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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [1201]
 

Originally by: Kagura Nikon

The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.



That only applies if:

a) You have a second computer to browse forums.
b) After seeing your computer failing to boot, first thing you do is go to EVE forums using your other computer. That is, instead of checking for viruses or HDD failure. Every time your computer fails the first place you go for advice is EVE forums, really.

Quote:

If you are walking in road and a bird poos in your head you cannot simply go sue people that feed birds around in the area. They might have an accidental responsability. But the damage is ZERO so common sense says this should be dismissed.


If those people have trained the birds to poo in your head then yes, they are responsible. And this patch(bird) has been written(trained to) so it deletes a vital system file(poos in your head).


Asurmen Vendici
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [1202]
 

Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks

Ask people in your lab if they have a windows CD you could borrow to fix your system?

Eric Caine
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [1203]
 

addition to previous post.

http://icrontic.com/articles/repair_windows_xp

DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 - [1204]
 

Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 06/12/2007 16:56:11
Great - my pc boots to a black screen and a statement that i am missing "hal.dll" file.

PC wont boot from my DVD drive, so i am struggling to work out how i am gonna get my pc to run. Im just glad i have my sisters spare computer to vent my utter frustration.Mad

P.S If anyone has any idea how to boot from DVD drive i would apprciate it - i tried the f6 option mentioned above but it does absolutly nothing.

P.P.S i would use my dusty old vista upgrade disc but....wont work either...Rolling Eyes


1. The hal message is windows way of saying boot.ini missing.
2. Go into your bios and change the boot order of your devices so that your dvd drive is on top or better yet if you have a floppydisk download a windows xp bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com.
3. If you are going to boot of your DVD then DONOT NOT NOT NOT reinstall, go to recovery console and fix the boot.ini from the command prompt.

Malixu
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:02:00 - [1205]
 

Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
I don't really see why compensation should be given for something that at worst takes a few hours to fix(if it takes you that long to find a friend with a copy of XP, or to make some 'geeky' friends ;) )


Because my time is expensive?

I'm doing a full time job, part time degree, and am involved with various things RL that take up time as well. I don't get a lot of free time...

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:02:00 - [1206]
 

Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 06/12/2007 16:56:11
Great - my pc boots to a black screen and a statement that i am missing "hal.dll" file.

PC wont boot from my DVD drive, so i am struggling to work out how i am gonna get my pc to run. Im just glad i have my sisters spare computer to vent my utter frustration.Mad

P.S If anyone has any idea how to boot from DVD drive i would apprciate it - i tried the f6 option mentioned above but it does absolutly nothing.

P.P.S i would use my dusty old vista upgrade disc but....wont work either...Rolling Eyes


Your computer will look at drives (Hard discs/DVD etc) in a order. this is set in the computer BIOS. Ready up on your particular BIOS from your mobo/computer supplier as to how to get into it and change said order. Generaly its usualy case of holding the escape key or F1 or F2 or DEL key upon initial boot and then going to the boot order. You need the DVD at the top of the list and can leave it there as if no disc it will boot from the Harddisc next - as per order. Have good read and get familiar with what is taking place and you will come away from this a better man.

Shout if your stuck - lots of great people here keen to bury this SNAFU.


Thaneal Swiftbird
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:04:00 - [1207]
 

@CCP Atropos (or anyone else from CCP reading this):

Could you please add a few lines to your official informations for those who already reinstalled their systems (because they didnīt know better or whatever) and lost data?

I think its only reasonable to at least guide people who have lost important data to the idea that "formatted" does not automatically mean "lost forever". In some cases it might be a viable option to try a recovery!

45thTiger 002
45th TIGERS
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:04:00 - [1208]
 

Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
Originally by: Cordova
What about Vista users?

Vista does not use boot.ini you are fine


Well it took me 1 hr to find the damn CD (Media Edition), 6 mins to boot to BIOS and change my start up sequence, 16 mins for it to find the partition and make a new boot.ini, 7 hrs to read this forum thread and 3 cartons of beer to get the courage to reboot. I have 7 eve accounts, I hope I dont get any bills this month :p

But at least I have survived what is being called the worst patch in the history of gaming.

ICE Blade
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 - [1209]
 

Listen guys ccp have not wiped you HDs if you were effected, only deleted one file you just need to put your HD as a slave on another PC and add the file or use you windows disk and go into recovery console and replace the missing file. PS Don't sue them as they might go down and we can't play anymore and might have to play WoW noooooooooooooooooo Very Happy

Malixu
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 - [1210]
 

Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks


Ask around, there will almost certainly be other EVE players, and probably some of them will have a Windows CD handy you can borrow. Failing that, you can fix boot.ini from Linux, it's just not pretty... possibly find the nearest geek and offer to buy them a drink/cookies if they'll fix it for you?

Wayez
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 - [1211]
 

Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks


Find a mate with another windows machine.
Take your harddrive out, piggy back your harddrive as a slave on your mates machine, and replace the ini file.

There you have it, one repaired drive.


Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 - [1212]
 

Edited by: Zel Nughat on 06/12/2007 17:07:40
Ok, i have uploaded a solution into my server for those that cannot boot his system at all, download bootntfs image diskette uncompress the file execute the content to make a floppy that will be able to access your ntfs disk drive, then copy the boot.ini file contained in there to your c:\

exe is a winimage executable hope it helps, remember your file system will be in d:\ (only while you are using the diskette that is) after booting with the diskette

regards

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 - [1213]
 

Originally by: Malixu
Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
I don't really see why compensation should be given for something that at worst takes a few hours to fix(if it takes you that long to find a friend with a copy of XP, or to make some 'geeky' friends ;) )


Because my time is expensive?

I'm doing a full time job, part time degree, and am involved with various things RL that take up time as well. I don't get a lot of free time...

If you have enough time to play EVE, you have enough time to fix this.

REALITY X
Dark Matter Commodities
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 - [1214]
 

Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: REALITY X
Well, I am semi-computer illiterate, and I have no idea what to do now. I'm just lucky I didn't turn my computer off before going to bed like I usually do.

I downloaded the "winxpboot.ini" file to C:\, renamed it to "boot.ini", went into msconfig and clicked on the "boot.ini" tab and then selected "Check all boot paths". At this point, I keep getting a "System Configuration Utility" error message which closes everything before the next steps can be done.

Is it okay that I just have this renamed file in C:\? Will I be able to restart my PC with no problems?


No you are not fine. Most likely the partition cant be found, change partition(1) to partition(2) and try again if that doesnt work try 3, rinse repeat untill msconfig runs without an error and validates your boot entries.



I appreciate your attempt to help, but I'm not so sure what part of "semi-computer illiterate" you did not understand.

Sapeian
Caldari
The EVE Guardian Angels
DeepSpace Initiative
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 - [1215]
 

I always backup important data when i install somthing big.
so if there is a chance it could go wrong and it usually does everything is safe.
@ window's users.
Get linux ;)

Gunit Soldier
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 - [1216]
 

Well this is f*cking bull****, one of my comps is messed up for a while. And i am having to read ****ty articles to figure out how to get my Boot.ini back. That is some ****ty patching/programming you guys did. This is just great.
P.S. Does it matter if i ahve no partitions but more then one HD on my PC?

Malixu
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 - [1217]
 

Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Kagura Nikon

The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.



That only applies if:

a) You have a second computer to browse forums.
b) After seeing your computer failing to boot, first thing you do is go to EVE forums using your other computer. That is, instead of checking for viruses or HDD failure. Every time your computer fails the first place you go for advice is EVE forums, really.




c) Have a Windows boot CD to hand, or Linux if you're sufficiently geeky.
d) Your setup isn't "weird", and requires significantly more work than most do. Personally, all I kept getting was black screens, and safe mode hung on crcdisk.sys, somehow this didn't lead to the assumption that my boot.ini file was missing.

Thargat
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:09:00 - [1218]
 

Lulz... you peepz suck (and I don't mean CCP).
I installed it on 3 machines this morning (or yesterday) with the so called faulty patch and I didn't have a single problem (yes theyr all XP ones) my boot.ini files are all still there so I'm not sure who's been affected (maybe only users who run admin accounts and don't have locked bootfiles/bios boot restore, unhidden and unprotected system files and stuff).

I guess there are those of you out there who ain't computer freaks and don't understand jack about software, but when installing ANY software on your machine you should know that there's always a risk.

I don't blame CCP, but I DO blame microsoft... this should NOT be able to happen in XP.Evil or Very Mad


DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:10:00 - [1219]
 

Originally by: Gunit Soldier
Well this is f*cking bull****, one of my comps is messed up for a while. And i am having to read ****ty articles to figure out how to get my Boot.ini back. That is some ****ty patching/programming you guys did. This is just great.
P.S. Does it matter if i ahve no partitions but more then one HD on my PC?


Depends on where you have your Windows install, if it's on the first disk then you're fien with the default boot.ini.

MadDog1
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:10:00 - [1220]
 

I use Windows Media Center XP version and was not effected by this.

Malixu
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:11:00 - [1221]
 

Edited by: Malixu on 06/12/2007 17:12:15
Originally by: Crumplecorn
If you have enough time to play EVE, you have enough time to fix this.


Yes, but why am I spending my limited free time fixing problems I didn't create, instead of unwinding? I don't care enough to start yelling "I'm going to sue CCP", but a lot of people came out of this worse off than I did...

Edit: Point still remains, my time is valuable. About $80, if you count from when I first tried booting, to having a working fix (the majority of which was off on a while goose chase involving crcdisk.sys ).

Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Emptiness.
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:11:00 - [1222]
 

Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Kagura Nikon

The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.



That only applies if:

a) You have a second computer to browse forums.
b) After seeing your computer failing to boot, first thing you do is go to EVE forums using your other computer. That is, instead of checking for viruses or HDD failure. Every time your computer fails the first place you go for advice is EVE forums, really.

Quote:

If you are walking in road and a bird poos in your head you cannot simply go sue people that feed birds around in the area. They might have an accidental responsability. But the damage is ZERO so common sense says this should be dismissed.


If those people have trained the birds to poo in your head then yes, they are responsible. And this patch(bird) has been written(trained to) so it deletes a vital system file(poos in your head).




NO. The first thing you do is:

a) if you are a technology chalanged person you call for technical assistance and any reasonable technician by the erros Windows issue would tell you by phone what to do.

b) if you are not computer challanged you will recognize as a boot.ini failure And will use the windows CD to recover it.


The only thing reasonable to ask as compensation would be the technical assitance charge (if any ) to be discounted in your subscription

DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:11:00 - [1223]
 

Originally by: Thargat
Lulz... you peepz suck (and I don't mean CCP).
I installed it on 3 machines this morning (or yesterday) with the so called faulty patch and I didn't have a single problem (yes theyr all XP ones) my boot.ini files are all still there so I'm not sure who's been affected (maybe only users who run admin accounts and don't have locked bootfiles/bios boot restore, unhidden and unprotected system files and stuff).

I guess there are those of you out there who ain't computer freaks and don't understand jack about software, but when installing ANY software on your machine you should know that there's always a risk.

I don't blame CCP, but I DO blame microsoft... this should NOT be able to happen in XP.Evil or Very Mad




People who patched premium after 4 AM GMT are not affected. People who didnt patch premuim aren't affected.

Commander Prishe
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:12:00 - [1224]
 

Its all the quiet people that dont read or post on the EVE forums I feel sorry for and the people that have 1 PC at home and stuck in Bios and totaly clueless what to do next.

There are people that will turn there pc on today and to put it simply it wont work. To these people nothing technical will be going though there minds just the words "the computer is broken" these are the people that will be paying some pc repair shop lots of money to fix this.


45thTiger 002
45th TIGERS
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:12:00 - [1225]
 

Originally by: Thargat
Lulz... you peepz suck (and I don't mean CCP).
I installed it on 3 machines this morning (or yesterday) with the so called faulty patch and I didn't have a single problem (yes theyr all XP ones) my boot.ini files are all still there so I'm not sure who's been affected (maybe only users who run admin accounts and don't have locked bootfiles/bios boot restore, unhidden and unprotected system files and stuff).

I guess there are those of you out there who ain't computer freaks and don't understand jack about software, but when installing ANY software on your machine you should know that there's always a risk.

I don't blame CCP, but I DO blame microsoft... this should NOT be able to happen in XP.Evil or Very Mad




You are a bit noobish, the in game patch to the new client broke it. No longer can it work its devilish deeds, it has been fixed.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:12:00 - [1226]
 

Originally by: Malixu
Originally by: Crumplecorn
If you have enough time to play EVE, you have enough time to fix this.


Yes, but why am I spending my limited free time fixing problems I didn't create, instead of unwinding?
Welcome to Windows

Smile

mishkof
Caldari
Dirty Denizens
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:12:00 - [1227]
 

Boo - to all the lemming fanboys trolling people with perfectly valid reasons for being displeased with their current situation.

yea - to all the people posting helpful advice.

The worst part is I posted the link to the update for at least 2 people and told them how awesome the graphics were :( Sorry, Rose and Gorthox.

ArmedSolid
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:12:00 - [1228]
 

Originally by: Saru Kada
Edited by: Saru Kada on 06/12/2007 10:41:22
for the computer illiterate, an illustrated guide to fixing this problem on windows XP. note that this guide assumes you have not yet restarted your computer. if you have, that's a whole other story.

** note: all links are pictures. if the text instructions alone are making your head spin, the pictures should help clear up some of the confusion **

STEP 1

hit your start menu button, it should look like this. click on the "Run" tab, and you should see this window pop up. type "cmd" (without quotations) into that box, like what it shows in the picture, and hit ok. you should see something like this. don't worry if the text doesn't exactly match up with the picture; that's irrelevant.

now type

find "" C:\boot.ini

(with the quotation marks) and hit enter. two things can happen here:

a) ---------- C:\BOOT.INI shows up.
congratulations, you're not affected! you can now reboot safely.

b) File not found - C:\boot.ini shows up.
you've been affected. keep reading!


STEP 2

go to your start menu again, right click "My Computer", and click on Properties. it should look like this. note the part circled in red; REMEMBER WHAT IT SAYS THERE. it might say "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" like in the picture, or "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition. whatever it says there, write it down somewhere. we're going to need it soon.

STEP 3

go to your start menu and click on "Run" again like we did in STEP 1. this time, instead of typing in "cmd" like we did above, type in "notepad" and hit enter. you should now see this. input the following lines into the blank space:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="<<<SEE NOTE BELOW>>>" /fastdetect

now, VERY IMPORTANT: see where it says <<<SEE NOTE BELOW>>>? take that and replace it with what we took down in STEP 2. the quotation marks stay; depending on what you took down in STEP 2 the following pictures should help:

I got "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" in Step 2.
"Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition"
"Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition"

when that's done, click on "File" in the top left corner, and on the drop-down menu, click "Save As...". you should see a standard save window; select (C:) from the "Save in:" drop-down menu on the top. at the bottom, type in "boot.ini" under "File name:", and under the "Save as type:" drop-down menu select "All Files". again, use the picture for reference if necessary. finally, hit "Save" then close notepad. you're almost there!

STEP 4

go to the start menu, "Run", type in "cmd", and hit enter (as in STEP 1). in the window that pops up, type:

cd c:\

and hit enter. a new line should display that simply says "C:\>". now type:

attrib +s +h +a boot.ini

and hit enter. another new "C:\>" should pop up again. you're done![Quote]



you my man are a leg end 20 mill isk on route



Ader
Genisis Industries
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:13:00 - [1229]
 

Please try and read atleast some of the thread before posting. Cool

Chr0nosX
Habitual Euthanasia
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.12.06 17:13:00 - [1230]
 

Well I got lucky. My computer managed to boot from C:/Windows/ when my boot.ini file was invalid but I've repaired it now anyway. Some people will be ****ed over by this. I think we need some compensation if no EULA was signed.

P.S. Baulath I love your sig. Laughing


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