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CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:55:00 - [91]
 

Kittamaru < That may be for you but I have now reproduced this on 2 Windows XP SP2 machines.

Please see my post as there may be other reasons you wher enot effected.

This issue CAN AND DOES effect Windows XP SP2.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:56:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 06/12/2007 07:59:06
Hmmm. I wonder if my machine will be affected. I run as a limited user so it's a possibility that I might be protected. OTOH the upgrade did require me to run it as an admin account so probably not. Shouldn't be too hard to fix but seriously CCP - wtf? How in hell does upgrading a game client end up trashing boot.ini?

kaufmann
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:56:00 - [93]
 

well, when will people learn that an
imagefile of the system partition is essential,
every little program or installation can screw your system.

Murphy bites you someday, you cannot hide.

but nevertheless i would say, that this should cost ccp at least one free t2 bpo for all Razz

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:57:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Galvatr0n
Originally by: akakjs
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
I'd like to add "Why is the installer even touching my system files!?!" as well...

akakjs

I second that motion. Why is CCP touching my system files?


Because they made a mistake. They had boot.ini in their old EVE code but not in the new one. So patch deleted this file. The only problem is someone forgot to put proper path to this file and instead of deleting it from EVE folder it removes it from current directory. Unfortunately most of the time there is system file boot.ini there.

Dai Harde
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:58:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Red Panda
For Dell users with a hidden restore partition You may use this boot.ini :


[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

I have a Dell laptop and I've been trying to get mine to check clear from msconfig boot.ini screen but it would keep saying the last line was bad. Then I seen you post and bam it checks fine now. Yep, duh, Dell has that hidden diag partition on it so its the number one partition and windows is on the second.

Awesome thanks Red Panda


So CCP you sending us all a case of some FINE ICELAND beer for the trouble right....or isk :P

Odeweaver
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:58:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: kaufmann
well, when will people learn that an
imagefile of the system partition is essential,
every little program or installation can screw your system.

Murphy bites you someday, you cannot hide.

but nevertheless i would say, that this should cost ccp at least one free t2 bpo for all Razz

I'd be happy with a hyperion

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:59:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kittamaru
I would like to state, for the record.

XP Service Pack 2 should be immune to this... the boot.ini does not appear, but windows should load from the backup. I have re-tested it TWICE now, and can confirm it. Either my PC has self evolved and is able to heal itself, or it works. Period.

Considering I tried it on a second PC, and my corpmates have tried this, I can safely give this a 100% YES SP2 fixes this problem.

And yes, it was a simple typo... how I don't know. This didn't happen on SiSi...


My laptop booted from the backup I'm assuming, since there's no boot.ini but it worked fine. My PC didn't HAVE a backup, so instead of taking the chance, I made a new boot.ini and it's currently booting up fine.

Bentula
Posted - 2007.12.06 07:59:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 07:27:13
Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?

Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.


um i can't im on a different computer.

this is really making me want to quit this damn game. and before you ask for my stuff im putting it in a bunch of unlocked cans in amamake 3-1.


Since it did not reboot sucessfully, you need to use your windows disk to restore your boot.ini file. There are instructions in an announcement in the Player News Center item. The instructions for those who rebooted are at the bottom, after clicking "Read more".



yeah i lost my xp disk ages ago. any other options?


Yes, for those of you without a WinXP bootdisk there is another option. There is the possibility of getting ntfs write support in linux bootdisks, which would allow you to access your c:\ drive and follow the create a new boot.ini following the instructions.

I would advice someone making a new post in the windows troubleshooting section of these forums.

Yokan Daifuku
Gallente
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Tread Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:00:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Yokan Daifuku on 06/12/2007 08:01:29
Here my two cents to verify your boot.ini file is there.

Open a Command Prompt:
Start > Run
Enter "cmd" (no quotes)
Click OK

Enter: "dir C:\ /A:H" No quotes this will list the hidden files at C:\. Look for boot.ini. if it is missing or has a value of 0 next to it you have a problem.

If it is not 0 use the command "type C:\boot.ini" No quotes. This will type the file into the command prompt, if it looks like the boot.ini examples posted in this thread it should be OK (no guarantees).

Edit: Improved clarity.

CCP Mindstar

Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [100]
 

Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:

Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)

+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.


Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.

wolfgarrr
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: wolfgarrr on 06/12/2007 08:04:29
Ok A lot of this is really good info guys BUT

It is totally useless to the person who

1. Already shutdown their computer
2. Doesn't read the forums (See #1)
3. Is a average computer user (See #1-2)

^^ these 3 reasons will cause many many people to wake up tomorrow boot up their computers and not be able to. They will then go WTF?? And some will have family/friends who are computer savvy who will come fix their computers for them

There is also a large group who will take their computers down to a shop to have it fixed.

How this was allowed to happen is beyond me, While i am not advocating CCP Do a mass reimbursement , Explanations and apologies for this huge screwup is something they better do.

Chalk up another black mark CCP ..

Edit.. BTW.. How is a noob suposed to fix their computer etc if they cant even boot their system :P (Basicaly my point of this post)

Pilk
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:

Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!


I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?


I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.

Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P

It's true that if your boot drive is 0:0/0, Windows will automatically attempt to boot it, even if no boot.ini is present. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of? Alternately, if you're installing Eve as a non-Administrator user, obviously, you won't be able to mess about with the boot.ini file. Lastly, one might easily imagine that other software (antivirus, performance-tuner apps, etc.) might monitor boot.ini or replace it should it become damaged.

However, I'm on XP SP2, all the latest patches, and I definitely got hit with this. So, even if your computer is magically more awesome than everyone else's, please stop spreading information that, by and large, even if not in your particular case, is incorrect.

--P

Haclya
Caldari
Dark Wolf Explorations
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: Haclya on 06/12/2007 08:06:00
NVM

Tango Sokolov
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Tango Sokolov on 06/12/2007 08:04:24
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Here is why restarting your computer even with a nuked boot.ini works:

If you have edited nothing after your boot.ini was killed, and you restart, Windows will choke while trying to find the file and call to the backup. It replaces the file on it's own. I AM NOT SAYING GO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.

I however, am on a boot camped MacBook Pro, and am now screwed. Very very screwed.


OKAY! I finally fixed the issue without having to go back a few days and delete a bunch of my new Illustrator work in the process.

FOR BOOT CAMP USERS:

Your boot.ini file should look like this:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

Boot Camp makes an odd partition and I haven't figured out it's use, but that means it puts XP on the third partition. It also requires "/noexecute=optin".

This has been tested and works fine. Follow the normal instructions to creating a new boot.ini file and place the above text in the file instead. I hope this helps, I'm not sure how many Boot Camp users there are out there. This is also exactly like the Dell boot.ini, but with partition 3 instead of 2.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:03:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:

Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!


I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?


I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.

Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P


Service Pack 2 is irrelevant. I have a PC with XP Home and a laptop with XP Pro, both with SP2 and both lost their boot.ini


kittamaru's counterproductive suggestions itt

traderunner
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:04:00 - [106]
 

PLEASE HELP !!!!!

ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot that iv got it right, iv got a file called BOOT.INI and in it is

[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons

is this right ?

Eval B'Stard
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:05:00 - [107]
 

God am I glad I was at work when the server came back up, at least I found out about this BEFORE i did the update.

Major FAIL on CCP's part though.

wolfgarrr
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: wolfgarrr on 06/12/2007 08:05:48
Originally by: traderunner
PLEASE HELP !!!!!

ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot that iv got it right, iv got a file called BOOT.INI and in it is

[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons

is this right ?


you should be fine mate :)

speedo
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 - [109]
 

Hi,

I have let the client do the auto patch (classic) for my OS which is Windows XP Pro 64bit

Does it affect this OS?

My boot ini is as follows after the patch..

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional x64 Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer


CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 - [110]
 

Traderunner.

Yes! That looks right.

CCP Lingorm


C C P
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:08:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 06/12/2007 08:08:54
speedo > You are not effected if you only did the autopatch.

If you downloaded and applied the Premium content then you could be effected.

But as you have a boot.ini then I would say you are not affected.


Viper's Venom
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:08:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Traderunner.

Yes! That looks right.



ok wish me luck in going for a reboot

Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:09:00 - [113]
 

Everyone can *rabble rabble* about this as much as they please, and throw stones at CCP, but knowing how simple it is to make a pathname error in few lines (or a single line) of code from having done it many times myself, I can only empathize with the dev team. I'm not saying that diminishes the consequences of the mistake, but I'm also not prepared to bite off CCP's collective head over the matter.

Get the word out to your fellow players. Let's be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I'm sure there's enough frustration around the CCP office right now without us bludgeoning them with our forum clubs.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:09:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Vikarion on 06/12/2007 08:09:51
Speedo -> You're fine, no worries.

I wish I had a video camera at CCP HQ right about now...

Dumb mistake...but I feel kinda sorry for them.

Apertotes
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:09:00 - [115]
 

tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf Rolling Eyes

Entyce
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:10:00 - [116]
 

FOR THOSE WHO HAVENT RESTARTED THEIR WINDOWS XP SYSTEMS YET:
I have reproduced this issue twice now on my computer. I am running Windows XP Pro. I ran the System Restore program and restored to a previous time/date before the new eve patch was downloaded. The reason I did this is because the System Restore program saves a version of boot.ini when it created a restore point. When you run the restore program, it replaces or in this case puts the boot.ini back into place.

Start Menu>
All Programs>
Accessories>
System Tools>
System Restore>



Robert Lewis
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:11:00 - [117]
 

Its all right here in the patch notes.


Miscellaneous

* There were rare cases of people being unable to load their client after the 2.3 patch. The cause of this has been resolved.
* Several fixes relating to the display of messages in multiple languages have been made.
* Several obsolete dlls have been removed from the client. Note that there is a small possibility that your client will report as having incorrect files in the /bin/ directory as a result of this. If this occurs, please remove the files named.
* Removing of Boot.ini from systems running XP as part of the "Need for Speed" upgrade.

Dai Harde
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:11:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: traderunner
PLEASE HELP !!!!!

ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot that iv got it right


Man I ain't rebooting until the power goes out and my battery goes dead on my laptop. I might make it until January if we dont have any storms...

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:11:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Apertotes
tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf Rolling Eyes

Finally, humor in the mess of it allRazz

Abbala Brutori
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:12:00 - [120]
 

...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.

Thank you so very much.


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