open All Channels
seplocked Ships and Modules
blankseplocked Torp nerf
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

Xelexous
Caldari
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:22:00 - [1]
 

Torp nerf makes me want to just drop my three eve accounts. My primary character used torps. I would rather have a skill time exchange to move skills from missiles to something else and a ship/equipment exchange to get my isk back.

I wondered why when I went in guiristas extravaganza last night why I couldn't kill anything with my torps. Ended up doing the whole thing with drones and refitting the raven to cruise in the 5th stage to complete it.

NoNah
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:24:00 - [2]
 

What torp nerf? You mean the 33% damage increase?

Oh, and your sig will be nerfed shortly. Perhaps your difficulty with the game is part of not reading rules, patch notes and dev blogs?

Oh, and can I have your stuff?

nabort
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:27:00 - [3]
 

just because something is made less able in pve, it does not make it a nerf ffs.

try getting a ship within 20km of you with some sig radius, and watch it melt...

most pvpers are cheering at this change (and me being a half caldari pilot am one of them.)

Cruise is fine, deal with it.

OOOSOOO
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Xelexous
Torp nerf makes me want to just drop my three eve accounts. My primary character used torps. I would rather have a skill time exchange to move skills from missiles to something else and a ship/equipment exchange to get my isk back.

I wondered why when I went in guiristas extravaganza last night why I couldn't kill anything with my torps. Ended up doing the whole thing with drones and refitting the raven to cruise in the 5th stage to complete it.


pwned

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:44:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Xelexous
Torp nerf makes me want to just drop my three eve accounts. My primary character used torps. I would rather have a skill time exchange to move skills from missiles to something else and a ship/equipment exchange to get my isk back.

I wondered why when I went in guiristas extravaganza last night why I couldn't kill anything with my torps. Ended up doing the whole thing with drones and refitting the raven to cruise in the 5th stage to complete it.


Threads like these tickle my funny bone. I sometimes just wish theyd undo the torp change, would be very amusing.

Bottled Brain
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Xelexous

...
I wondered why when I went in guiristas extravaganza last night why I couldn't kill anything with my torps. Ended up doing the whole thing with drones and refitting the raven to cruise in the 5th stage to complete it.


To understand your problem and to avoid it: what exactly did you try to kill with your torps and finished it with drones?
Approaching frigs? Probably not BS? But I suppose torps canīt reach NPC BS in higher orbits (beyond 30km) anymore?
And how many cms did you loose to npc defender? Iirc they kill every third cm or something...

EvilSpork
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.09 23:02:00 - [7]
 

quite whining about having to adapt your plan style... uhg

get closer and enjoy the damage buff.
sorry they brought torps in line with other weapon systems.
torps are the short range battleship mod that does RIDICULOUS damage
cruiser are the long range battleship mod that still does damn good damage, but at extreme range.

i fly caldari, im stoked. the buff is going to be a lot of fun.
i cant wait to fly a target painting mwd torp spamming bs pwn machine in pvp(read: raven)

Bashiri
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2007.12.10 01:13:00 - [8]
 

Someone failed to read the dev log 2 months ago and join the whinners when they found out. Try using cruise missiles then torps if your mission running.

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.12.10 02:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bottled Brain
Originally by: Xelexous

...
I wondered why when I went in guiristas extravaganza last night why I couldn't kill anything with my torps. Ended up doing the whole thing with drones and refitting the raven to cruise in the 5th stage to complete it.


To understand your problem and to avoid it: what exactly did you try to kill with your torps and finished it with drones?
Approaching frigs? Probably not BS? But I suppose torps canīt reach NPC BS in higher orbits (beyond 30km) anymore?
And how many cms did you loose to npc defender? Iirc they kill every third cm or something...


I tried a fit with T1 torps and with maxed support skills on a golem they ended up at 30km. When you use cruise missiles, half of them are killed by defenders. Golem is quite useless.

Btw, i am a pvper and i like the change, but the range is nerfed to much i think.

Anyway .. Nighthawk 4tw ;)

Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:23:00 - [10]
 

What torp nerf? All I saw in Trinity was a rebalancing to make it more PvP-viable by reducing range but majorly buffing DPS.

For PvE, just use cruise missiles-they were always a good choice for mission Ravens, now they're a pretty obvious choice.

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Btw, i am a pvper and i like the change, but the range is nerfed to much i think.


Maybe you'd prefer it to be less than 10 km like blasters? I mean, torpedos do nearly the same dps as blasters now, so to be fair they should have similar range as well. Don't you agree?

BoB sucks
Burning Bush Enterprises
Posted - 2007.12.10 03:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Btw, i am a pvper and i like the change, but the range is nerfed to much i think.


Maybe you'd prefer it to be less than 10 km like blasters? I mean, torpedos do nearly the same dps as blasters now, so to be fair they should have similar range as well. Don't you agree?

As long as they boost pulse damage by say.... 50% Twisted Evil

Scrutt5
Fatality.
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:33:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Btw, i am a pvper and i like the change, but the range is nerfed to much i think.


Maybe you'd prefer it to be less than 10 km like blasters? I mean, torpedos do nearly the same dps as blasters now, so to be fair they should have similar range as well. Don't you agree?


Yeah and make a low slot MWD so we dont have to lessen our tank to get in range - bozo Rolling Eyes

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:37:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Scrutt5
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Btw, i am a pvper and i like the change, but the range is nerfed to much i think.


Maybe you'd prefer it to be less than 10 km like blasters? I mean, torpedos do nearly the same dps as blasters now, so to be fair they should have similar range as well. Don't you agree?


Yeah and make a low slot MWD so we dont have to lessen our tank to get in range - bozo Rolling Eyes


Only if you make mid-slot damage mods and mid-slot overdrive injectors so blaster users don't have to lessen their tanks to fit well either.

Scrutt5
Fatality.
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:52:00 - [15]
 

Touche :)

Hannobaal
Gallente
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.12.10 05:57:00 - [16]
 

For the record, I didn't seriously mean that torp ranges should be in blaster range. Just trying to give a little perspective to people who think it's too short. 25-30 km is outside of normal tech 2 warp disrution range. That's not very short.

Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2007.12.10 06:09:00 - [17]
 

So your ship goes from being the best for PvE and mediocre for PvP to still being the best for PvE and very good for PvP...

and you're complaining about having to refit?

...yeah...

Xelexous
Caldari
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2007.12.15 20:31:00 - [18]
 

I'm only complaining because it was my mission raven.... to do pve mission only.

It is fit in such a way that it only can go 90MS! The tank relies on the mid slots I have so even an afterburner just ruins all the stuff I spent isk on to get.

I dread missions... I hate doing them. That is still how I have to get isk so it is easy for me to get frustrated when this was my mission character and my mission ship. Grinding grinding grinding... blah I hate it.

I would never spend as much isk as I did on this raven as I did for pve if it were for pvp.

Maybe a different fitting with a lot less cost associated it would be ok to rat 0.0 with might be worth trying for the microwarp drive..

Vagrant Storm
Caldari
Rulers Of Mankind
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2007.12.15 20:42:00 - [19]
 

Cruise missles are still far better for ratting in 0.0, but then I think they have always been. I tried my pvp set up with torps and cruise missles are still a lot faster. With cruises you just park, target, launch, and then sit there and what the hell out of local and be ready to cloak or dock(if possible) ASAP because you won't stand much of a chance with the fitting you will have on.

Joie Mains
Vindicator A Team
Posted - 2007.12.15 21:17:00 - [20]
 

here we go again Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Ecky X
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2007.12.15 21:27:00 - [21]
 

If you hate running missions... DONT! There are ten thousand other ways to make isk.

Earl Black
Posted - 2007.12.15 21:55:00 - [22]
 

Would be hard not to notice, but I admit some people dont follow patch notes or forums they just play the game.Shocked

Torps are now PVP only, they weren't changed, tweaked or adjusted.

They made them ideal for pvp which is why the two sides never agree, mission npc's have no such restrictions they can fire from long range and still orbit well outside your range.

Cruise is the weapon for missions, unless they do adjust npc behaviour, some will say they still have uses but in effect they are pvp tools.

fotm means soon as you adapt and find the next "outfit" it will be on the list to adjust, please let me know what you are training next coz its on my list of ships not to train in.Laughing


Qui Shon
Posted - 2007.12.15 22:20:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Qui Shon on 15/12/2007 22:28:15
Originally by: Earl Black

fotm means soon as you adapt and find the next "outfit" it will be on the list to adjust, please let me know what you are training next coz its on my list of ships not to train in.Laughing



Once my sentry Domi is "finished" I'll be getting my AbaGedMare to respectable PvE performance. Then it's on to Ishkur just for the hell of it before going to Ishtar. There you go, avoid those and you should be fine. I predict Sentries, Ishtar and Nightmare will get nerfed within 12 months.


Originally by: Christina Bamar
So your ship goes from being the best for PvE and mediocre for PvP to still being the best for PvE and very good for PvP...

and you're complaining about having to refit?

...yeah...


Yeah. My size 12 wrench used to be great for one purpose, now it's crap for that. How much does it help me that it's now a great screwdriver instead, when i already had a whole bunch of great screwdrivers?

Just in case someone doesn't understand the rhetorical nature of that question: It doesn't help me one single bit, it only harms my effectivity, and so a complaint is certainly justfied.

Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:07:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Xelexous

I dread missions... I hate doing them. That is still how I have to get isk so it is easy for me to get frustrated when this was my mission character and my mission ship. Grinding grinding grinding... blah I hate it.

I would never spend as much isk as I did on this raven as I did for pve if it were for pvp.



So, you hate doing missions, the ship you are best trained in got better for pvp, and still you are upset.

Maybe you should try some other methods of income generation. Like trading, or flogging gtc's, or exploration, or manufacturing, or invention, or piracy, or scamming, or begging.

Some of them might actually be fun.

Steyr Daghan
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Xelexous
I'm only complaining because it was my mission raven.... to do pve mission only.

It is fit in such a way that it only can go 90MS! The tank relies on the mid slots I have so even an afterburner just ruins all the stuff I spent isk on to get.



So let me get this straight. The torp BOOST made your old gameplan for easy isk obsolete so now you need to adapt your setup and therefore you complain? Dude, you gotta start reading what you type.

Originally by: Xelexous

Maybe a different fitting with a lot less cost associated it would be ok to rat 0.0 with might be worth trying for the microwarp drive..


It's not "ok". Ratting in 0.0 is FASTER after the torp change. Better isk/hour. Of course you gotta adapt your setup and thinking a little, but you get to do that yourself.

Steyr Daghan
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Earl Black
Torps are now PVP only, they weren't changed, tweaked or adjusted.

<snip>

Cruise is the weapon for missions, unless they do adjust npc behaviour, some will say they still have uses but in effect they are pvp tools.



Bah. Torps are not pvp only. Ratting in 0.0 is better and faster now, given a proper setup. Anyone who actually tries will come to the same conclusion.

Oh right. That doesn't apply to people who only grind isk with missions and pop noobs in lowsec for fun.
But for 0.0 the torp change is only for the better though. Better ratting and pvp capability.

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.12.16 00:30:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Originally by: Earl Black
Torps are now PVP only, they weren't changed, tweaked or adjusted.

<snip>

Cruise is the weapon for missions, unless they do adjust npc behaviour, some will say they still have uses but in effect they are pvp tools.



Bah. Torps are not pvp only. Ratting in 0.0 is better and faster now, given a proper setup. Anyone who actually tries will come to the same conclusion.

Oh right. That doesn't apply to people who only grind isk with missions and pop noobs in lowsec for fun.
But for 0.0 the torp change is only for the better though. Better ratting and pvp capability.



Very true. You can PvE and indeed mission just fine with torps now.

You do, of course, suffer the same limitations as any short range weapon, e.g you have to close.

However interestingly, torps/cruises are unlike all the other weapon systems in EVE, in that mixing long and short range actually doesn't hurt all that much - cruise missiles hit just fine at torp ranges.

Vagrant Storm
Caldari
Rulers Of Mankind
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:37:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Vagrant Storm on 16/12/2007 01:44:06

You know...i guess I will side with the OP on one thing. He spent a long time training his torp skills up and now they done a fairly massive change to torps. It might very well be a weapon system that he does not want any thing to with now and now he's basically SOL because he never trained up any other weapon skill for BS's that well and basically has to sit out of the game for a few weeks for other skills to train up. They could after changes like this allow for some very limited sp redistrubution. As in like a one time deal. Though I suppose that this could cause some problems if it messed up though. However my guess the OP would never have put a single skill point into torps if he knew what they would turn into. I have never really had that happen to me. Stuff changes and I just figure out a new way to use it to my advantage, but I can deffinately see people who only do missions, chew on veldaspar all day, and don't know what a MWD is could get really shafted on a change to make some thing better in pvp.

Though my personal feeling is that torps should have been this way since the begining...or at least since the sig and velocity started to be factored into missle damage.

dust monkey
Minmatar
Dark Tornado
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:44:00 - [29]
 

well im reactivating an one of my alts so that counters one of yours.

srsly torp nerf? yea there not as good in missions any more, so what if you cant make that make 100mil isk a day while watching TV.

think if the of all the joy you can get out of the now ( slightly over powered ) new torps in PVP!


Paulo Damarr
Posted - 2007.12.16 01:57:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 16/12/2007 01:59:30
I used torps prior to the changes but I now use cruises and they are much better because they kill frigates really easily they just insta pop and cruisers take nearly full damage, where as torps barely scratched them and they travel a lot faster so when your hitting something 60km away the missiles are hitting a in a third of the time it took torps to reach them.

BSs take maybe 1 volley more to kill but you waste a lot less ammo, and dont forget the drone AI improvements I just carry 15 warriors and set them to focus fire and aggressive and let them go and kill all the frigates and they dont wander off or split up they all hit the same target.


Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only