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Kalidann
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.12 11:59:00 - [31]
 

The condor is good for doing the worlds collide level 1 mission with a freshly created character.

DARTHxFREE
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:12:00 - [32]
 

It's not his fault, he just is unsure of what a tackler is.

Tackler is a ship that catches the enemy, it has to be
Fast Speed
Fast Warp - Hyena 6au/sec?
Fast Targeting - EWAR marginly better then Dessy
CHEEP - No poly carbon,faction
Expendable to some extent
Evasive tank - EWAR 2x sig radius

Stiletto has about +60% Scan Resolution thats a pod killer.
Only thing the EWAR has against the INTY is the strong sensors, defence against tacklers is often EC-600 then warp out before the DPS arives

MitchPT
Shade.
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:28:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove


Seriously, what is the Condor good for??



To invent and build Crows and Raptors, what else??? Wink

Maeltstome
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:30:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: DARTHxFREE
It's not his fault, he just is unsure of what a tackler is.

Tackler is a ship that catches the enemy, it has to be
Fast Speed
Fast Warp - Hyena 6au/sec?
Fast Targeting - EWAR marginly better then Dessy
CHEEP - No poly carbon,faction
Expendable to some extent
Evasive tank - EWAR 2x sig radius

Stiletto has about +60% Scan Resolution thats a pod killer.
Only thing the EWAR has against the INTY is the strong sensors, defence against tacklers is often EC-600 then warp out before the DPS arives


Like all things in eve, its all about what situation your in. Speed is handy for keeping a point on a target offgate, but what if you have to stop a large target thats re-approaching while you're 2 jumps ahead of a gang?

The plated punisher or dual repping vengence are your ships of choice for tackling heavy targets. Ofc a huginn with a faction scram is equally effective, if a little more expensive :)

NoNah
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:32:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)

Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII
Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II
Highs: whatever
Rigs: 2x polycarbs I

Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.


Awesome setup. Care to show me how it does in space? Wink

Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:38:00 - [36]
 

I love the way he is saying he is better/played longer than everyone else, then mentions that sacrileges use skirmish gang mods.

Zhaine
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:44:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dahak2150
May I talk condescending to people who are smarter than me too?


You have to post an utterly laughable and ridiculous set up with complete seriousness first. . . Very Happy

DARTHxFREE
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:44:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 12/12/2007 12:45:00
Spot the Differance

Phoenicia
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:50:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: DARTHxFREE
Edited by: DARTHxFREE on 12/12/2007 12:45:00
Spot the Differance


I spotted one! People are still trying to be serious in that one Laughing

Xzar Fyrarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2007.12.12 12:59:00 - [40]
 

Assuming that there are no huginn's are the opposing forces side.
Assuming that there are no smart bombs.
Assuming that there are no ECM ers.
And assuming a whole lot of things.
This setup is good, IF your talking about a whole *lot* of controlled situations.
Other than having the advantage of a controlled enviroment... I really can't see the use of that setup...

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.12 13:22:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove
Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 11:53:27
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove
Edited by: ThroatWarbler Mangrove on 12/12/2007 10:58:21
This is pretty funny. I'm happy enough to have my MWD-equipped Merlin that can manage a whole 1.7km/s with my <2M skill points. Plus it don't cost anything so I can get blasted endlessly in the tackling role and just come back with another. The joys of noobyness Very Happy


actually, you can do faster, and cheaper in a condor, that is if you want to play with 2 meds onlyWink


Wow, the choices for that whole 1 med slot left after the MWD is fitted would be mind boggling Wink Truly the Condor is l33t! Laughing

Seriously, what is the Condor good for??


bar being faster than the merlin?

well...




refining?Laughing

Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The humble Crew
Posted - 2007.12.12 14:40:00 - [42]
 

Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.

I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.

I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)

I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.

This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.12 15:02:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov
Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.

I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.

I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)

I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.

This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)


Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.


Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.12 15:07:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov
Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.

I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.

I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)

I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.

This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)


Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.


Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.



exactly that.

a T2 fitted-only Hyena is not an omfgwtfpwnage tackler.
it's a decent tackler with it's shortcomings.

slap enough stuff there to make it as valuable as a freakin' carrier and of course it's overpowered.

still, if you invest the same ammount of isk to pimp out an inteceptor like, let's say, an ares, it will be much more faster, and it will lock down a target faster too.

Phoenicia
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.12 15:08:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way.


I was actually flaming him because he posts a setup and starts to get all superior/high & mighty/arrogant, when others point out certain flaws in his setup. Such as the cost.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.12.12 15:11:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: demonfurbie on 12/12/2007 21:19:18
not a ceptor

firetail

Drek Grapper
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.12.12 15:33:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 15:02:34
Originally by: Victor Ivanov
Hehe. OP gets flamed for being right.

I've got a hyena with t2 OD's, t2 mwd, with 1 disruptor and 2 webbers.

I happen to still own my snake clone, which gave me a top speed of exactly 10km/s while flying in gang yesterday, no particular noteworthy gang skills (I think skirmish warfare 3 or something. -_-)

I don't really see the problem here. It basically is an interceptor. It gets lowered sig radius, can web at 18 km at lvl 4, has high speed. Hell, it's like my Stilleto, just slightly slower and with a much higher web range.

This thing is the best tackler in game, bar none. Fit t2 stuff on it, and it's very cheap, quick and a pain in the butt for any nano gangs. :)


Actually, people were flaming him for making it cost about 200M more then your fit, not because the principle sucks in any way. When T2 fit, it's still fast and does a great job as a tackler for relatively low cost.


Next thing you know, we'll have a 'nerf the Hyena' thread citing his setup and saying it's overpowered, and then you'll have to flame people all over again.



OP posted the setup to flex epeen. End of.

Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The humble Crew
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:13:00 - [48]
 

Fair enough. :) My bad.

Hrm, I think I prefer the hyena over my inties though. Like said, I'm going near enough around 10km/s. Not THAT fast, but fast enough to catch most things, especially if you get a claymore in gang.

The sig radius is lowered to be more or less in line with interceptors. The scan resolution is slightly lower, but still frigate sized.

All in all, the extra webbing range balances out all of its shortcomings, in my eyes. Very very nice addition. Was thinking they were going to be useless when I first read their description, but the EAS have redeemed themselves in my eyes. :)

Except the kitsune. -_- I've never liked jamming much, because there is fairly little you can do to counter it. At least with damps you can try and get in close. I've got all the jam skills up at like.. lvl 3-4, and the kitsune can effectively perma jam one non-capital ship, or jam multiple ships with a lower chance of success, but still above 50%. =\ Did I mention I really really hate jamming? At least....when it's used one me. Twisted Evil

MITSUK0
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:35:00 - [49]
 

Setups like that are the reason gank Thrashers are so much fun to fly :)

I like to imagine the pilot crying as I squish the pod.


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:36:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Liang Nuren


WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?

And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?

-Liang


If you don't know what a Sacrilege means as nanoship then you've pretty much defined yourself Wink

And would you check for ex. the last ship I sold on forums you would know that the last I'm interested in are the mediocre fits at everybody's reach. Put in other words, when you can afford to use and LOOSE a Ferrari there's no reason to drive in a Golf...


I know perfectly what a Sacrilege means as a nano-ship, but you said for skirmish warfare. Did the Sacrilege randomly get the ability to mount skirmish mods?

WTF are you getting at with the sacrilege by implying that it somehow makes the Hyena even better?

And regardless you're looking at spending a couple of billion on your setup... try being just a ****ing bit more realistic.

You're like the crazy person that suggested fitting officer Mag Fields to an Ishkur because you can get an extra 20 DPS out of it. Rolling Eyes

-Liang

Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:50:00 - [51]
 


Ares

3x Overdrive II 1x Nanofiber II
1x 10mn MWD 1x Webifier t2 1x Disruptor t2
3x whatever

With most relevant skills to 4 and 5 make 7/8 km/s without even 1 item not just t2.

With 2x polycarbon (i fit them daily) and normal lvl4 gang bonus it do 9.5km/s for just 2 polycarbon.

Now, say wtf ya want but 8km/s are at least for beign a good tackler, if you cost less it means you will jump on the enemy fleet trying to stop some of them while ur bs arrive without crying if ya lose ur fancy ship ^^

Phoenicia
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:56:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Liam Fremen

1x 10mn MWD


Typo?


lag kills
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
Posted - 2007.12.12 16:59:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Liang Nuren


WTF does a Sacrilege have to do with skirmish warfare?

And stupid expensive fit BTW. Can you try to keep the cost somewhere under 200M (including implants) next time?

-Liang


If you don't know what a Sacrilege means as nanoship then you've pretty much defined yourself Wink

And would you check for ex. the last ship I sold on forums you would know that the last I'm interested in are the mediocre fits at everybody's reach. Put in other words, when you can afford to use and LOOSE a Ferrari there's no reason to drive in a Golf...


I know perfectly what a Sacrilege means as a nano-ship, but you said for skirmish warfare. Did the Sacrilege randomly get the ability to mount skirmish mods?

WTF are you getting at with the sacrilege by implying that it somehow makes the Hyena even better?

And regardless you're looking at spending a couple of billion on your setup... try being just a ****ing bit more realistic.

You're like the crazy person that suggested fitting officer Mag Fields to an Ishkur because you can get an extra 20 DPS out of it. Rolling Eyes

-Liang


Pretty sure he meant small-gang pvp, in general, when saying skirmish warfare. You know, because small fights are called skirmishes.

And a Sac is going to hit the ships he tackles a lot harder because they're webbed, making the two a good combo for roaming together.

All clear now?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.12.12 17:38:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: lag kills

Pretty sure he meant small-gang pvp, in general, when saying skirmish warfare. You know, because small fights are called skirmishes.

And a Sac is going to hit the ships he tackles a lot harder because they're webbed, making the two a good combo for roaming together.

All clear now?


Well considering that he was talking about the ship somehow magically being better by virtue of being in a gang with a Sacrilege, I had no choice but to assume that he was referring to Skirmish Warfare skill or mods.

Neither one were really applicable, hence my "wtf are joo smoking tonight?" comment.

It's like:
"yeah dude I was flying my battleship and got pwnt!"
"Wow, which one did you lose?"
"The rifter!"
"... The rifter is a frigate...."
"but its my BATTLE frigate!!!"


....


-Liang

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2007.12.12 17:52:00 - [55]
 



This just in...
Condors are great!

MWD + web = 2 seconds of webbing anything slower than 3500 m/s!

In those entire 2 whole seconds - your gang can hopefully catch up with its mighty merlins and kestrels and further web and scram the hapless victim of the condor! YARRRR!!

Be sure to arm it with 2 rocket launchers or you're a complete idiot.


NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.12 18:49:00 - [56]
 

Let me say that having run into Semkhet, it is very likely that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to speed.

Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Tague Corp
Posted - 2007.12.12 18:54:00 - [57]
 

Hello Mr Huginn.....Can I be your friend please?

Almarez
Setenta Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.12.12 19:53:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Semkhet
Hyena, stats with LG snakes (+ all speed hardwires except Shaqil)

Lows: 2x Domi OD's, PDSII
Mids: Gistii-A MWD, TS web, TS disruptor, small battery II
Highs: whatever
Rigs: 2x polycarbs I

Can either permamwd or run all mods for 2 1/2 minutes. 12.1 Km/sec (in gang ofc). Add a Sacrilege and you get a rather nasty skirmish warfare combo.


Why do people continue to Eve fit there way onto these forums. First of all, who the hell spends that much isk on such a small ship. All it takes is one heavy neut, or a neut from any of the Amarr neut/nos bonused ships and bye-bye Hyena.

Laura Baretta
Minmatar
Versatech Co.
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.12.12 20:10:00 - [59]
 

I'll buy 25 standard ceptors instead.

Semkhet
Dark Tornado
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2007.12.13 00:38:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Semkhet on 13/12/2007 00:49:49

After looking at the depressing amount of replies of people whose best virtue is to be blinded either by cost considerations or by their inability to extrapolate the impact of such a Hyena setup, I've decided to expand in detail in order not to give any chances to misunderstandings.

First, let me state that IMO EvE is not a popularity contest, I can care less about what people appreciate or not, and as anonymous characters you would suffer from acute egocentrism to think that I feel any need to convince someone about the matter at hand. Hence I'm merely serving data regardless of any other consideration, and what you do with this data mainly depends of your degree of comprehension and capacity to extrapolate.

Second, about balance. Contrary to chess for ex, this game will never be balanced because the only real balance exists when your abilities depend exclusively from your mind and the initial power relation is absolutely equal. When you inject luck and differing capabilities in a game, balance is gone forever.

Third, to the cost. This thread is about getting the most out of a Hyena regardless of cost considerations. The same way you won't enter into an Ebel shop complaining that you don't see any chinese watch without looking like a fool, don't come here saying it's too expensive: nobody obliges you to interact in a context out of your reach. Also, those who can't believe that frigs and cruisers weighting 500 mil or more are used in PvP can also leave the thread since they've little to talk about.

Fourth, to the abilities. Other frigs can go faster, other frigs can lock faster, other frigs enjoy faster warp speed. Yet, despite all this, we hear all day long people bragging on forums against uncatchable nanoships. And guess what ? No other frig can do what a pimped Hyena can do when hunting nanoships in belts or far from station/gates.

Only a single guy understood what this was about, and I'm not saying this because he's an alliance m8. Besides nobody remembered to replace this in the new context of nerfed sensor boosters and tracking comps.

Provided your skills are ok, the Hyena ends with only 14% less scan res than the default stats of a Crow. Forget about warp velocity, it's not meant to pursue lil stuff. Forget about hvy neuts except faction ones since against a BS you can set your orbit at 27Km. Forget about Curses, this Hyena can either disengage at will or get out of neut range in 3 seconds. Forget about being tracked by guns, damaged by missiles or drones. Forget about being tackled by another ceptor, pimped or not, since you can web him long before falling into his own web. Like any nanoship, the only threat you have to take care of are rapiers & huginns.

Ganged with a Sacrilege you can engage most nanoships. Tackling a nanoship near a belt with a conventional ceptor does not solve the problem of the target mwd'ing away when your gang warps to your inty unless you take the risk to suicide your ceptor by ordering to web the target. You usually still need a rapier/huginn, which are more skill intensive and not widespread.

The Hyena can disrupt and web, immune to everything except minnie recons, a sniper, or ecm. In the mean time, the Sacrilege can pwn the target on its lowest resists, sitting from as far as 65 Km. And if required, the Hyena will also ideally protect the Sac from other ceptors by enabling full missile & drone damage. Hence it's a very symbiotic relationship. Needless to say, a damage dealer sitting at 60 Km and a frig doing 12 Km/sec are ideally placed to disengage at will should things become difficult.

Prime targets are pimped vagas & ishtars. So yes, it's a 500 mil isk frig meant to be used in a 2-men gang hunting even more expensive HACs since some vagas cost up to 1.5 bil. Hence the ratio cost:risk is far from being unfavorable.

P.S: To the smartass who would come here bragging that a rapier could easy do the same job: you're wrong, he can't dodge gun fire nor evade missiles


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