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2007.12.16 02:31:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


OMG, OMG.
I still remember the lats time a GM said something similar: The infamous Drone Regions Ore problem... (8 months for the Devs to realize the community was right, and the ore was not respawning... Which was obvious from the very first week)

Will it happen again?

Luckily, this is affecting everyone, and not just a localized faction/alliance/coalition... So it will get checked, I`m sure. ugh


Moonminer
Posted - 2007.12.16 04:09:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07
Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be.

mishkof
Caldari
Dirty Denizens
Posted - 2007.12.16 04:20:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Moonminer
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07
Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be.


Sure thing altboy.

The afore mantioned dev response displaying the fact they dont know about the issue in the first place really solidifies your point.

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.16 04:26:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Moonminer
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07
Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be.


Sure thing altboy.

The afore mantioned dev response displaying the fact they dont know about the issue in the first place really solidifies your point.



How do they not know? ppl have had petitions about bridges since 20 minutes after trinity went live.


Westly Synpa
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 04:27:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Moonminer
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17
Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07
Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be.


You have to flame them when they are being stupid to get a resonse if you look posts with flames are the ones that get responses the fastest.

duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 04:50:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


How can you NOT be aware of this problem? I have, and I suspect MANY MANY MANY people have sent petitions asking this be fixed? Do you not have some sort of escalation procedure for petitions when things are clearly broken?

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2007.12.16 05:00:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Loyal Servant on 16/12/2007 05:10:37
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


HAHA.
GOT FORUM SEARCH?
I thought you guys 'read the forums on a regular basis'
Your killing me... you have got to be joking, right?

Shocked

Guess we know the devs 'rarely' read the boards.
Rolling Eyes


Edit:
Come to think about this....
The devs boast that they play this game, right?
The devs supposedly are in alliance, regular corps, etc....

If these devs play this game, how can they not be in any major alliance that is holding space and not have some knowledge of the jump bridge issue?

Unless they are not in any big alliances, or they simply do not play.
Even that argument does not hold water to the fact that this bug is on a page with post deployment errata and the forums are swamped with this as well as the post deployment thread and the pre-patch thread on these forums.

Shocked

Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
Posted - 2007.12.16 05:10:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.



EPIC.....FREAKIN......FAIL!!!!!

Funny how you say you're reading the boards on a saturday, what about the rest of the week?????? Theres been COUNTLESS threads, petitions, and bug reports sent. How muchare theypaying you over there to sit on your tail and come up with this form letter of a response?

Get the hell in to gear and start reading through your OWN threads about this issue instead of giving cookie cutter answers on this issue.

Morn Judith
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.16 05:51:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.



EPIC.....FREAKIN......FAIL!!!!!

Funny how you say you're reading the boards on a saturday, what about the rest of the week?????? Theres been COUNTLESS threads, petitions, and bug reports sent. How muchare theypaying you over there to sit on your tail and come up with this form letter of a response?

Get the hell in to gear and start reading through your OWN threads about this issue instead of giving cookie cutter answers on this issue.


You're kidding, right? Really, please be kidding. You do realize that he works for CCP, and thus gets paid when hes AT work, Monday through Friday, therefore on Saturday, when he's AT HOME, reading the forums, that he is NOT getting paid? So, he is sitting at home technically working, and not getting paid.

This man is doing this for us, and you're bagging on him? What in the hell kind of person are you?

He doesn't spend time on the forums at work because he is working on fixing the problems. Can you understand this? Give the man a break, be thankful he isn't chasing those beautiful Icelandic women around, and shut up. Please.

Xalorn
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 05:58:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp

"Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings."

How does the "Software Director" not know of an issue listed on his own Known Issues page?


Caia
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.12.16 06:04:00 - [46]
 

Yeah, way too go guys. Make sure Devs stop posting altogether. By all means keep jumping in him when he was ASKED to respond. ugh

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2007.12.16 06:25:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Caia
Yeah, way too go guys. Make sure Devs stop posting altogether. By all means keep jumping in him when he was ASKED to respond. ugh


Some research before posting would have paid off.
If this was not such a big deal to so many people he might have come thru it a little cleaner.

Problem is that it is obvious that one guy does not know what the other is doing in the development team.

Trinity Faetal
Gallente
Little Garden
Posted - 2007.12.16 08:01:00 - [48]
 

thats odd i don't seem to have any problem with jump bridges at all.

Tenshiin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 08:14:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Tenshiin on 16/12/2007 08:14:24
Jumpbridges work only for the corporation that OWNS them, not for the whole alliance.

It was even stated in the trinity known issues the day after the release, I mean damn... How could you guys not know about it?

It doesn't make sense.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp

"Post-Deployment Issues"
"Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings."

Thaneal Swiftbird
Posted - 2007.12.16 08:28:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: duckmonster

How can you NOT be aware of this problem? I have, and I suspect MANY MANY MANY people have sent petitions asking this be fixed? Do you not have some sort of escalation procedure for petitions when things are clearly broken?


Actually they really donīt. I was told by a GM that GameMasters in eve have no way to escalate information about bugs/design flaws to the devs. Said GM asked me to post in the game development forum instead. That was long before Trinity and the chaos it brought. Go figure. Crying or Very sad

Bund
Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.16 08:52:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 15/12/2007 22:52:00
Originally by: Kaalixia
I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time...
Please do, I'm all for having these issues fixed (which is why I'm reading the forums on a Saturday evening gathering information). We have a task force currently working on POS issues; it includes GMs and Devs, so there is a central place to channel all these reports.


The fact that this defect isn't near the top of your priority list is an indication that there is a very serious breakdown somewhere in your current bug process.

In addition to actually resolving the Jump Bridge problem itself, it would probably be good to take a second look at the process you have in place for dealing with game-breaking problems like these. Everyone in 0.0 who has jump bridges has been screaming about this problem since the moment the servers came up with Trinity. It isn't reassuring to learn that this is the first you're hearing of it, 10 days after the patch.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.16 08:57:00 - [52]
 

It's a sound communication strategy, until you get caught I suppose.

Helen
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.12.16 09:04:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Trinity Faetal
thats odd i don't seem to have any problem with jump bridges at all.


Laughing

Bo Bojangles
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.12.16 09:04:00 - [54]
 

....

Maybe this guy was on vacation or something. But fix it please,.. I'm way past the point of screaming from people logging in and asking the same,.. 'JB's back up yet?'

farfrael
FP Enterprise
Posted - 2007.12.16 11:03:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: farfrael on 16/12/2007 11:04:15
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
It's a sound communication strategy, until you get caught I suppose.



Lies, lies. it's all lies Laughing
Somebody feels like doing a photoshop of good old Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf?
I'd use it as my sig (the first one in 3 years of playing !)

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There are NO bugs in Trinity! There never was any ! What you see is not a bug!

Al'hayat Wolflord
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.12.16 11:36:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 15/12/2007 22:52:00
Originally by: Kaalixia
I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time...
Please do, I'm all for having these issues fixed (which is why I'm reading the forums on a Saturday evening gathering information). We have a task force currently working on POS issues; it includes GMs and Devs, so there is a central place to channel all these reports.


LOLGM

Doesn't it occur to you that JBs not working warrants a ban or at least a limitation of POS warfare? People build their entire defense network based upon the Jump Bridge capability. Now it's screwed and yet you happily allow their sovereign regions to be shot to hell.

Fabienne Runestar
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 13:17:00 - [57]
 

Not that I want to appologize for CCP here but lets look at it this way.

Lead Dev reads the forums on Saturday night. See a problem, that might not be high on his personal radar. Then responds to it. Just because he is not personally aware of the problem doesn't mean CCP is not working on it. The problem is just outside of his scope of personal knowledge. He's not at the office. He can't call out to Ulf, and say "Ulf, do we have a problem with Jumpbridges?" He doesn't probably have the ability to check on bug reports, because that would require local access to the internal CCP network. He may or may not have VPN access to. So what does he do? He posts to the forum asking if a bug report had been filed. when he sees that it has he asks that they be attached to a defect #, that he probably pulled from his work e-mail.

Then again, I could be wrong, and welp...


Raevenor
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.16 13:43:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Raevenor on 16/12/2007 13:43:48
Man CCP sure can keep track of which of their dev's play the game and what alliances they are in but don't realize that Jump Bridges are broken? Jesus, what the hell i know this is your first game and all but the dev's statement above is an absolute lie and you guys know its a lie. You knew all along but the pressure finally built up and 'welp' guess you finally have to do something when every 0.0 alliance in the game with multiple corps not being able to use jump bridges properly since Trinity suddenly brought it to your attention recently? Bull****, at least be honest with us, its not hard. You know like 'Yes, we know there is currently an issue with Jump Bridges we are working on it' or something to that effect. But saying out right WE HAD NO IDEA until recently? What the christ? This has to be a troll right? Yep, has to be, theres no other way to explain it.

*sips Mojito*

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.12.16 14:04:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Bo Bojangles
....

Maybe this guy was on vacation or something. But fix it please,.. I'm way past the point of screaming from people logging in and asking the same,.. 'JB's back up yet?'


Dude, its a problem, and for those serious into logistics, its a serious problem. If you understand this, why are you screaming?

Sin mez
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2007.12.16 14:16:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Xalorn
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports.


http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp

"Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings."

How does the "Software Director" not know of an issue listed on his own Known Issues page?




QFT


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