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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.12.08 01:54:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: Todd Howard, executive producer at Bethesda, in PC gamer
At Bethesda, there are three basic tenets that we develop our games by. "Great Games are Played, Not Made" is the first. We try not to over-design a thing on paper. We jam it in the game, play with it, and see if it's fun. We don't care what the design document said-we'll change a feature or rip it out if it isn't working, and we'll do it to everything if necessary.

The second is "Keep it Simple" Polishing up a feature and tucking in all the corners takes more time than your brain thinks it will. The more elegant and simple a system is, the better all the systems will play with each other, yielding heightened player experimentation.

The last rule is "Define the Experience." Do not define your game by a list of features; define it by what the player experiences. This allows you to weed out the superfluous interactions from the essential ones as you play your game.


tl;dr: Fallout 3 will be badly planned, bland and consolized, and short on interesting features.

Suze'Rain
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.08 02:00:00 - [2]
 

in other news, Elvis is dead, the sky is blue, and Bill Gates is rich....

tell us something we did'nt know? :)

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.08 02:09:00 - [3]
 

Laughing

There is no physical method by which Fallout 3 could not suck. Laughing

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2007.12.08 02:13:00 - [4]
 

I've only beat fallout 2 for the first time last year Embarassed

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.12.08 02:18:00 - [5]
 

Fallout 3 sucking would be just cause for a holy war.

Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.12.08 02:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Fallout 3 sucking would be just cause for a holy war.


QFT, I'll declare a jihad on Bethesda if they **** it up

Blind Man
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2007.12.08 03:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Laughing

There is no physical method by which Fallout 3 could not suck. Laughing


word. im just itching to play oblivion again with mods when i get my 8800gt ;/

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2007.12.08 04:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Laughing

There is no physical method by which Fallout 3 could not suck. Laughing


DS, you just invited supernatural powers to a challenge.

If Fallout 3 sucks because of something unexplainable, I'm so blaming your jinxing!Evil or Very Mad

SoftRevolution
Posted - 2007.12.08 04:11:00 - [9]
 

Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

me bored
Posted - 2007.12.08 04:13:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: me bored on 08/12/2007 04:16:31
Edited by: me bored on 08/12/2007 04:15:49
I don't think anyone trusts bethesda to make it well after how disappointing oblivion was. It might be somewhat decent but it's going to be an abysmal failure as a sequel to fallout no matter how you look at it. I'm just going to pretend that it's not supposed to be a fallout game.

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.12.08 05:07:00 - [11]
 


I think you're jumping the gun a little; everyone says that Fallout Tactics was a horrible, horrible game, but I didn't find it that bad. Sure, they completely tore out the beating heart of the RPG aspect and stitched in a minigun, but half the fun of the first fallout was the killing of stuff. Kind of like GTA where you save your game than go on a merciless killing rampage to see just how far you can go before you trip up.

BlackIsles is dead, and all the unique perspective of their coding and game design are gone. Its pointless to try and compare two different studios who comprise of completely different teams; all one does is set themselves up for disappointment.

MalVortex
Applied Agoraphobia
Posted - 2007.12.08 09:52:00 - [12]
 

Two possibilities:

Morrowind Style: Deep, long, and overall made of equal amounts epic and win.

Oblivion Style: After finishing the graphics engine, the dev team develops a nasty WoW addiction and release some sort of unholy alpha. This alpha is a stripped down version of Morrwoind release, but is missing critical gameplay files, such as fun.dll, depth.dll, and variety.bin, but does accidentally include overpoweredlockingpicking.exe. Also, it will likley delete your boot.ini.

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.12.08 10:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: MalVortex
Two possibilities:

Morrowind Style: Deep, long, and overall made of equal amounts epic and win.

Oblivion Style: After finishing the graphics engine, the dev team develops a nasty WoW addiction and release some sort of unholy alpha. This alpha is a stripped down version of Morrwoind release, but is missing critical gameplay files, such as fun.dll, depth.dll, and variety.bin, but does accidentally include overpoweredlockingpicking.exe. Also, it will likley delete your boot.ini.


We're talking Fallout here, the Trinity hate threads are that way <----.

Kyrall
Posted - 2007.12.08 16:20:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
I've only beat fallout 2 for the first time last year Embarassed


I've only just started it recently! Had heard it was one of those "classics" so I thought I'd give it a try. I'd say some things haven't aged that well, I hate trying to find stuff behind walls, but other than a few things it is awesome Very Happy

Shame really, cos if I'd never played it, I wouldn't be that disappointed if the new one sucks!

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.12.08 18:41:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.08 19:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

Its probably gonna be worse than deus ex 2

Kanthras
Gallente
Balsarferskratchin Inc
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.12.09 00:18:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

It'll probably be more like Bioshock. A good game, but not as good as it's prequel(s).

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2007.12.09 00:51:00 - [18]
 

Deus Ex 2 was not too bad >_> and oblivion was pretty good i think.

me bored
Posted - 2007.12.09 01:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
Deus Ex 2 was not too bad


Evil or Very Mad

MalVortex
Applied Agoraphobia
Posted - 2007.12.09 02:48:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Derovius Vaden



We're talking Fallout here, the Trinity hate threads are that way <----.


L2Sarcasm, k?

Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.12.09 02:52:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Lord MuffloN on 09/12/2007 02:58:12
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?


If I can't brutally murder children in the way I want, I'm not just annoyed, I'll be disappointed and angry, I WANT TO KILL CHILDREN IN ALL THE POSSIBLE WAYS I CAN THINK OF AND BE PLEASED WITH MYSELF AS I SEE THEIR INTESTINES DRY UP ON THE HOT POST APOCALYPTIC RADIOACTIVE SAND!!!

Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.12.09 02:57:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Lord MuffloN on 09/12/2007 02:57:59
****, pressed quote instead of edit :(

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.12.09 03:55:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kanthras
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

It'll probably be more like Bioshock. A good game, but not as good as it's prequel(s).

Bioshock didn't even have a drag and drop inventory though, it was still pretty consolized. The reason it's as good as it though is because it was designed mainly for the PC. Fallout 3 is designed mainly for the 360, therefore it will be garbage to anyone with more then 3 brain cells.

SoftRevolution
Posted - 2007.12.09 13:27:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: SoftRevolution on 09/12/2007 13:33:37
Bioshock was regarded by reviewers at large as a raging success. The interface is, apparently, not the gameplay.

Fallout 3 sounds pretty decent every time I read about it. I don't get all the nerdrage. Streamlined design may or may not totally **** the whole thing up. It really depends on whether they try and pass off a 360 port as a PC game a la DX2. Interface complexity isn't a good thing in and of itself.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.09 17:09:00 - [25]
 

Bethesda aren't THAT bad. Fallout 3 is looking likely to suck, but I'm not writing it off yet. Hope springs eternal, and all that jazz...

Derovius Vaden
Posted - 2007.12.09 22:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Kanthras
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

It'll probably be more like Bioshock. A good game, but not as good as it's prequel(s).

Bioshock didn't even have a drag and drop inventory though, it was still pretty consolized. The reason it's as good as it though is because it was designed mainly for the PC. Fallout 3 is designed mainly for the 360, therefore it will be garbage to anyone with more then 3 brain cells.


WTF, they are making it for the 360 and not PC? What kind of RPG can one have with your only method of control is thumb sticks and half a dozen buttons? Mice and keyboards are how games like Fallout are meant to be played with.

me bored
Posted - 2007.12.09 23:14:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Kanthras
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

It'll probably be more like Bioshock. A good game, but not as good as it's prequel(s).

Bioshock didn't even have a drag and drop inventory though, it was still pretty consolized. The reason it's as good as it though is because it was designed mainly for the PC. Fallout 3 is designed mainly for the 360, therefore it will be garbage to anyone with more then 3 brain cells.


WTF, they are making it for the 360 and not PC? What kind of RPG can one have with your only method of control is thumb sticks and half a dozen buttons? Mice and keyboards are how games like Fallout are meant to be played with.


It sucks but you can't really blame them. PC games are nowhere near as profitable and bethesda stopped caring about anything but profit a long time ago.

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2007.12.10 00:10:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: me bored
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: Kanthras
Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: SoftRevolution
Are you guys NMA-types annoyed because of the low child-murder quotient of FA3?

bradylamafallout3dissertation.txt


No, It's not that, it's going to be consolized, lobotomized garbage in the same way Deus ex 2 was.

It'll probably be more like Bioshock. A good game, but not as good as it's prequel(s).

Bioshock didn't even have a drag and drop inventory though, it was still pretty consolized. The reason it's as good as it though is because it was designed mainly for the PC. Fallout 3 is designed mainly for the 360, therefore it will be garbage to anyone with more then 3 brain cells.


WTF, they are making it for the 360 and not PC? What kind of RPG can one have with your only method of control is thumb sticks and half a dozen buttons? Mice and keyboards are how games like Fallout are meant to be played with.


It sucks but you can't really blame them. PC games are nowhere near as profitable and bethesda stopped caring about anything but profit a long time ago.


If they could make a game worth half a damn for the PC it would be plenty more profitable. God only knows how much money Valve is making from Steam.

Feta Solamnia
Posted - 2007.12.10 04:41:00 - [29]
 

*sigh*

first they kill van burren, then they deny the fans a go at the code and making a decent fan-based free game, then they sell IP to bethesda.

It's like you have a delicious cake and after a while you manage to give it a nice coating of chocolate.
But just before the chocolate dries up you decide to whack it with a baseball bat, ignore the cute doggie looking you in the eyes still craving for it and you directly throw the remains in the sewer.

Is it going to be a success? Sure.
Is it going to be a good game? Probably not.
Is it going to be a worthy successor of fallout 1/2? Hah... I just made me laugh.



 

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