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Grath Shalley
Posted - 2007.12.07 08:51:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Grath Shalley on 07/12/2007 09:00:15
Edited by: Grath Shalley on 07/12/2007 08:57:59
Anyone else notice the volumes on some of the junk Tech I stuff have been changed? Was this done intentionally? I don't think a Remote Sensor Booster I really needs to take up 100.0 m3 of space in my cargo when I'm trying to pick up my mission loot... (all the variations only take up 5.0 m3)

-I have found at least a dozen other modules with similar volume changes

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:18:00 - [2]
 

It's intentional but way way overdone on many items.

Will Farva
Caldari
The Esoteric Order of Dagon
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:22:00 - [3]
 

Yesterday I picked up 50 prisoners in a mission, taking up 375 m3 (7.5 each and a mass of 560 kg IIRC) Shocked These guys are no doubt too pampered to be prisoners. 7.5 m3 and 560 kg!! Must have been Jabba the Hutt and all of his mates.

Was actually a tight case considering the trunk filled with missiles and some other loot...

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:27:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Erotic Irony on 07/12/2007 09:26:51
whats the rationale for t1 but not named?

is this to discourage compression?

Will Farva
Caldari
The Esoteric Order of Dagon
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:34:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 07/12/2007 09:26:51
whats the rationale for t1 but not named?

is this to discourage compression?


Yes

AntonioBanderas
Empirius Enigmus Navy
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:40:00 - [6]
 

it's a mineral compression nerf

XLord
Amarr
De Valken BV
Orange Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:43:00 - [7]
 

any1 saw the heavy pulse laser (medium size) and dual heavy pulse laser (large)
the medium is 100m and the dual heavy is only 20m
how the hell can that be normal:S

atm i cant even rat and loot in the same ship

Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:45:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Saietor Blackgreen on 07/12/2007 09:47:36
FFS guys read the patch notes already.

Yes, it was done to discourage compression.
Yes, its only fot T1 producible items, not named.
Yes, its kinda wrong for some items.

***

Prisoners and other "trade goods" have not been changed, BTW - they've been like that always.

And I see no problem with 1 passenger adding 7.5 m3 and 112 kg to your cargo. They dont lie in packs down there, in your cargo bay, its some sort of compartments that you load in, or any other feasible way of transporting people in a spaceship.

Remember that 7.5 m3 is less than 2x2x2 meters compartment (thats external dimensions!) so its quite realistic.

Also, how much an airline chair weighs? Average human is about 70 kg or so, so you have about 40 kg for all their stuff (if any) + transportation gear...

Arguable, but there's nothing Shocked in 560 kg and 375m3 for 50 people I think. Arent these numbers the same for all transportable passengers (dancers, militants, slaves, etc...)?

Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: XLord
any1 saw the heavy pulse laser (medium size) and dual heavy pulse laser (large)
the medium is 100m and the dual heavy is only 20m
how the hell can that be normal:S

atm i cant even rat and loot in the same ship



R you sure you checked T1 heavy? Because named ones stayed the same. Only producible T1 gear have been changed.

Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:47:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Saietor Blackgreen on 07/12/2007 09:47:22
double

XLord
Amarr
De Valken BV
Orange Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:48:00 - [11]
 

yea
both t1, and i dont think its wrong to change the volumes of t1s but come-on change it to something normal to overdone like this:S

Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:50:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Saietor Blackgreen on 07/12/2007 09:50:14
Originally by: XLord
yea
both t1, and i dont think its wrong to change the volumes of t1s but come-on change it to something normal to overdone like this:S


They've been changed to correspond to amount of minerals needed to produce them, or a bit less. What's "normal" by your definition? And the large one should probably be 250 or something.

Grath Shalley
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:51:00 - [13]
 

Thanks for the info, I read the patch notes but didn't understand the mineral compression thing when I posted...
Looks like I'll be leaving some $%^# in jetcans after missions more often ugh

Saietor Blackgreen
Armored Saints
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:52:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Grath Shalley
Thanks for the info, I read the patch notes but didn't understand the mineral compression thing when I posted...
Looks like I'll be leaving some $%^# in jetcans after missions more often ugh


Luckily, you have lots of named stuff in the loot usually. So no big deal, just sort the loot.

XLord
Amarr
De Valken BV
Orange Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.07 09:52:00 - [15]
 

meh,
normal is still fit in a bc:P
so i can still rat and dont have to stop everytime i get a bs spawn
owell nothing to do about, just accept and life with it.
(does the bs gun cost less than the cruiser gun in mins:S)

Will Farva
Caldari
The Esoteric Order of Dagon
Posted - 2007.12.07 10:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Saietor Blackgreen
Edited by: Saietor Blackgreen on 07/12/2007 09:47:36
FFS guys read the patch notes already.

Yes, it was done to discourage compression.
Yes, its only fot T1 producible items, not named.
Yes, its kinda wrong for some items.

***

Prisoners and other "trade goods" have not been changed, BTW - they've been like that always.

And I see no problem with 1 passenger adding 7.5 m3 and 112 kg to your cargo. They dont lie in packs down there, in your cargo bay, its some sort of compartments that you load in, or any other feasible way of transporting people in a spaceship.

Remember that 7.5 m3 is less than 2x2x2 meters compartment (thats external dimensions!) so its quite realistic.

Also, how much an airline chair weighs? Average human is about 70 kg or so, so you have about 40 kg for all their stuff (if any) + transportation gear...

Arguable, but there's nothing Shocked in 560 kg and 375m3 for 50 people I think. Arent these numbers the same for all transportable passengers (dancers, militants, slaves, etc...)?


Thats just it, militants (or what they're called) are 2 m3 each, which is quite a difference. The mission I did was Rogue Slave Trade 1, easy peasy 6 rat mission I have done loads of times before without any hassle. But yesterday I had to jet all my loot and some missiles to be able to get the prisoners back to my agent. Maybe prisoners were always 7.5, if so the number of prisoners have changed. Or they were (as militants) 2 m3.

Not arguing with the realism of 7.5 m3 (even though 560 per person, especially slaves, is a bit hefty), I'm argiung with the relative size to before patch/other passengers.


 

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