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Marlhog Karhigor
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:39:00 - [1]
 

Hello,

the new graphic content slows down my gaming machine to 10fps and less and because of this i decided that i have to buy a new system (i like the new graphics, to go back to the old one is no option for me)

But now i dont know exactly what is good hardware for gaming, and i really hope that you guys can give me some tips and hints. The first thing you have to know is that i play eve on a 24" widescreen DELL TFT (1920x1200 resolution) and now here the spec of my new machine (not buyed yet):

1 x Mainboard: Asus P5E (Sound, G-LAN, FW, SATAII RAID)
1 x CPU: Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600 (FC-LGA4, Stepping G0, "Kentsfield")
2 x RAM: Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-1066 Kit
1 x HDD: Samsung HD753LJ
1 x GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)
1 x (GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI))
(second Graphiccard possible with Crossfire - dont know if it is a good idea)
OS: Windows Vista

Now its your turn, is this a good machine? What would be better (yeah i know, there a for each component a better one out there, but it must be payable)Laughing? What do you think about this components?

Thanks
Marlhog

and uhm ... 1000 sweet kisses to ccp for the new graphics, i love it so much!

Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:43:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Huldradans on 07/12/2007 13:50:14
Originally by: Marlhog Karhigor
Hello,

the new graphic content slows down my gaming machine to 10fps and less and because of this i decided that i have to buy a new system (i like the new graphics, to go back to the old one is no option for me)

But now i dont know exactly what is good hardware for gaming, and i really hope that you guys can give me some tips and hints. The first thing you have to know is that i play eve on a 24" widescreen DELL TFT (1920x1200 resolution) and now here the spec of my new machine (not buyed yet):


That will run fine. What's your current hardware setup?
1 x Mainboard: Asus P5E (Sound, G-LAN, FW, SATAII RAID)
1 x CPU: Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600 (FC-LGA4, Stepping G0, "Kentsfield")
2 x RAM: Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-1066 Kit
1 x HDD: Samsung HD753LJ
1 x GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)
1 x (GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI))
(second Graphiccard possible with Crossfire - dont know if it is a good idea)
OS: Windows Vista

Now its your turn, is this a good machine? What would be better (yeah i know, there a for each component a better one out there, but it must be payable)Laughing? What do you think about this components?

Thanks
Marlhog

and uhm ... 1000 sweet kisses to ccp for the new graphics, i love it so much!


This system will be fine - what are your current specs?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.12.07 13:52:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 07/12/2007 14:02:59

Wrong subforum, you want "Out of Pod". Somebody from ISD will probably move it soon.

Q6600 : ouchwallet
ATI : meh
SLI video : bleah
Vista : bleah

Now, I have a 500$ machine "built to be cheap" (Core 2 Duo @1.6 GHz, GeForce 8500 GT, 1 GB RAM, Win XP Prof, plus the usual minimalistic stuff like 160 GB HDD, DVD-RW), and it runs the "premium" content on minimal settings (shadows off, bloom off, hdr off) just fine... and even with everything on highest, I can't say it looks better as with everything on minimum... heck, I'd rather leave everything off (esp. shadows and bloom) and enable AA.
"Just fine" means at a lot better FPS (40-80 FPS) compared to running Crysis on lowest possible settings (under 20-40 FPS).

Now, you might want to spend upwards of 2000$ on a ubergaming rig, but in one year, it won't be worth even 1000$, and in another year under 500$.
So you'd spend your money much better on something with the best price/performance ratio instead.
__

Or just go with a laptop instead Twisted Evil

Marlhog Karhigor
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Huldradans
[...] - what are your current specs?


dont know exactly, because i am currently in the office and can not check it

Mainboard: Gigabyte
CPU: Intel (one core, multithreadding stuff)
RAM: 1 GB DDR
HDD: hmm, somthing not so slow, IDE, 7220rpm
GCard: nvidia geforce6 (128MB RAM)
OS: WinXP Prof

(sry, for posting in the wrong forum area - pls feel free to move it to the correct place)

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Marlhog Karhigor
CPU: Intel (one core, multithreadding stuff)
RAM: 1 GB DDR
HDD: hmm, somthing not so slow, IDE, 7220rpm
GCard: nvidia geforce6 (128MB RAM)
OS: WinXP Prof


Quite exactly the system I am running. Now I am happy that I didn't install the new graphics update. To have Eve slower than today is the last thing I want.

Neamus
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:12:00 - [6]
 

It all looks good apart from the two graphics cards, ati are a good card maker but thier current batch arent the best and I've never been a fan of crossfire or sli.

I also have the Dell 24" widescreen, which I use with a single 8800GTX OC'd - this works nicely in most games with high frame rates and good quality settings, Eve included. One thing though, Vista loves RAM, get as much as you can afford...

breadcat
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:12:00 - [7]
 

For this resolution you need a geforce 8800gtx.

sg3s
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:13:00 - [8]
 

cooking requirements for a omgwtfpwnage machine
1 x mainboard that fits the stuff below
1 x quad core cpu or better
2 x 2gb kit of preferable best ddr3 memory, best to use all slots on mainboard if supported
2 x grafics card that came out less than a month ago using nvidea on intel shipsets and ati on amd/other chipsets
2 x 10k rpm hdd, wich is WD Raptor atm
1 x raid controller on pci or better
1 x uber case that keeps it cool in a literal way, cooler master stacker

non-boxed fans for cpu/gfx that will make it silent/cooler

1 x standard stuff... cd-rom drive, software preferable xp but vista ultimate when you want dx10

sg3s
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:18:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: breadcat
For this resolution you need a geforce 8800gtx.


don't be silly, I have a ati x1950xt here and I'm running eve on 1920x1200, ofcourse not on full settings and no hdr (although it could run with hdr but I don't like hdr)

my gfx card the is the single most expensive part of my comp atm, the rest is crap.

Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:20:00 - [10]
 

Only had to hit reply 3 times to leave a message...

Anyways, I always recommend against ATI. Seriously. Worst drivers ever. You'd be doing yourself a favour by going nVidia, the 8800gt series for preference as someone else already said.

Bad drivers don't sad like much, but in reality it means that you're getting less performance for your money. They can't use the hardware like it should be, so you'll get more bang for your buck with an nVidia.

I also recommend getting CPU and GPU coolers if you're not going water cooled. I like my Zahlmans.

Lastly, if you're getting Vista, get Home Premium at the absolute least. If you have the cash to spend, get Ultimate. It's the only one worth two ****s, and I probably wouldn't even give it that. Biggest PITA OS I've had to deal with (I work in IT at a university). It's not worth commenting on the performance hit you'll get while running Vista, though, since your rig will be more than sufficient for the likes of EVE + Vista.

Make sure to get a good case as well. I've got an Antec I love, but you'll have to shop around and see what works for you. The case makes all the difference in cooling. Also, what power supply are you thinking of? You get what you pay for with PSUs, so get a good one or you'll be regretting it down the line.

Stormklaar
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:27:00 - [11]
 

check the interval pass is set to zero, because for some reason it is set to 4 as default dont why that is LOL, after that it runs as smooth as silk even on extreme settings.






Skaaj
Universal Star
HELM Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 14:47:00 - [12]
 

First off, people screaming nVidea > ATi

stfu

not always true, and generally very little difference in performance

op, I would not recomment using crossfire, you would be better off spending the same money on one card than you would on 2 cheaper ones, go for a hd 2900 if you want to buy ATi, and go for the pro version, it is the same card as the xt just underclocked, which means you save money on the card and can just overclock it to xt stock speeds just fine

:)

Oratu
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Skaaj
First off, people screaming nVidea > ATi

stfu

not always true, and generally very little difference in performance

op, I would not recomment using crossfire, you would be better off spending the same money on one card than you would on 2 cheaper ones, go for a hd 2900 if you want to buy ATi, and go for the pro version, it is the same card as the xt just underclocked, which means you save money on the card and can just overclock it to xt stock speeds just fine

:)


Nvidia == faster than ati BUT;
ati == cooler than nvidia..

Best fps/$ ratio belongs to the 3870 (ati)
But for a few bucks more u can get a mean as_s 8800gt that u can cook steaks on (i have two of these and already iam not impressed by the heat).

Really, the this vs that crap will neva stop, no point complaining.

I sell both products (ati stuff and nvidia stuff) each has its strengths :)


Nobues
Gallente
Friends of Xenon
Disturbed Behavior
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:21:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Nobues on 07/12/2007 15:23:03
Originally by: Marlhog Karhigor
Hello,

the new graphic content slows down my gaming machine to 10fps and less and because of this i decided that i have to buy a new system (i like the new graphics, to go back to the old one is no option for me)

But now i dont know exactly what is good hardware for gaming, and i really hope that you guys can give me some tips and hints. The first thing you have to know is that i play eve on a 24" widescreen DELL TFT (1920x1200 resolution) and now here the spec of my new machine (not buyed yet):

1 x Mainboard: Asus P5E (Sound, G-LAN, FW, SATAII RAID)
1 x CPU: Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600 (FC-LGA4, Stepping G0, "Kentsfield")
2 x RAM: Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-1066 Kit
1 x HDD: Samsung HD753LJ
1 x GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)
1 x (GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI))
(second Graphiccard possible with Crossfire - dont know if it is a good idea)
OS: Windows Vista

Now its your turn, is this a good machine? What would be better (yeah i know, there a for each component a better one out there, but it must be payable)Laughing? What do you think about this components?

Thanks
Marlhog

and uhm ... 1000 sweet kisses to ccp for the new graphics, i love it so much!


upgrade to XP and your be fine. yes I said upgrade from vista to XP

I'm sorry a OS that cuts your bandwidth in 1/2 when you play a music file is not a OS to have, your get a 30% boost in speed by upgrading to XP from vista.

Marcus Ailichi
ohgodhowdidthisgethereimnotgoodwithcomputers
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:22:00 - [15]
 

CCP really messed something up, because droppping shadows and bloom one step brings HUGE (as in big as xbox) performance increase with minimal drop in quality. So try it first.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:24:00 - [16]
 

Dude, don't get Vista, upgrade to XP, it might cost a little more but it has got some massive improvements.

Very Happy

Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:27:00 - [17]
 

Admittedly, the nVidia stock fans aren't great, but I'd never run a GPU with a stock fan. Put a good cooler on it and you'll see the performance.

I was referring to drivers. Their hardware is similar, their drivers are not. Everyone who knows anything about GPUs knows that ATI drivers are pants. They're terrible.

Yeia
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:29:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Yeia on 07/12/2007 15:31:08
Go vista m8 not xp, as someone said, xp only support 2gb ram, which will soon prove to be not enough for gaming. I have vista and no problem with it at all. (lol at the xp ppl that got problems after trinity :D)

I recommend 8800gtx as some ppl said, I have it and it works great. For motherboard if u wanna run 2x graphiccards get nforce 680i striker extreme, i got that, its for SLI and supports 2x 8800gtx, remember u want a VERY powerful powersupply when u run 2 so strong graphiccards, u cant use a standard one(atleast 800watt)

Also atm i'd probably just get a core 2 duo instead of quad, but whatever floats ur boat.

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:34:00 - [19]
 

Throw out the Crossfile/SLI for now. Its useless unless you actually have the cash to burn on another vidcard real soon.

an 8600 and above will pefectly suffice.

Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.07 15:41:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 07/12/2007 15:42:51
I disaggree with the above poster, I think the nvidia 8800 gt has more performace per buck than the ati 3870.

However if you really want dual graphics cards, I recommend getting a X38 motherboard with 2 PCIe x16 lanes and use two 3870 as they will definitely give more performance per buck than two 8800 gt's.

As for ram make sure you don't waste your money here, spending $40 or $400 on ram is not going to have any impact on you system.

Oh yeah doesn't really matter if it's dual or quad core, like the guy said what ever floats you boat.

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.12.07 16:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Throw out the Crossfile/SLI for now. Its useless unless you actually have the cash to burn on another vidcard real soon.

an 8600 and above will pefectly suffice.


With the price/performance of the 3850 the mid range cards from both Nvidia and ATI are obsolete. Welcome to a proper mid range card the likes that have not been seen for awile.

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 17:33:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Marlhog Karhigor
Hello,

the new graphic content slows down my gaming machine to 10fps and less and because of this i decided that i have to buy a new system (i like the new graphics, to go back to the old one is no option for me)

But now i dont know exactly what is good hardware for gaming, and i really hope that you guys can give me some tips and hints. The first thing you have to know is that i play eve on a 24" widescreen DELL TFT (1920x1200 resolution) and now here the spec of my new machine (not buyed yet):

1 x Mainboard: Asus P5E (Sound, G-LAN, FW, SATAII RAID)
1 x CPU: Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600 (FC-LGA4, Stepping G0, "Kentsfield")
2 x RAM: Kingston HyperX DIMM 2 GB DDR2-1066 Kit
1 x HDD: Samsung HD753LJ
1 x GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)
1 x (GCard: Sapphire HD2600XT (Light-Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI))
(second Graphiccard possible with Crossfire - dont know if it is a good idea)
OS: Windows Vista

Now its your turn, is this a good machine? What would be better (yeah i know, there a for each component a better one out there, but it must be payable)Laughing? What do you think about this components?

Thanks
Marlhog

and uhm ... 1000 sweet kisses to ccp for the new graphics, i love it so much!

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 17:34:00 - [23]
 

NVIDIA 8800GT "pwn" any ATI offerings.
There is no reasons at all to buy ATI right now.

Marlhog Karhigor
Posted - 2007.12.07 18:31:00 - [24]
 

First let me give a little thx for all the response.

As many of you i am also thinking about my GCard Spec, 2 x Sapphire HD2600XT oder only one GeForce 8800GT. I normally buy GeForce because i have only good experience with it, but a good friend of me means 2 x Sapphire p0wns more as one 8800GT.

What would you recommend me to buy, if you have the choice between this two options?
- 2 x Sapphire HD2600XT
- 1 x GeForce 8800GT?

serbian evilboy
Fire Mandrill
Posted - 2007.12.07 19:15:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: serbian evilboy on 07/12/2007 19:19:19
I recently purchased a new system (being delivered atm), its for running eve. I didn't have much cash to spend. I will probally go 2x 8800 GT in the future, atm I can't afford it though.

1x ASUS Striker Extreme LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX
1x Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775
1x EVGA 512-P3-N802-A1 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0
1x G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
1x Antec Nine Hundred - Gaming Case with 200mm Top Fan

The part im not so sure about is this PSU (its not been ordered yet)

1x Coolermaster IGreen 600W PSU - 85% Efficiency 8pin ATX12V v2.2 120mm Fan

I would like advice on the PSU please.






jjoplin
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:24:00 - [26]
 

I know this is my first post , but i've done a bit of research recently into comp parts , best thing anyone can tell you is to check www.tomshardware.com on anything that catches your eye, i have heard many a bad thing about the saphire series which in turn made me chose a different mid-range card , ive also heard a few prob's about the MB , not sure if they've been iron'd out as of yet though. Aside from that i looked about on the net and saw a few great comp builds containing gamer quality rigs for 500$ + , with links to addy's showing the best deal's for purchasing , hope it helps.

ISD Santiago Cortes


Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:32:00 - [27]
 

moved to OOPE - Cortes

Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:48:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Yeia
Edited by: Yeia on 07/12/2007 15:31:08
Go vista m8 not xp, as someone said, xp only support 2gb ram, which will soon prove to be not enough for gaming. I have vista and no problem with it at all. (lol at the xp ppl that got problems after trinity :D)

I recommend 8800gtx as some ppl said, I have it and it works great. For motherboard if u wanna run 2x graphiccards get nforce 680i striker extreme, i got that, its for SLI and supports 2x 8800gtx, remember u want a VERY powerful powersupply when u run 2 so strong graphiccards, u cant use a standard one(atleast 800watt)

Also atm i'd probably just get a core 2 duo instead of quad, but whatever floats ur boat.


This is wrong. Sorry, I forgot to post earlier about this subject.

Microsoft's Windows operating system will only support 3gb of RAM. Windows XP Professional or Vista Ultimate, it doesn't matter. The 3gb limitation is a hardware one based on the chipset, and Microsoft's 32bit operating systems will only recognize 3gb of RAM, no matter what.

If you have more than 3gb of RAM with a 32bit OS, it'll use that last gb for hardware buffering, but it's essentially wasted. There's not much benefit.

If Vista is recognizing that you have more than 3gb of RAM (say 4gb), then you have a 64bit edition of Vista. Same for XP: you'd have to have Windows XP Professional 64bit for it to recognize more than 3gb of RAM. The problem is that drivers are either sucky or nonexistant for these 64bit operating systems. Vista has crappy driver support as it is (which isn't exactly Microsoft's fault, the industry just hasn't caught up with the OS yet), though most of the drivers can be made to work (though some require an installation in compatibility mode). However, Vista 64bit edition currently has next to no driver support, even less than WinXP 64bit edition. And WinXP 64 bit is a PITA due to the drivers.

TBH, you won't use more than 2gb of RAM with EVE. The most I ever use is around 748mb, I think. Nevertheless, you want the extra RAM (up to 3gb) if you intend to run Vista AND EVE because Vista is such a memory hog (assume an extra gb of memory for Vista beyond game requirements).

My last point on the subject of memory, as it relates to this, is that the bigsmp kernel for Linux is 32 bit AND allows for more than 3gb of RAM due to some clever hacking ;-) That's what I use at work (4gb machines). But if this is a gaming rig, Linux probably isn't right for you.

-----

The above is conventional wisdom I've gleaned from my job. Now I dig into it a bit more deeply and discover you CAN get 4gb out of XP Pro and, presumably, Vista.

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=281738 for a discussion on the topic.

Essentially, you need to enable PAE (physical address extension). You can do this through the command prompt, but it's reported to not always work.

Best of luck to you, is all I say :-P I'll stick with Linux, thankyouverymuch.

Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Posted - 2007.12.07 21:53:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 07/12/2007 21:53:55
nm

Mary Rose
PRAXIS RESEARCH
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
Posted - 2007.12.07 22:05:00 - [30]
 

Quote:
The problem is that drivers are either sucky or nonexistant for these 64bit operating systems. Vista has crappy driver support as it is (which isn't exactly Microsoft's fault, the industry just hasn't caught up with the OS yet), though most of the drivers can be made to work (though some require an installation in compatibility mode). However, Vista 64bit edition currently has next to no driver support, even less than WinXP 64bit edition. And WinXP 64 bit is a PITA due to the drivers.


From what ive heard, xp x64 has horrible driver support but vista x64 is fine. I have had no problem finding drivers for anything. Have you even used it or are you just following from what other people have said?


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