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Denuo Secus
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:33:00 - [1]
 

Hi Zealot pilots!

Can you tell me your reasons to choose a Zealot instead of a Sacrilege?
I need some help with a decision :)

I know, Zealot isn't really the _best_ HAC. But I like lasers! EFT said me: a Sacrilege has a much better tank, similar damage (with drones), drones :) and is only a bit slower. I see just one advantage on the Zealot side: with Scorch I can shoot up to 40km without reloading or changing "ammo".

Are there some arguments for a Zealot?

Thanks!

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:35:00 - [2]
 

EFT is not eve..

thats why i choose Zealot. and my alt doesnt have missile skills :P

zealot has insta dmg.. can be quite fast and does quite awesome dmg

me bored
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:36:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Denuo Secus
EFT


Rolling Eyes

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:37:00 - [4]
 

Because the zealot pew pews....YARRRR!!

Zhaine
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:38:00 - [5]
 

Faster, more range, don't have missile skills, plus I'll fly it now and then anyway for the variety when I do have missile skills.

Oh and more lows so you go with two or three damage mods and pretty much all the speed modules you'll want.

And if you do tank them both fully they have a similar tank, although the Sac's better cap, capless weapons and resist bonus do win out over two less lows imo.

mallina
Caldari
SUNDERING
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:39:00 - [6]
 

Zealot is a great anti-support boat and can make short work of frigs and most nanoHACs due to the excellent tracking and range of Heavy Pulse with Scorch.

Sacrilege on the other hand is unable to do much (if any) damage to the faster ships (particually Vagabonds) due to HAM low explosion velocity. Paired up with a Huginn however they're amazing.

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:41:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: VoYvod on 12/12/2007 10:41:58
Edited by: VoYvod on 12/12/2007 10:41:21
Originally by: Denuo Secus
Hi Zealot pilots!

Can you tell me your reasons to choose a Zealot instead of a Sacrilege?
I need some help with a decision :)

I know, Zealot isn't really the _best_ HAC. But I like lasers! EFT said me: a Sacrilege has a much better tank, similar damage (with drones), drones :) and is only a bit slower. I see just one advantage on the Zealot side: with Scorch I can shoot up to 40km without reloading or changing "ammo".

Are there some arguments for a Zealot?

Thanks!


a long time ago in eve amarr t2 ships actually used lasers , so most of the people that can fly these t2 ships have lots of skillpoints in gunnery , now ccp wanted to **** off almost all of the amarr pilots and change half the ships into missile boats when most amarr pilots have no skillpoints in missiles , i fly the zealot because i can use the t2 lasers and prefer the instant damage and the several mill in gunnery i have compared to my 1 mill in missiles, and the zealot looks way better

Kay Rissa
Extreme Carebears
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:42:00 - [8]
 

quite simple, I dont have missile skills and I am not prepared to spent 2-3 months training them. Thats why many ppl choose zealot.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:42:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 12/12/2007 10:42:15
Originally by: Denuo Secus
EFT said me



joke post?

please let it beLaughing

Denuo Secus
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:43:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Riho
EFT is not eve..


Of course. But it's a good alternative for me (without HAC skillz at this moment) to test and compare.

Originally by: Riho
...very popular whit whiners these days...


I do not whine. I _want_ a Zealot!

Originally by: Riho
zealot has insta dmg.. can be quite fast and does quite awesome dmg


Thanks for that information!

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:44:00 - [11]
 

plz just stop with that eft ...
and play actual game

Zhaine
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:46:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Zhaine on 12/12/2007 10:48:37
Originally by: VoYvod

a long time ago in eve amarr t2 ships actually used lasers , so most of the people that can fly these t2 ships have lots of skillpoints in gunnery , now ccp wanted to **** off almost all of the amarr pilots and change half the ships into missile boats when most amarr pilots have no skillpoints in missiles



Khanid Mark II was a widely requested and much liked change. If you don't like it because *gasp* you have to train another weapon system to use a previously awful and now much improved line of ships then fine, but please don't speak for "almost all of the amarr pilots" when you're voicing your minority opinion.

btw before you ask please read above, I'm saying this as an Amarr pilot with no missile skills.

Edit: And to all the people flaming the OP with the "EFT is not Eve" thing. Well yes I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly when posted in a dumb whine or stupid set up thread, but the guys is just curious and asking a simple question (maybe he phrased it badly) so give him a break.

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:49:00 - [13]
 

@ topic
cos zealot goes pew pew pew ?

VoYvod
Imperial Crusade Extremists.
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:52:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: VoYvod on 12/12/2007 10:57:17
Originally by: Zhaine
Edited by: Zhaine on 12/12/2007 10:48:37
Originally by: VoYvod

a long time ago in eve amarr t2 ships actually used lasers , so most of the people that can fly these t2 ships have lots of skillpoints in gunnery , now ccp wanted to **** off almost all of the amarr pilots and change half the ships into missile boats when most amarr pilots have no skillpoints in missiles



Khanid Mark II was a widely requested and much liked change. If you don't like it because *gasp* you have to train another weapon system to use a previously awful and now much improved line of ships then fine, but please don't speak for "almost all of the amarr pilots" when you're voicing your minority opinion.

btw before you ask please read above, I'm saying this as an Amarr pilot with no missile skills.

Edit: And to all the people flaming the OP with the "EFT is not Eve" thing. Well yes I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly when posted in a dumb whine or stupid set up thread, but the guys is just curious and asking a simple question (maybe he phrased it badly) so give him a break.


oh,ok let me understand, a person that specialized in just amarr had misiles skills b4 the khanid changes according to what you're saying Rolling Eyes

the ships could of been improved another way - didn't have to completely change the weapon systems ...

ok yes , i was an amarr pilot specialized in lasers *gasp* i must of been foolish to do this. When the khanid 2 changes came into play almost all of my t2 ships were completely useless for over a month, coulda atleast gave more warning about the changes Smile

Lowanaera
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.12.12 10:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: mallina


Sacrilege on the other hand is unable to do much (if any) damage to the faster ships (particually Vagabonds) due to HAM low explosion velocity. Paired up with a Huginn however they're amazing.


Sacri can permarun MWD + Scram + Web, and it can pulse a neut in the utility high to exploit the Vaga's biggest weakness: low cap. Sacri won't do much damage to a nano ship if you just blindly go in shooting, but if you properly use it it's extremely deadly against other nano ships.

zilllii
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:00:00 - [16]
 

sacrilidge isnt a amarr ship its a half caldari and half gallente bastid.

amarr players were bred on the gunship philosophy and sac isnt amarr so to speak.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:30:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lowanaera
Originally by: mallina


Sacrilege on the other hand is unable to do much (if any) damage to the faster ships (particually Vagabonds) due to HAM low explosion velocity. Paired up with a Huginn however they're amazing.


Sacri can permarun MWD + Scram + Web, and it can pulse a neut in the utility high to exploit the Vaga's biggest weakness: low cap. Sacri won't do much damage to a nano ship if you just blindly go in shooting, but if you properly use it it's extremely deadly against other nano ships.



If you're inside neut range you're inside overheated web range, at which point the vaga dies a horrible death.

Kel Dario
Amarr
Blue Sky Inc
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:31:00 - [18]
 

I'm a Amarr who trained for and learned to fly Caldari because of lasers being sub-par when shooting angels. That was when I lived in angel space a year ago. Then I went back to Amarr ships and trained up all skills to 5 (for bs, hac pulse, beam) and specs to 4.

While fun it was more for I wanted to be ready for a CCP boost of amarr (what can I say I'm a optimist). Then with the redesign of the Sacrilege I got happy in my pants and went over to it instead. With my already trained missile skills the transition was easy. I haven't looked back at the Zealot since then.

So would I ever take a Zealot over a Sacrilege? 9 times out of 10 probably not... not until CCP fixes the EM inbalance and the dps of the Zealot. As for the rest of the Amarr a few ships are nice but most suffer from all the problems that been mentioned on these pages a billion times already....

Why should anyone else choose a Zealot... 'cuz you wan't to snipe? Because you accidently choose Amarr as your starting race when new to EVE and therefor have zero missile skills? 'cuz you are diehard amarr ship fan that flies them daily even if people constantly kick your teeth in?

You tell me why....


Kalek Astroth
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:35:00 - [19]
 

sacri > zealot ,

but when you need a fleet anti support ship zealot is the way to

go , due to the nice dmg + 40km range

with the improved engine is also a joy to seeWink

Dahak2150
Arm of Orion
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:45:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kel Dario
'cuz you are diehard amarr ship fan that flies them daily even if people constantly kick your teeth in?



<--- o/

Cpt Constantinus
Corp 54
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:55:00 - [21]
 

Well, the Zealot might currently be a bit underpowered ( 5. turret or at least 5 small drones would be nice ) but it still has some strenghts which are...

- Good range, ( makes it a great anti-support sniper with beams)
- high speed, even without overdrives and nanos
- good tracking

If thats enough for you then fly the Zealot, if it isnt the fly the Sacri

Horus Dark
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:57:00 - [22]
 

Only use a zealot if your to lazy to train missles :P

Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:26:00 - [23]
 

sacrilidge will move at 2.5 k/s with 90 across the board and dual reps.

If i see one in my vaga, i straight up leave.

Zhaine
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:39:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: VoYvod
Edited by: VoYvod on 12/12/2007 10:57:17
Originally by: Zhaine
Edited by: Zhaine on 12/12/2007 10:48:37
Originally by: VoYvod

a long time ago in eve amarr t2 ships actually used lasers , so most of the people that can fly these t2 ships have lots of skillpoints in gunnery , now ccp wanted to **** off almost all of the amarr pilots and change half the ships into missile boats when most amarr pilots have no skillpoints in missiles



Khanid Mark II was a widely requested and much liked change. If you don't like it because *gasp* you have to train another weapon system to use a previously awful and now much improved line of ships then fine, but please don't speak for "almost all of the amarr pilots" when you're voicing your minority opinion.

btw before you ask please read above, I'm saying this as an Amarr pilot with no missile skills.

Edit: And to all the people flaming the OP with the "EFT is not Eve" thing. Well yes I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly when posted in a dumb whine or stupid set up thread, but the guys is just curious and asking a simple question (maybe he phrased it badly) so give him a break.


oh,ok let me understand, a person that specialized in just amarr had misiles skills b4 the khanid changes according to what you're saying Rolling Eyes

the ships could of been improved another way - didn't have to completely change the weapon systems ...

ok yes , i was an amarr pilot specialized in lasers *gasp* i must of been foolish to do this. When the khanid 2 changes came into play almost all of my t2 ships were completely useless for over a month, coulda atleast gave more warning about the changes Smile


Jesus Hieronymus Christ. . .

Point <---------------------------------------> You


And by that I mean you completely and utterly missed the point of my post, in case the above is went over your head too.


Any Amarr pilot will be specced in lasers of course, and a lot probably didn't have missile skills before Khanid II went live. No where did I even come close to saying the opposite. Please, and I'm completely serious here, point out where you think that I did.

I'm sure a lot of Caldari pilots don't have hybrid skills and the Rohk is T1 BS. I'm sure a lot of pure Minmatar specced characters don't have great missile or drone skills and the 'phoon is a T1 BS. I could go on but none of this really relates to my original point. You know, the one that you completely missed with your reply, which is (deep breath):

That you presumed to speak for all Amarr specced pilots in damning the Khanid II line when in fact it was originally an idea put forward by the community and a much welcomed change by most Amarr. Are you actually going to deny this point? Like I said if you don't like it then fine, but don't erroneously speak for others.

Quote:
coulda atleast gave more warning about the changes


Ok that bit just made me laugh and made you look even more stpuid. I don't think I need to expand on that except to say: There. Was. Plenty. Of. Warning.

Quote:
When the khanid 2 changes came into play almost all of my t2 ships were completely useless for over a month


What? Just what? For Gods sake CCP retained the turret slots on all Khanid II ships to cater for people like you, and for every single missile using Khanid II ship (ie discounting the Curse and Anathema as they generally don't use them) there is a laser using ship of the same class:

Sac - Zealot
Vengeance - Retribution
Malediction - Crusader
Damnation - Absolution

I fail just what on earth you're on about there? Please elaborate, please, I'm genuinely intrigued as to where that particular gem of logical ineptitude originated.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Denuo Secus
Hi Zealot pilots!

Can you tell me your reasons to choose a Zealot instead of a Sacrilege?
I need some help with a decision :)

I know, Zealot isn't really the _best_ HAC. But I like lasers! EFT said me: a Sacrilege has a much better tank, similar damage (with drones), drones :) and is only a bit slower. I see just one advantage on the Zealot side: with Scorch I can shoot up to 40km without reloading or changing "ammo".

Are there some arguments for a Zealot?

Thanks!


To put it very simple:

Zealot for bigger fleet stuff and anti frig support and gate camps.

Sacri for fast roaming (zealot actually works here too), for solo and low sec (this is where sacri outperforms by a large margin.)

Denuo Secus
Posted - 2007.12.12 13:14:00 - [26]
 

Thanks a lot for your responses!

DeadRow
Caldari
Damnation Angels
Posted - 2007.12.12 13:42:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 12/12/2007 10:42:15
Originally by: Denuo Secus
EFT said me



joke post?

please let it beLaughing


it has an inbuilt AI now, its domination of the world begins today!

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.12 13:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: DeadRow
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 12/12/2007 10:42:15
Originally by: Denuo Secus
EFT said me



joke post?

please let it beLaughing


it has an inbuilt AI now, its domination of the world begins today!

run for teh hilz ?

Julio Torres
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.12.12 14:28:00 - [29]
 

Personally I think the Sac lacks dps.
Ofcourse it might be related to my 160k skill points in missiles vs 10mill in gunnery :)

Zealot rawks!

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.12.12 14:38:00 - [30]
 

Always take EFT/QuickFit with a grain of salt. The values aren't going to match up, the numbers only give an indication of a ship's potential, especially regarding DPS. Drones have travel time (not included in EFT's calculations) tracking issues are not calculated (2000 dps is nice, but if you only have 0.001 tracking you're not going to do even 1 dps on anything).


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